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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 10:16:39 GMT -6
If I’m going digital out of the interface into another DAC for monitoring, do I have to choose a master clock, or should they clock separately?
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 12, 2024 10:29:33 GMT -6
Yes one needs to be the master, or you can clock both to an external clock
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Post by raddistribution on Mar 12, 2024 10:42:32 GMT -6
If I’m going digital out of the interface into another DAC for monitoring, do I have to choose a master clock, or should they clock separately? They NEED a unified clock source, either one unit, a master clock or the second unit. They definitely should not be clocking themselves seperately. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 11:10:05 GMT -6
Hats the way I’ve been doing it..but noticed it worked both ways and I didn’t notice anything. But yeah…gonna have one master.
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Post by ab101 on Mar 12, 2024 11:59:40 GMT -6
Digital out to another D/A converter - I assume the original digital out is the master (internal) and the 2nd is set to external; or they are both clocked to an external clock and both are set to external.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 12:51:55 GMT -6
This is my path.
Apollo Spdif Out --> Trinnov AES IN --> Trinnov AES OUT --> Hilo AES IN --> Monitors...all clocked to the Hilo.
I'm trying to figure out why I'm not getting a ton of max volume out of the Hilo. In Routing, I can goose the digital signal coming in from the Apollo to get the volume up...but that's going to mess up my monitoring meters, right? Or at least not tell the true reading?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 12:56:50 GMT -6
What's weird is it's not nearly as loud as the Apollo or the Carbon...And all things are the same.
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Post by thirdeye on Mar 12, 2024 13:09:08 GMT -6
What's weird is it's not nearly as loud as the Apollo or the Carbon...And all things are the same. Are you using the monitor outs on the Hilo? Is the rotary control knob up? Is there a monitor out trim that is turned down inside the Hilo software? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 13:28:40 GMT -6
I'm using the Monitor Outs. Volume all the way up as I'm using a Heritage Controller. Monitor Out Trim is all the way up. Digital In is all the way up. Also having a problem using my Trinnov because "Crest Factor is too low..." which usually means volume is too low. Got to be a setting as I KNOW it should have more max volume than this.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 13:29:29 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 12, 2024 13:31:44 GMT -6
If I’m going digital out of the interface into another DAC for monitoring, do I have to choose a master clock, or should they clock separately? Not always. I use an Avocet and Dave Hill's design is that the in coming digital stream is re-clocked by the Avocet, it's asynchronous and so I don't send it a clocking signal. It really depends on the design of each specific model. |
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Post by thirdeye on Mar 12, 2024 14:07:54 GMT -6
I'm using the Monitor Outs. Volume all the way up as I'm using a Heritage Controller. Monitor Out Trim is all the way up. Digital In is all the way up. Also having a problem using my Trinnov because "Crest Factor is too low..." which usually means volume is too low. Got to be a setting as I KNOW it should have more max volume than this. Would the Trinnov "crest factor too low" indicate that the volume loss is from the Apollo? Before the Trinnov? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 14:16:48 GMT -6
I'm using the Monitor Outs. Volume all the way up as I'm using a Heritage Controller. Monitor Out Trim is all the way up. Digital In is all the way up. Also having a problem using my Trinnov because "Crest Factor is too low..." which usually means volume is too low. Got to be a setting as I KNOW it should have more max volume than this. Would the Trinnov "crest factor too low" indicate that the volume loss is from the Apollo? Before the Trinnov? It's usually too low volume...but it's plenty loud enough to do the calibrations correctly - I've done it that quiet before on the Burl and it worked fine. I've had this before when I was borrowing another guy's Trinnov Mic, and it was that the battery on the mic was dying. I just replaced this one and that didn't help. I did see where sometimes the cable or the mic could be damaged. Of course. Right when I desperately don't need it to be. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 14:19:15 GMT -6
This is a warning to all of you that want to make changes. Don't.
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Post by thirdeye on Mar 12, 2024 14:27:36 GMT -6
John, since you are using another monitor controller, could you just use the line outs of the Hilo, instead of the monitor outs?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 14:58:43 GMT -6
John, since you are using another monitor controller, could you just use the line outs of the Hilo, instead of the monitor outs? Tried it...same volume. About to take everything out of the chain except the Apollo and see how loud it gets. |
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Post by drsax on Mar 12, 2024 16:04:37 GMT -6
On the Hilo, there is line in line out trim settings. If those are set too low, you will have a big volume drop. I think I’ve got mine at +22. Most modern converters are set between +20 and +24. And regarding clocking, yes, I find it sounds best when I clock from the Hilo. It has a better clock than the Apollo |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 17:08:32 GMT -6
On the Hilo, there is line in line out trim settings. If those are set too low, you will have a big volume drop. I think I’ve got mine at +22. Most modern converters are set between +20 and +24. And regarding clocking, yes, I find it sounds best when I clock from the Hilo. It has a better clock than the Apollo But I'm using the Digital IN not the Line Ins... And you're saying you bump up your line in volume on the routing page on the Hilo? Any idea why there's a loss? Here's a video of what's happening. After this video, I took the Hilo completely out of the chain to rule it out as being the culprit. I connected the Apollo SPDIF to AES directly. The Top Meter is the level is the Digital In. The bottom one is the Monitor Outs. They read exactly the same. But when I switch the monitor controller from the Hilo Mon Outs to the Apollo Monitor Outs, there's about a 9.5db drop in volume. But what's weird is the meters stay exactly the same. If they're the same, why is there an audible drop in volume. So the video shows the apollo > Trinnov > Hilo Digital Path compared to the Monitor Outs directly from the Apollo. Again - meters say they're the same, but switching between the two, the straight-from-apollo is way louder. I can go to Routing > Digital In > and turn the volume on the digital signal up to +9.5 and it matches the volume from the Apollo...but then I see my Monitor out clipping on the Hilo. Signed, Confused |
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 12, 2024 17:23:53 GMT -6
On the Hilo, there is line in line out trim settings. If those are set too low, you will have a big volume drop. I think I’ve got mine at +22. Most modern converters are set between +20 and +24. And regarding clocking, yes, I find it sounds best when I clock from the Hilo. It has a better clock than the Apollo But I'm using the Digital IN not the Line Ins... And you're saying you bump up your line in volume on the routing page on the Hilo? Any idea why there's a loss? Here's a video of what's happening. After this video, I took the Hilo completely out of the chain to rule it out as being the culprit. I connected the Apollo SPDIF to AES directly. The Top Meter is the level is the Digital In. The bottom one is the Monitor Outs. They read exactly the same. But when I switch the monitor controller from the Hilo Mon Outs to the Apollo Monitor Outs, there's about a 9.5db drop in volume. But what's weird is the meters stay exactly the same. If they're the same, why is there an audible drop in volume. So the video shows the apollo > Trinnov > Hilo Digital Path compared to the Monitor Outs directly from the Apollo. Again - meters say they're the same, but switching between the two, the straight-from-apollo is way louder. I can go to Routing > Digital In > and turn the volume on the digital signal up to +9.5 and it matches the volume from the Apollo...but then I see my Monitor out clipping on the Hilo. Upgrade to firmware 8 or later, TURN EVERYTHING DOWN. Settings > System > Rotary Control Settings, turn Master Out OFF.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 17:38:57 GMT -6
Why would I want to turn everything down when I want more volume? That song that was playing was straight out of iTunes
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 12, 2024 17:49:51 GMT -6
Hmmm....first of all, good choice on the Kurt Elling. I would eliminate some variables? Maybe take the Trinnov out of the equation? When I used to run Sonarworks, it would change the volume. Do you have the Lynx mixer for the computer? That do have levels for every out on there. It's a possibility that it's turned down. Maybe try going Lynx just out to your monitors as well. No monitor controller just to see?
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 12, 2024 18:01:43 GMT -6
Why would I want to turn everything down when I want more volume? That song that was playing was straight out of Pro Tools. So you don't get a sudden blast of volume, just turn it up when you've done it. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 18:02:37 GMT -6
Hmmm....first of all, good choice on the Kurt Elling. I would eliminate some variables? Maybe take the Trinnov out of the equation? When I used to run Sonarworks, it would change the volume. Do you have the Lynx mixer for the computer? That do have levels for every out on there. It's a possibility that it's turned down. Maybe try going Lynx just out to your monitors as well. No monitor controller just to see? Gregory Porter  |
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 12, 2024 18:09:22 GMT -6
No way! Sounded like Kurt Elling!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2024 18:32:54 GMT -6
Hmmm....first of all, good choice on the Kurt Elling. I would eliminate some variables? Maybe take the Trinnov out of the equation? When I used to run Sonarworks, it would change the volume. Do you have the Lynx mixer for the computer? That do have levels for every out on there. It's a possibility that it's turned down. Maybe try going Lynx just out to your monitors as well. No monitor controller just to see? I swapped the inputs on the controller and the volume drop followed the cables, so it’s not the controller. Not the cables either… the likelihood of both cables having equal drop in volume…most likely not that. Am I crazy? If I’m mirroring Mon 1-2 to spdif, it should output the exact same volume as the Mon 1-2, right? And the Digital In meter says it is. But somehow it’s losing volume in the Hilo |
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