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Post by mics on Mar 6, 2024 3:15:19 GMT -6
Hi there. For the first 30 we are aiming to keep the price trim at around $3500. USD Thanks Ben |
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Post by probably on Mar 6, 2024 3:35:20 GMT -6
so around 5300-5400 Aud?
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Post by chessparov on Mar 7, 2024 19:44:33 GMT -6
Probably.  Oddly enough 5300 Australian dollars is almost the reverse today of the first 2 digits, in US dollars (3500) with less than $10 US difference!  Chris |
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Post by ericn on Mar 7, 2024 21:56:09 GMT -6
Probably. Oddly enough 5300 Australian dollars is almost the reverse today of the first 2 digits, in US dollars (3500) with less than $10 US difference! Chris ( XE) cellent! |
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Post by hadaja on Apr 1, 2024 4:24:28 GMT -6
Bens 251. does look very interesting.
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Post by paulcheeba on Apr 3, 2024 23:01:15 GMT -6
This is the most exciting project I’ve have been looking forward to in years! I am going crazy with anticipation.
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Post by mics on May 2, 2024 21:28:10 GMT -6
Hi All. Here is the new case for the 251. Things are taking a bit longer as we have been trying to balance these with our other orders. Hopefully we are about a month out from shipping the first 30. Attachments:
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Post by paulcheeba on May 2, 2024 21:38:13 GMT -6
Hi All. Here is the new case for the 251. Things are taking a bit longer as we have been trying to balance these with our other orders. Hopefully we are about a month out from shipping the first 30. Looking great Ben, can’t wait to open them! |
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Post by paulcheeba on May 28, 2024 20:01:24 GMT -6
mics has sent me these tantalising photos of the beautiful mic he has waiting for us. Looks like he delivered and then some.
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Post by drumsound on May 28, 2024 22:07:32 GMT -6
mics has sent me these tantalising photos of the beautiful mic he has waiting for us. Looks like he delivered and then some.  |
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Post by crillemannen on May 29, 2024 0:52:38 GMT -6
The body and case has to be sourced from the same chinese factory that made the GAP Elam 251? Not that it matters I really enjoyed the GAP Ela m251 and it looked great, but from the pics i doubt it's made all in-house
Ben?
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Post by mics on May 29, 2024 1:24:08 GMT -6
The body and case has to be sourced from the same chinese factory that made the GAP Elam 251? Not that it matters I really enjoyed the GAP Ela m251 and it looked great, but from the pics i doubt it's made all in-house Ben? I can assure you, this is not a GAP build copy. This is a clone of the original 1950's Telefunken ELA M251 E microphone. Internal plastics, switching blanks and connector sockets are sourced from the same place as all of the other clones (yes all) (did I mention all?). The Capsule (multi chambered CK12) and Transformer (BNT14/1T) as well as other mechanical parts are 100% made in house. The transformer alone is a few hours work as it requires some pretty fancy layering to ensure maximum inductance and minimum turns. In fact, we have increased the inductance and reduced the turns by a factor of 6!! as well as much larger wire size making this transformer a thing that dreams are made of! The tweed case we buy. The Base plate that holds the rails and threads the Mic Body Bottom we buy as this is a cast part and we do not cast metal, we turn and machine metal. The internal rails we buy. The Components are all from our supply of NOS parts as well as one new part (styrene plate feedback capacitor) The Tube is NOS GE, RCA or Sylvania The PSU is a super quiet toroid design that imprints nothing at all to the sound of the mic. The quality of it is second to none. Build time for all parts and assembly is more than 35 hours per microphone (in batches of 30) This is a mammoth undertaking and takes way longer than we would have thought. Sonically, we are pretty chuffed!! In terms of parts made in house; I'd say we make more parts of this 251 than any others do of theirs (except maybe for my mate Dallas) We really have tried to make this affordable and amazing. I hope you all like it as much as we think you will. I hope this helps. |
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Post by paulcheeba on May 29, 2024 3:57:43 GMT -6
The body and case has to be sourced from the same chinese factory that made the GAP Elam 251? Not that it matters I really enjoyed the GAP Ela m251 and it looked great, but from the pics i doubt it's made all in-house Ben? I think you can tell just by looking at the body that the quality is much more solid than the GAP. The internal build looks much more artisan too. The fact it’s half the price and it has a proper ck12 and nos parts are obvious by looking at it too. As Ben says the plastics look like the Flea which is a good build so I think we’re on to something really special here especially for the price. |
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Post by crillemannen on May 29, 2024 4:16:23 GMT -6
The body and case has to be sourced from the same chinese factory that made the GAP Elam 251? Not that it matters I really enjoyed the GAP Ela m251 and it looked great, but from the pics i doubt it's made all in-house Ben? I think you can tell just by looking at the body that the quality is much more solid than the GAP. The internal build looks much more artisan too. The fact it’s half the price and it has a proper ck12 and nos parts are obvious by looking at it too. As Ben says the plastics look like the Flea which is a good build so I think we’re on to something really special here especially for the price. It is the same Paul. It even has the same weird screws that the GAP has/had on the plastic intervals. I'm not sure why you bash the GAP though. I had an original side by side at my place and it was spot on, cosmetically. The only thing that wasn't a 100% Match was the headgrill, still looked good. And to be clear, I'm not saying that Beeznez/Ben has been dishonest or anything like that. I think you should be smart when you source certain parts. It's still the sum of all parts that makes the mic. |
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Post by mics on May 29, 2024 4:32:52 GMT -6
I think you can tell just by looking at the body that the quality is much more solid than the GAP. The internal build looks much more artisan too. The fact it’s half the price and it has a proper ck12 and nos parts are obvious by looking at it too. As Ben says the plastics look like the Flea which is a good build so I think we’re on to something really special here especially for the price. It is the same Paul. It even has the same weird screws that the GAP has/had on the plastic intervals. I'm not sure why you bash the GAP though. I had an original side by side at my place and it was spot on, cosmetically. The only thing that wasn't a 100% Match was the headgrill, still looked good. And to be clear, I'm not saying that Beeznez/Ben has been dishonest or anything like that. I think you should be smart when you source certain parts. It's still the sum of all parts that makes the mic. Sorry what screws? The one pictured hasn’t had the halves screwed together. We don’t do that until we know the tube is quiet. |
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Post by mics on May 29, 2024 4:46:43 GMT -6
Tele USA
Heiserman
Flea
Gap
BeesNeez
All have the same internal plastics!
Cheers
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Post by thehightenor on May 29, 2024 5:36:59 GMT -6
Funky Junk sell Beezneez 35% more than the Beezneez website - UK import costs are significant. That would make this mic about £3750! (7180 Aud) Not cheap, but I suppose reasonable for a 251 if it's truly stunning. |
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Post by ericn on May 29, 2024 7:45:20 GMT -6
Tele USA Heiserman Flea Gap BeesNeez All have the same internal plastics! Cheers I kind of have to say. Umm what’s the word , oh yeah duh😁. It makes sense if someone is doing it right for the right price why invest in doing it yourself? I mean if we extend the concept if everyone has to have custom parts your going to have to start making your own resistors! |
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Post by paulcheeba on May 29, 2024 10:02:56 GMT -6
It is the same Paul. It even has the same weird screws that the GAP has/had on the plastic intervals. I'm not sure why you bash the GAP though. I had an original side by side at my place and it was spot on, cosmetically. The only thing that wasn't a 100% Match was the headgrill, still looked good. And to be clear, I'm not saying that Beeznez/Ben has been dishonest or anything like that. I think you should be smart when you source certain parts. It's still the sum of all parts that makes the mic. Sorry what screws? The one pictured hasn’t had the halves screwed together. We don’t do that until we know the tube is quiet. I had a demo of the GAP of both qualities and it feels cheap. You have held enough quality to know this. It has a 67 capsule and screws that make difficult to undo. The Flea, Heiserman, Upton and the GAP are in the same price range but the same price buys you pair of the BN251 and I like to purchase pairs for drums. Plus I like the Beesneez capsules the most as they sound so close to 60’s AKG. |
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Post by crillemannen on May 29, 2024 10:19:56 GMT -6
Sorry what screws? The one pictured hasn’t had the halves screwed together. We don’t do that until we know the tube is quiet. I had a demo of the GAP of both qualities and it feels cheap. You have held enough quality to know this. It has a 67 capsule and screws that make difficult to undo. The Flea, Heiserman, Upton and the GAP are in the same price range but the same price buys you pair of the BN251 and I like to purchase pairs for drums. Plus I like the Beesneez capsules the most as they sound so close to 60’s AKG. My point is that Ben is sourcing the body and internals and case from the same manufacturer and now you're all praise. Of course it will have custom internals which will make it into a completely different sounding mic. If you disliked the sound of the GAP that's fine but to say that the mic looked cheap that is not true at all. The case and the PSU was pretty standard and perhaps a bit subpar to the asking price but the mic really looked great and also in my opinion sounded really good, K67 or not. Back to Ben's mic. I would love to try out some Beeznes mics just because you have been praising them. |
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Post by mcirish on May 29, 2024 10:42:35 GMT -6
I love the B67-269 mics I have. I use them often. I'd love to be able to grab one of these 251's before they run out. I've just been spending way too much lately on monitors and a studio rebuild. It all gets very costly.
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Post by paulcheeba on May 29, 2024 23:05:00 GMT -6
I had a demo of the GAP of both qualities and it feels cheap. You have held enough quality to know this. It has a 67 capsule and screws that make difficult to undo. The Flea, Heiserman, Upton and the GAP are in the same price range but the same price buys you pair of the BN251 and I like to purchase pairs for drums. Plus I like the Beesneez capsules the most as they sound so close to 60’s AKG. My point is that Ben is sourcing the body and internals and case from the same manufacturer and now you're all praise. Of course it will have custom internals which will make it into a completely different sounding mic. If you disliked the sound of the GAP that's fine but to say that the mic looked cheap that is not true at all. The case and the PSU was pretty standard and perhaps a bit subpar to the asking price but the mic really looked great and also in my opinion sounded really good, K67 or not. Back to Ben's mic. I would love to try out some Beeznes mics just because you have been praising them. Completely untrue. The GAP bodies do not have the heavy brass feel of a decent microphone. Cosmetics are not the same as materials. Even the Aliexpress bodies feel more solid. Stop trying to claim they were made in the same factory. Ben does his own metal work and real CK12 capsules. I’m not hating on GAP I think Bo does some good products for the price. Others not so so much and it’s just the truth. |
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Post by paulcheeba on May 31, 2024 20:45:43 GMT -6
Interesting point raised on the purple site. Calling a top end 47 clone a Tribute 1 is confusing when people are skimming through. With the advent of the BN251 would it be more sales friendly to use titles like BN47 etc? With so many mics out there now I feel we have to cut to the chase. Thoughts?
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Post by seawell on May 31, 2024 21:38:24 GMT -6
Interesting point raised on the purple site. Calling a top end 47 clone a Tribute 1 is confusing when people are skimming through. With the advent of the BN251 would it be more sales friendly to use titles like BN47 etc? With so many mics out there now I feel we have to cut to the chase. Thoughts? I haven’t gotten a chance to try one yet but there is a BU47: beesneezproaudio.com/product/clone-u47/I did use a Tribute 1 on a couple of sessions a few years back & it was gorgeous! |
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Post by wmlang on Jun 1, 2024 8:36:17 GMT -6
Interesting point raised on the purple site. Calling a top end 47 clone a Tribute 1 is confusing when people are skimming through. With the advent of the BN251 would it be more sales friendly to use titles like BN47 etc? With so many mics out there now I feel we have to cut to the chase. Thoughts? I'll 2nd this sentiment and say that the 'Tribute' naming confuses me somewhat even when on the internet reading about the beesneez mics - Case in point I've been mulling over how foolish I might seem coming into this thread and asking those more knowledgeable than myself whether this new 251 is the existing 'Tribute 2' on the site or an updated and more faithful take on the original AKG? Looking at the website it would seem that the 'Tribute 2' has a review going back to at least 2019 which would suggest that it's a different design to the build being discussed in this thread... Going back to Paul's larger point though naming such as BN251 is elegantly simple even if many other manufacturers and themselves using the same convention. (After all the 'Classic Series' uses this same format.) |
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