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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2024 8:11:48 GMT -6
I’m on the preorder list. It’s $500. If it sucks I can return it or probably sell it for a $60 loss or something.
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Post by chessparov on May 25, 2024 14:40:06 GMT -6
I'll chat tonight with Uli tonight at dinner. And see if we can $ave you that money. It's at a super budget Gourmet Restaurant. Faux French. Only the best genuine imitation ingredients need apply. (that's how they keep the Menu "half price") And the Master Chef... Looks "just like" Gordon Ramsay.  Simply amazing!!  Chris |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 6, 2024 12:40:08 GMT -6
So I finally had a chance to rack one of these up and I have to say it sounds pretty darn good. The build quality in terms of switches and jacks and stuff is rather shocking for a Behringer product. Everything clicks nicely and feels sturdy and secure.
The sound is also more than serviceable. Having used the RND 535 for a few years my experience with diode bridge is that the makeup gain sounds really cool but is very noisy. My quick assessment on this one (only had a couple hours last night) is that the gain has character but less character than the 535 however it comes with less noise.
And of course it's really easy to dial in but Behringer doesn't get credit for that, we can thank Mr Neve for the usability of design.
Summary... I've made WAY worse purchases for $500.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 6, 2024 12:44:36 GMT -6
I've been going back and forth on taking my name off the SW list, but it's just so tempting.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 6, 2024 12:50:33 GMT -6
I've been going back and forth on taking my name off the SW list, but it's just so tempting. Well my plan was to relegate it to "hero channel" use in my live rig if it didn't cut the mustard, $250/channel is barely above dbx 160x cost. But after one night I'll tell you there's no way I'm "wasting" this thing on live applications. It's way better than that. And the lower than expected noise means I'd even be comfortable running it on mix bus which was where I tried it last night. Having an analog two stage compression before going back to digital could be very useful for my workflow. Pleasantly surprised. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 6, 2024 13:43:02 GMT -6
I've been going back and forth on taking my name off the SW list, but it's just so tempting. Well my plan was to relegate it to "hero channel" use in my live rig if it didn't cut the mustard, $250/channel is barely above dbx 160x cost. But after one night I'll tell you there's no way I'm "wasting" this thing on live applications. It's way better than that. And the lower than expected noise means I'd even be comfortable running it on mix bus which was where I tried it last night. Having an analog two stage compression before going back to digital could be very useful for my workflow. Pleasantly surprised. But it’s Behringer, for a significant number of us that’s probably the biggest issue. They have decimated this industry by blatantly copying the protected IP Of others. Sure this isn’t protected and cloned by many, but even with these new found morals, it’s hard to reward Uli. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 6, 2024 13:58:01 GMT -6
Well my plan was to relegate it to "hero channel" use in my live rig if it didn't cut the mustard, $250/channel is barely above dbx 160x cost. But after one night I'll tell you there's no way I'm "wasting" this thing on live applications. It's way better than that. And the lower than expected noise means I'd even be comfortable running it on mix bus which was where I tried it last night. Having an analog two stage compression before going back to digital could be very useful for my workflow. Pleasantly surprised. But it’s Behringer, for a significant number of us that’s probably the biggest issue. They have decimated this industry by blatantly copying the protected IP Of others. Sure this isn’t protected and cloned by many, but even with these new found morals, it’s hard to reward Uli. Yeah, this is my first Behringer product ever. Literally ever. Even going back to "broke as a joke" days. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 6, 2024 16:00:05 GMT -6
Would be mine too
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Post by ericn on Jun 12, 2024 4:49:56 GMT -6
Can Warm's version (clone) of the B-word reproduction (clone) be that far behind? Not my words, but those of a leading designer in the Pro Audio community (not Paul Wolfe but he would likely say the same thing) "The cheap and rip-off clone market is a disease to the audio industry. Kudos to those who at least try to be something a little different or unique." They will follow the Stam example and do it in a 500 series version 😁 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 25, 2024 11:28:23 GMT -6
Looks like Alto has a bunch. I’ve been trying to buy one through my contact…but something must be up because I’m not getting any responses. I could just buy it from Alto off of Reverb…but I’m wondering if this is a sign?
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 25, 2024 11:48:15 GMT -6
Well my plan was to relegate it to "hero channel" use in my live rig if it didn't cut the mustard, $250/channel is barely above dbx 160x cost. But after one night I'll tell you there's no way I'm "wasting" this thing on live applications. It's way better than that. And the lower than expected noise means I'd even be comfortable running it on mix bus which was where I tried it last night. Having an analog two stage compression before going back to digital could be very useful for my workflow. Pleasantly surprised. But it’s Behringer, for a significant number of us that’s probably the biggest issue. They have decimated this industry by blatantly copying the protected IP Of others. Sure this isn’t protected and cloned by many, but even with these new found morals, it’s hard to reward Uli. My live desks are Behringer digital desks - they're doing a very good job at a relatively reasonable price. I have zero issue buying Behringer, and zero issue other people buying Behringer. I don't judge other people and in return I like to think they don't judge me. I'm rewarding heaps of companies with pretty shoddy track records every time I fill up my car, go on the internet, save or borrow money, buy food, buy power, even the water out of my tap in the is from a water company that allegedly pumps millions of litres of sh*t into the rivers and sea!! It's tricky taking a moral stand when it comes to spending your money! |
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Post by ericn on Jul 25, 2024 12:48:47 GMT -6
But it’s Behringer, for a significant number of us that’s probably the biggest issue. They have decimated this industry by blatantly copying the protected IP Of others. Sure this isn’t protected and cloned by many, but even with these new found morals, it’s hard to reward Uli. My live desks are Behringer digital desks - they're doing a very good job at a relatively reasonable price. I have zero issue buying Behringer, and zero issue other people buying Behringer. I don't judge other people and in return I like to think they don't judge me. I'm rewarding heaps of companies with pretty shoddy track records every time I fill up my car, go on the internet, save or borrow money, buy food, buy power, even the water out of my tap in the is from a water company that allegedly pumps millions of litres of sh*t into the rivers and sea!! It's tricky taking a moral stand when it comes to spending your money! Is it really that judgmental when they decimate the livelihoods of friends companies by illegally copying their products right down to the manufacturers logo on the PCB? Or buying what were once some of the most respected and RND intensive brands & reducing them to me to cheap clones? Or trying to interfere with your livelihood by putting in some of the tightest MA0 policies that you have to spend countless hours with the lawyers just to figure out how to get around them? Hell I had a Midas Banner above my desk, I jokingly put in my will that rather than burying me in a casket I wanted to be buried in a R&R XL4 case! Still consider Danny from Turbosound a close friend ( really miss his golden Satchmo, I hear Uli doesn’t like dogs in the office). You are free to love your Behringer, just remember your on a pro audio board with quite a few who have been around this industry as professionals and I’m going to bet everyone of us has a couple of stories of how Behringer/ Music Groups Illegal & Unethical Behavior has ruined a life or 2. I’ll admit they have gotten better but for those who were chopped up and left in their wake it means nothing. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 25, 2024 18:10:22 GMT -6
My live desks are Behringer digital desks - they're doing a very good job at a relatively reasonable price. I have zero issue buying Behringer, and zero issue other people buying Behringer. I don't judge other people and in return I like to think they don't judge me. I'm rewarding heaps of companies with pretty shoddy track records every time I fill up my car, go on the internet, save or borrow money, buy food, buy power, even the water out of my tap in the is from a water company that allegedly pumps millions of litres of sh*t into the rivers and sea!! It's tricky taking a moral stand when it comes to spending your money! Is it really that judgmental when they decimate the livelihoods of friends companies by illegally copying their products right down to the manufacturers logo on the PCB? Or buying what were once some of the most respected and RND intensive brands & reducing them to me to cheap clones? Or trying to interfere with your livelihood by putting in some of the tightest MA0 policies that you have to spend countless hours with the lawyers just to figure out how to get around them? Hell I had a Midas Banner above my desk, I jokingly put in my will that rather than burying me in a casket I wanted to be buried in a R&R XL4 case! Still consider Danny from Turbosound a close friend ( really miss his golden Satchmo, I hear Uli doesn’t like dogs in the office). You are free to love your Behringer, just remember your on a pro audio board with quite a few who have been around this industry as professionals and I’m going to bet everyone of us has a couple of stories of how Behringer/ Music Groups Illegal & Unethical Behavior has ruined a life or 2. I’ll admit they have gotten better but for those who were chopped up and left in their wake it means nothing. I hear you…and if I had $4k, I’d buy the Neve…but alas. |
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Post by ab101 on Jul 25, 2024 18:52:11 GMT -6
My live desks are Behringer digital desks - they're doing a very good job at a relatively reasonable price. I have zero issue buying Behringer, and zero issue other people buying Behringer. I don't judge other people and in return I like to think they don't judge me. I'm rewarding heaps of companies with pretty shoddy track records every time I fill up my car, go on the internet, save or borrow money, buy food, buy power, even the water out of my tap in the is from a water company that allegedly pumps millions of litres of sh*t into the rivers and sea!! It's tricky taking a moral stand when it comes to spending your money! Is it really that judgmental when they decimate the livelihoods of friends companies by illegally copying their products right down to the manufacturers logo on the PCB? Or buying what were once some of the most respected and RND intensive brands & reducing them to me to cheap clones? Or trying to interfere with your livelihood by putting in some of the tightest MA0 policies that you have to spend countless hours with the lawyers just to figure out how to get around them? Hell I had a Midas Banner above my desk, I jokingly put in my will that rather than burying me in a casket I wanted to be buried in a R&R XL4 case! Still consider Danny from Turbosound a close friend ( really miss his golden Satchmo, I hear Uli doesn’t like dogs in the office). You are free to love your Behringer, just remember your on a pro audio board with quite a few who have been around this industry as professionals and I’m going to bet everyone of us has a couple of stories of how Behringer/ Music Groups Illegal & Unethical Behavior has ruined a life or 2. I’ll admit they have gotten better but for those who were chopped up and left in their wake it means nothing. One of the ways people "vote" is with their money. I do like to use judgment in such voting. For example: If a manufacturer (whoever it is) is using slave labor, for instance, I would not want to contribute to that by purchasing from such a manufacturer. To some extent, almost all of us buy products where the morals of the manufacturer are highly questionable. I am no exception. But Behringer lost my trust big time, and I would need to see some evidence from their management that they recognize their bad past acts and are somehow changing their ways. There are so many awesome human beings involved in manufacturing, I really like to give them the money. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 25, 2024 21:00:37 GMT -6
Is it really that judgmental when they decimate the livelihoods of friends companies by illegally copying their products right down to the manufacturers logo on the PCB? Or buying what were once some of the most respected and RND intensive brands & reducing them to me to cheap clones? Or trying to interfere with your livelihood by putting in some of the tightest MA0 policies that you have to spend countless hours with the lawyers just to figure out how to get around them? Hell I had a Midas Banner above my desk, I jokingly put in my will that rather than burying me in a casket I wanted to be buried in a R&R XL4 case! Still consider Danny from Turbosound a close friend ( really miss his golden Satchmo, I hear Uli doesn’t like dogs in the office). You are free to love your Behringer, just remember your on a pro audio board with quite a few who have been around this industry as professionals and I’m going to bet everyone of us has a couple of stories of how Behringer/ Music Groups Illegal & Unethical Behavior has ruined a life or 2. I’ll admit they have gotten better but for those who were chopped up and left in their wake it means nothing. One of the ways people "vote" is with their money. I do like to use judgment in such voting. For example: If a manufacturer (whoever it is) is using slave labor, for instance, I would not want to contribute to that by purchasing from such a manufacturer. To some extent, almost all of us buy products where the morals of the manufacturer are highly questionable. I am no exception. But Behringer lost my trust big time, and I would need to see some evidence from their management that they recognize their bad past acts and are somehow changing their ways. There are so many awesome human beings involved in manufacturing, I really like to give them the money. I’ll admit at times gear choices conflict with our morality, at some point my love of Canare cable and my environmental views will come to a head. Love the stuff but if I lived anywhere near the plant I’d probably be dead. As long as the Japanese don’t care about the poisonous byproducts I’m fine. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2024 1:04:03 GMT -6
Is it really that judgmental when they decimate the livelihoods of friends companies by illegally copying their products right down to the manufacturers logo on the PCB? Or buying what were once some of the most respected and RND intensive brands & reducing them to me to cheap clones? Or trying to interfere with your livelihood by putting in some of the tightest MA0 policies that you have to spend countless hours with the lawyers just to figure out how to get around them? Hell I had a Midas Banner above my desk, I jokingly put in my will that rather than burying me in a casket I wanted to be buried in a R&R XL4 case! Still consider Danny from Turbosound a close friend ( really miss his golden Satchmo, I hear Uli doesn’t like dogs in the office). You are free to love your Behringer, just remember your on a pro audio board with quite a few who have been around this industry as professionals and I’m going to bet everyone of us has a couple of stories of how Behringer/ Music Groups Illegal & Unethical Behavior has ruined a life or 2. I’ll admit they have gotten better but for those who were chopped up and left in their wake it means nothing. I hear you…and if I had $4k, I’d buy the Neve…but alas. Looking forward to hearing your review of this new Behringer compressor. I’m sure you’ll be putting it through it’s paces. |
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Post by carymiller on Jul 26, 2024 1:22:33 GMT -6
Is it really that judgmental when they decimate the livelihoods of friends companies by illegally copying their products right down to the manufacturers logo on the PCB? Or buying what were once some of the most respected and RND intensive brands & reducing them to me to cheap clones? Or trying to interfere with your livelihood by putting in some of the tightest MA0 policies that you have to spend countless hours with the lawyers just to figure out how to get around them? Hell I had a Midas Banner above my desk, I jokingly put in my will that rather than burying me in a casket I wanted to be buried in a R&R XL4 case! Still consider Danny from Turbosound a close friend ( really miss his golden Satchmo, I hear Uli doesn’t like dogs in the office). You are free to love your Behringer, just remember your on a pro audio board with quite a few who have been around this industry as professionals and I’m going to bet everyone of us has a couple of stories of how Behringer/ Music Groups Illegal & Unethical Behavior has ruined a life or 2. I’ll admit they have gotten better but for those who were chopped up and left in their wake it means nothing. I hear you…and if I had $4k, I’d buy the Neve…but alas. Did you buy one ultimately? I think the price is stellar, even if it's kind of it's own thing Vs. the original Neve it's based on. I also like the sound samples I heard on Youtube (It sounds a bit cleaner, more hi-fi than the old Neves to me, but that's fine). And I LOVE that it's got stepped controls for the price. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2024 1:42:02 GMT -6
My live desks are Behringer digital desks - they're doing a very good job at a relatively reasonable price. I have zero issue buying Behringer, and zero issue other people buying Behringer. I don't judge other people and in return I like to think they don't judge me. I'm rewarding heaps of companies with pretty shoddy track records every time I fill up my car, go on the internet, save or borrow money, buy food, buy power, even the water out of my tap in the is from a water company that allegedly pumps millions of litres of sh*t into the rivers and sea!! It's tricky taking a moral stand when it comes to spending your money! You are free to love your Behringer, just remember your on a pro audio board .... I'm sorry ericn, but that's just a little out of order - at best it's cheeky and at worst I find it bordering on offensive. I "just remember" that I've been a successful professional musician for the last 42 years. This is expediency and yes we all do it. My buying Berhinger products is no different and I'm certain there are very large number of people in Japan who do care very deeply about poisonous by products! |
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Post by doubledog on Jul 26, 2024 7:45:45 GMT -6
I've been using some Behringer live sound products (B112D, B110d, B1200D powered speakers and an XAir16) for the past 10 years or so. Sure, I'd prefer to use the QSC K12's and such, BUT... they weigh almost twice as much and when I have to move all that crap myself, I prefer the lighter Behringer. As long as you gain-stage it properly, it works. Push it and it turns to crap. So I don't push it. I've actually gotten many many compliments on how good the sound was at local shows (and it's mostly small shows where only vocals and acoustic guitar are in the PA so really not difficult, but you know how it goes...). Anyway, point is, they do have products that work and for me, have lasted pretty well too. No issues really.
The 369 looks interesting, but I probably wouldn't use it enough (or the UA plugin I already have)
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Post by Dan on Jul 26, 2024 9:19:38 GMT -6
Well my plan was to relegate it to "hero channel" use in my live rig if it didn't cut the mustard, $250/channel is barely above dbx 160x cost. But after one night I'll tell you there's no way I'm "wasting" this thing on live applications. It's way better than that. And the lower than expected noise means I'd even be comfortable running it on mix bus which was where I tried it last night. Having an analog two stage compression before going back to digital could be very useful for my workflow. Pleasantly surprised. But it’s Behringer, for a significant number of us that’s probably the biggest issue. They have decimated this industry by blatantly copying the protected IP Of others. Sure this isn’t protected and cloned by many, but even with these new found morals, it’s hard to reward Uli. Behringer pretty much stopped advancement into utility gear and better live sound stuff. Drawmer moved onto crazy stuff and Aphex died. They killed off KT and Tannoy. SSL committed harakiri in slow motion and the decapitation never came. Luckily great digital took over but it's not analog and only really available on computers except for the handful of good Waves utilitarian plugs and the old Oxford stuff on Avid venue systems. The clones and emulations hold productions back. There's still cool new stuff of course but the big boys are competing with Behringer or selling to educational institutions.
This is in despite of for audio ICs and clocking getting much better. THAT Corp stuff is great and cheap but how do you sell a super advanced, all in one, analog engine based units to people who don't know how to use a compressor and want to use what Jimmy Page used for noisy 70s DI guitars and what CLA used to make distorted vocals that never jump out of the speaker in those late 90s and early 2000s productions? How do you sell stuff inspired by classic circuits but heavily cleaned up to not be ringing, resonant, distorted, muddy pieces of crap that had to be worked around? They don't even know why this stuff had nasty side effects because they worship it and old productions where the distortion was usually worked around. Then they buy clones and emulations that often defeat the functionality because the cloner has no idea how to use the piece either and why it is usable or sounded cool. Sometimes the original manufacturer is making clones or emulations that are self-defeating. Behringer was just the original cloner and muntzer but was cloning contemporary stuff.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Jul 26, 2024 12:43:20 GMT -6
But it’s Behringer, for a significant number of us that’s probably the biggest issue. They have decimated this industry by blatantly copying the protected IP Of others. Sure this isn’t protected and cloned by many, but even with these new found morals, it’s hard to reward Uli. Behringer pretty much stopped advancement into utility gear and better live sound stuff. Drawmer moved onto crazy stuff and Aphex died. They killed off KT and Tannoy. SSL committed harakiri in slow motion and the decapitation never came. Luckily great digital took over but it's not analog and only really available on computers except for the handful of good Waves utilitarian plugs and the old Oxford stuff on Avid venue systems. The clones and emulations hold productions back. There's still cool new stuff of course but the big boys are competing with Behringer or selling to educational institutions.
This is in despite of for audio ICs and clocking getting much better. THAT Corp stuff is great and cheap but how do you sell a super advanced, all in one, analog engine based units to people who don't know how to use a compressor and want to use what Jimmy Page used for noisy 70s DI guitars and what CLA used to make distorted vocals that never jump out of the speaker in those late 90s and early 2000s productions? How do you sell stuff inspired by classic circuits but heavily cleaned up to not be ringing, resonant, distorted, muddy pieces of crap that had to be worked around? They don't even know why this stuff had nasty side effects because they worship it and old productions where the distortion was usually worked around. Then they buy clones and emulations that often defeat the functionality because the cloner has no idea how to use the piece either and why it is usable or sounded cool. Sometimes the original manufacturer is making clones or emulations that are self-defeating. Behringer was just the original cloner and muntzer but was cloning contemporary stuff.
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2024 13:22:55 GMT -6
Behringer pretty much stopped advancement into utility gear and better live sound stuff. Drawmer moved onto crazy stuff and Aphex died. They killed off KT and Tannoy. SSL committed harakiri in slow motion and the decapitation never came. Luckily great digital took over but it's not analog and only really available on computers except for the handful of good Waves utilitarian plugs and the old Oxford stuff on Avid venue systems. The clones and emulations hold productions back. There's still cool new stuff of course but the big boys are competing with Behringer or selling to educational institutions.
This is in despite of for audio ICs and clocking getting much better. THAT Corp stuff is great and cheap but how do you sell a super advanced, all in one, analog engine based units to people who don't know how to use a compressor and want to use what Jimmy Page used for noisy 70s DI guitars and what CLA used to make distorted vocals that never jump out of the speaker in those late 90s and early 2000s productions? How do you sell stuff inspired by classic circuits but heavily cleaned up to not be ringing, resonant, distorted, muddy pieces of crap that had to be worked around? They don't even know why this stuff had nasty side effects because they worship it and old productions where the distortion was usually worked around. Then they buy clones and emulations that often defeat the functionality because the cloner has no idea how to use the piece either and why it is usable or sounded cool. Sometimes the original manufacturer is making clones or emulations that are self-defeating. Behringer was just the original cloner and muntzer but was cloning contemporary stuff.
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So...after demo'ing it, you do like the Behringer 369? Don't be silly, if people only commented on gear that they had actual personal experience of .... there would be hardly any posts.  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 26, 2024 13:50:09 GMT -6
I put in a lowball bid for a Successor...see what happens. But I should just buy this instead, shouldn't I?
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2024 13:54:19 GMT -6
I put in a lowball bid for a Successor...see what happens. But I should just buy this instead, shouldn't I? Have you ever heard the Buzz Audio DBC-20 diode bridge compressor? I've not heard one - but I've yet to read a negative comment. I've always wanted to try one - lovely build quality too (as all Buzz gear is) |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 26, 2024 14:02:25 GMT -6
I put in a lowball bid for a Successor...see what happens. But I should just buy this instead, shouldn't I? Have you ever heard the Buzz Audio DBC-20 diode bridge compressor? I've not heard one - but I've yet to read a negative comment. I've always wanted to try one - lovely build quality too (as all Buzz gear is) The Buzz DBC 20 is phenomenal but not at all like a 33609/2254, at least not imho. The 33609 has a stronger box tone and different compression behavior. The DBC act more like a vari mu in action. |
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