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Post by Dan on Mar 19, 2024 13:56:13 GMT -6
yes those are very cheap for a pair of three way speakers with amplification. nobody said good sound was cheap. these are physical, mechanical objects. I was joking about relative perspectives, $2k usd is pretty well $3k cdn, not chump change to me: seems like a disruptive market move. Why are other more expensive 3 ways worth their price, be interesting to see , if other product retail prices fall. I think of Presonus/kali as “cheap”? Am thinking there will be a big market, for a set of barefoot below $2 grand, sure not for everyone, but good to have options. the manufactures have to build a larger, heavier, more inert cabinet, ship it, and make money. That isn’t cheap. There are Focal and ATC 2 ways heavier than these. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 19, 2024 14:25:54 GMT -6
Sure, but more expensive too.
Proof, will be in the sonic pudding,looking forward to hearing the actual speakers.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 20, 2024 8:50:29 GMT -6
It’s an interesting 3 way price point: the Kali are the cheapest , now barefoot 3 at under 2 grand, then I guess, dynaudio lyd48’s around $2600?, Adam, Eve and focal moving into $3-4k?, and the Neumann and Atc , amphion, like $4-10000 ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 21, 2024 7:52:15 GMT -6
I had to sell my Avantone Abbey’s for medical bills. I really loved them.. you could hear into the mix, low level detail was superb. They were 2G’s 5 years ago.They were beautifully made too.
Speaker companies tend to have a style of sound. The Barefoots I heard back then sounded strange. Kind of like the sound was being strangled.
I hope the new Barefoot’s are an improvement. I would have chosen the Abbey’s at that time.
Maybe in time, one of the bigger pro audio stores here in Nashville might have a demo of the Barefoot’s. I’d love to hear them and compare them to my memory of the Abbey’s.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 21, 2024 10:08:24 GMT -6
Vintage king has them .
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2024 10:34:08 GMT -6
Man, there’s just no way to really know anything until you get them in your room.
Just as an aside, I was just resolved that the brightish top end (not a bad thing but could be shiny sounding) was just the nature of the Amphions, but it was the DA. It’s just all connected and the sun of all parts…
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Post by ericn on Mar 21, 2024 13:08:43 GMT -6
Man, there’s just no way to really know anything until you get them in your room. Just as an aside, I was just resolved that the brightish top end (not a bad thing but could be shiny sounding) was just the nature of the Amphions, but it was the DA. It’s just all connected and the sun of all parts… Yup it’s a monitor chain, it’s only as strong as the weakest link. The problem is in the world of monitors a quest for perfection has been out gunned by the quest for convenience. Passives, cables, amps and DA’s are just to damn complicated so let’s put it in a box, abracadabra it’s plug and play. How do you know what the weak link is ? We live in a world where the same OEM plate amp with DA can be found on $1000 set of monitors and $10,000 monitors, is it that good ? No, but the buyer has it all. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 24, 2024 11:22:14 GMT -6
I’ll be waiting on my in store (studio Economik ), demo, it’s first batch sold out before they even received them !  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 16, 2024 11:24:40 GMT -6
I’ll be waiting on my in store (studio Economik ), demo, it’s first batch sold out before they even received them ! You ever get these? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 16, 2024 13:05:53 GMT -6
No, first batch sold out before they even got to store and I haven’t seen anything about an in store demo either.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 16, 2024 14:50:48 GMT -6
Supposedly, VK has them in stock...(probably not here in Nashville). I really, really want to hear them, but I'm dubious as to whether these would be any sort of "improvement" over the One 18s...I mean, there's a reason these are $999 per speaker - they're built to a price point. That being said, ya never know till you try. eric as our resident recovering gear pimp, how did you respond to returns? I really try hard to make sure I'm not going to return something if I want to establish a relationship with a sales person. But I think I returned my last big purchase there - hey - it was a legitimate reason. And this guy took over for another guy, so I don't have anything more than an email relationship with him. I'll email him with a question about a product and he always sends me a quote - that I didn't specifically ask for - but IDK, I'm just being paranoid. I'd LOVE to try these out, but I'm 50/50 on whether I'll keep them or not (they'd have to beat out the Amphions). I guess I should ask: is that exactly what the return policy was made for, or am I a dick for ordering in a 50/50 chance I'll keep? |
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Post by ericn on Apr 16, 2024 16:04:49 GMT -6
Supposedly, VK has them in stock...(probably not here in Nashville). I really, really want to hear them, but I'm dubious as to whether these would be any sort of "improvement" over the One 18s...I mean, there's a reason these are $999 per speaker - they're built to a price point. That being said, ya never know till you try. eric as our resident recovering gear pimp, how did you respond to returns? I really try hard to make sure I'm not going to return something if I want to establish a relationship with a sales person. But I think I returned my last big purchase there - hey - it was a legitimate reason. And this guy took over for another guy, so I don't have anything more than an email relationship with him. I'll email him with a question about a product and he always sends me a quote - that I didn't specifically ask for - but IDK, I'm just being paranoid. I'd LOVE to try these out, but I'm 50/50 on whether I'll keep them or not (they'd have to beat out the Amphions). I guess I should ask: is that exactly what the return policy was made for, or am I a dick for ordering in a 50/50 chance I'll keep? Dirty secret even those dealers who encourage try before you by hate returns, the time the lost sale the cost of the time and lost sale and the fact that you now have b-stock to move. Even if I sold something at A mark up take it back and move the b-stock at it’s A mark, I’m still personally losing money on the deal because the A mark on the b-stock is lower. The only good thing about returns is if say Ward takes something back creating B-stock I might become someone’s hero by moving that B Stock at a lower mark gaining a loyal customer because I got him them into something special. Look at all the articles on how everyone in retail and internet sales is starting to figure out how much returns actually cost. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2024 20:33:22 GMT -6
Supposedly, VK has them in stock...(probably not here in Nashville). I really, really want to hear them, but I'm dubious as to whether these would be any sort of "improvement" over the One 18s...I mean, there's a reason these are $999 per speaker - they're built to a price point. That being said, ya never know till you try. eric as our resident recovering gear pimp, how did you respond to returns? I really try hard to make sure I'm not going to return something if I want to establish a relationship with a sales person. But I think I returned my last big purchase there - hey - it was a legitimate reason. And this guy took over for another guy, so I don't have anything more than an email relationship with him. I'll email him with a question about a product and he always sends me a quote - that I didn't specifically ask for - but IDK, I'm just being paranoid. I'd LOVE to try these out, but I'm 50/50 on whether I'll keep them or not (they'd have to beat out the Amphions). I guess I should ask: is that exactly what the return policy was made for, or am I a dick for ordering in a 50/50 chance I'll keep? if you didn’t like earlier more expensive Barefoots, why would you like these with their probably cheaper drivers and underbuilt cabinets? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 16, 2024 21:21:56 GMT -6
Supposedly, VK has them in stock...(probably not here in Nashville). I really, really want to hear them, but I'm dubious as to whether these would be any sort of "improvement" over the One 18s...I mean, there's a reason these are $999 per speaker - they're built to a price point. That being said, ya never know till you try. eric as our resident recovering gear pimp, how did you respond to returns? I really try hard to make sure I'm not going to return something if I want to establish a relationship with a sales person. But I think I returned my last big purchase there - hey - it was a legitimate reason. And this guy took over for another guy, so I don't have anything more than an email relationship with him. I'll email him with a question about a product and he always sends me a quote - that I didn't specifically ask for - but IDK, I'm just being paranoid. I'd LOVE to try these out, but I'm 50/50 on whether I'll keep them or not (they'd have to beat out the Amphions). I guess I should ask: is that exactly what the return policy was made for, or am I a dick for ordering in a 50/50 chance I'll keep? They have them in Nashville. I checked them out last week. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Apr 17, 2024 0:00:25 GMT -6
Supposedly, VK has them in stock...(probably not here in Nashville). I really, really want to hear them, but I'm dubious as to whether these would be any sort of "improvement" over the One 18s...I mean, there's a reason these are $999 per speaker - they're built to a price point. That being said, ya never know till you try. eric as our resident recovering gear pimp, how did you respond to returns? I really try hard to make sure I'm not going to return something if I want to establish a relationship with a sales person. But I think I returned my last big purchase there - hey - it was a legitimate reason. And this guy took over for another guy, so I don't have anything more than an email relationship with him. I'll email him with a question about a product and he always sends me a quote - that I didn't specifically ask for - but IDK, I'm just being paranoid. I'd LOVE to try these out, but I'm 50/50 on whether I'll keep them or not (they'd have to beat out the Amphions). I guess I should ask: is that exactly what the return policy was made for, or am I a dick for ordering in a 50/50 chance I'll keep? They have them in Nashville. I checked them out last week. What were your thoughts? |
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Post by suicity on Apr 17, 2024 2:26:43 GMT -6
Supposedly, VK has them in stock...(probably not here in Nashville). I really, really want to hear them, but I'm dubious as to whether these would be any sort of "improvement" over the One 18s...I mean, there's a reason these are $999 per speaker - they're built to a price point. That being said, ya never know till you try. eric as our resident recovering gear pimp, how did you respond to returns? I really try hard to make sure I'm not going to return something if I want to establish a relationship with a sales person. But I think I returned my last big purchase there - hey - it was a legitimate reason. And this guy took over for another guy, so I don't have anything more than an email relationship with him. I'll email him with a question about a product and he always sends me a quote - that I didn't specifically ask for - but IDK, I'm just being paranoid. I'd LOVE to try these out, but I'm 50/50 on whether I'll keep them or not (they'd have to beat out the Amphions). I guess I should ask: is that exactly what the return policy was made for, or am I a dick for ordering in a 50/50 chance I'll keep? Said it before, will say it again: For me there's no reason to look outside One18s. They've ended my search. The only reason I would change to another Amphion is to extend the bottom. So either add a Base system, or try the One25A. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 17, 2024 9:22:00 GMT -6
Supposedly, VK has them in stock...(probably not here in Nashville). I really, really want to hear them, but I'm dubious as to whether these would be any sort of "improvement" over the One 18s...I mean, there's a reason these are $999 per speaker - they're built to a price point. That being said, ya never know till you try. eric as our resident recovering gear pimp, how did you respond to returns? I really try hard to make sure I'm not going to return something if I want to establish a relationship with a sales person. But I think I returned my last big purchase there - hey - it was a legitimate reason. And this guy took over for another guy, so I don't have anything more than an email relationship with him. I'll email him with a question about a product and he always sends me a quote - that I didn't specifically ask for - but IDK, I'm just being paranoid. I'd LOVE to try these out, but I'm 50/50 on whether I'll keep them or not (they'd have to beat out the Amphions). I guess I should ask: is that exactly what the return policy was made for, or am I a dick for ordering in a 50/50 chance I'll keep? if you didn’t like earlier more expensive Barefoots, why would you like these with their probably cheaper drivers and underbuilt cabinets? Because… Damnit, I don’t know,…you’re killing the dream lol…but the answer to that is maybe three ways are different? I’m not unhappy with my Amphions - just wondering if there’s something idk I’m missing out there… |
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Post by svart on Apr 17, 2024 9:26:56 GMT -6
if you didn’t like earlier more expensive Barefoots, why would you like these with their probably cheaper drivers and underbuilt cabinets? Because… Damnit, I don’t know,…you’re killing the dream lol…but the answer to that is maybe three ways are different? I’m not unhappy with my Amphions - just wondering if there’s something idk I’m missing out there… I gotta say, 3 ways are night and day different from 2 ways in how they present the audio. Tonally they may or may not be all that different but having a midrange driver just makes a huge difference in details. that being said, I agree that if you didn't like the higher end barefoots, there's probably no realistic expectation that these would suddenly be better. They're designed to a lesser price point and likely voiced by the same folks with the same ears, so I'd expect them to be similar in overall sound to the rest of the barefoot lineup. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 17, 2024 9:45:57 GMT -6
I didn’t dislike any of the Barefoots at all - I think I ultimately just made the decision that it didn’t make financial sense with the big ones and the difference was somewhat negligible so not worth the hassle on the others I’ve tried. Selling the Amphions would be a bitch for sure, though.
Guess I’ve come to realize that constantly trying to maximize my money spent to results ratio is kind of a hobby of mine I didn’t consciously realize I had. I’m always thinking “if I sold this, I could buy this for less and save money with equal or better results…” or “if I sold these two things, I could buy this one thing that does it better…”
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Post by Dan on Apr 17, 2024 9:47:12 GMT -6
if you didn’t like earlier more expensive Barefoots, why would you like these with their probably cheaper drivers and underbuilt cabinets? Because… Damnit, I don’t know,…you’re killing the dream lol…but the answer to that is maybe three ways are different? I’m not unhappy with my Amphions - just wondering if there’s something idk I’m missing out there… All of the other Barefoots are three ways including the Footprints. They're great hi-fi speakers but make raw tracks sound way too good for me.
They don't have two voicings either like Focal (the main ones now are the aluminum-magnesium alloy tweeter and the beryllium tweeter lines) or ATC (the hyper detailed SL line like the 20 and 50and the nice and warm regular drivers like the 11/12 and 25).
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 17, 2024 10:46:05 GMT -6
About to go listen at VK. Hope they have some One 18s set up too
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 17, 2024 11:11:12 GMT -6
Bring yours!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 17, 2024 12:54:55 GMT -6
About to go listen at VK. Hope they have some One 18s set up too They do! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 17, 2024 13:04:56 GMT -6
They have them in Nashville. I checked them out last week. What were your thoughts? I went there looking to check out the Footprint01. Listened to all 3 models. The 01 had the most bass of the bunch, as expected. I didn’t really care for the 02. I felt like they lacked some clarity compared to the 01. The 03 was nicely balanced. Less bass than the 01, but I dug the sound. Never would have guessed they were the cheapest of the bunch. All have more bottom than the Amphions. Listening in the showroom though, I’m not sure if they would help with my mixing or not. Showroom setup is super weird. Couple towers of speakers, shit listening position. I’m not sure if having the added bass of thr 01 vs 03 would be better. Or even the added bass of the 03 over my Amphion Argon speakers. Pure listening, I would take the 01 over all of them, but practically, and for my space, I’m considering the 03. I actually have 2 sets of Argon since I was using them in the studio and at home, now I’m sitting on a pair in storage. I should sell them and grab the barefoot…  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 17, 2024 13:25:13 GMT -6
Interesting: thx! , which Argon ?
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