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Post by bossanova on Feb 10, 2024 12:04:50 GMT -6
I kind of get it. I’m not the dramatic exit type, but at around this time last year I was completely done with recording music from the time being and posted as much. I still stuck around though, and the time off helped because now I’m working on some ideas again with a clearer, more grounded headspace.
if anyone wants to google Dan’s responses on here, he still shows up in the quoted replies as ToMegaTherion, which was also his name at the purple place. It’s a bit harder when him and shadow were both in the same threads but at least they both have very different writing styles. Other search terms include program holds, trashcan, Tupe, megahertz, Drawmer. I guess he was almost exclusively a modern metal and punk guy? I think I’m like some here where he had some really interesting information on DSP that I hadn’t heard before, but a lot of his application was very different than any style of music I’m involved in. (emphasis mine, obviously...) Dude, can I just take a moment to say congrats on this? It really makes me happy to read this. Sometimes we do have to take a concerted step back for an extended creative break. I'm so glad to hear the ideas are coming again, and I really hope they continue. Aw thanks ❤️. My biggest issue was hammering away at this music thing for 22 years, give or take, and never really taking a break or taking time to figure out if I was still having fun with it. The closest thing I had to a lull was sometime before 2013, after that I not only jumped back in to playing but also dove headlong into recording. After 10 years of disappointment with both of those I felt like I was burnt out and done and really needed a break. There were lots of aimless synth jams and hours spent watching wrestling. Now I'm back to doing the weekend warrior thing in a band with some other part-time musician friends, I still teach piano professionally, and for the first time in a long time I'm writing and recording with the idea of curiously experimenting, not needing it to be perfect, and not really caring if a few hundred people or less hear what I produce.😎 (Also, Dan leaving and Shadow coming back in the following response has been throwing me for a loop because I'm a "Danny" in real life as well 😛) |
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Post by ericn on Feb 10, 2024 12:11:11 GMT -6
Well this was unexpected and certainly not what I foresaw  . Firstly I’ll just say, I didn't rage quit (because I'm an adult). It had nothing to do with anyone here, nobody offended me (which is extremely hard to do anyway if you know me) and as I've said multiple times I honestly like you lot. I certainly didn't think at the time a one liner was dramatic in any way shape or form, although sorry, maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all? I was trying to avoid an exit speech or long explanation lol, they don't seem to go down well. Nope sorry everyone, jmoose is the lottery winner here and pretty much hit the nail on the head. I've tried my best but any interest in audio or music has unfortunately completely and utterly died, it's a shame because this part of my life has been with me since I was young. However on Friday when I was supposed to setup my studio again I did the dishes instead and cleaned the kitchen. The worst bit is I didn't think for a second YEAH let's get on with some MUSICC, I thought jeez that room needs dusting . Indifference at this stage doesn't even cover it lol. As I get further away from music I don't believe I've got anything valuable at all to contribute to this site, at this rate I'll barely be able to operate Pro Tools in a year. I have "given up", even the technical side of it doesn't get me anymore. A decade ago I'd happily go into the depths of clocking, converters, circuits, supplies or aliasing, I was into all sorts back then like car engines, game engines, programming, ripping apart audio equipment just to see how it ticked. Nowadays for example I left my Shelford in bits for months, all I needed was a few opamps and to build some leads, couldn't be bothered at all until it came time to sell it then my backside got motivated and in the space of 48 hours I'd repaired it, serviced it etc. My Stam still isn't fixed.. Apologies if this irked anyone, that really wasn't the intent here. Honestly I like to believe I’m a fair, easy going, rational, simple to talk to sorta person. Also, I’m fine.. Absolutely cool, it’s been a more promising year thus far. P.S John, no I certainly don’t think I’m smarter than anyone. In fact I’m getting a bit forgetful unfortunately. I’m also not really bothered if someone listens to me or not, hopefully I help people on occasion and if I do then that makes me happy. There’s nothing more to it. P.P.S After some of the shit I’ve put up with over the last couple of years I’m certainly not “thin skinned” or a bitch. LMAO, it did honestly make me laugh though. P.P.P.S I appreciate you letting me back in to explain. P.P.P.P.S No, I’m a different Dan.. I’ve got a different face and everything. P.P.P.P.P.S The reason to close your forgotten non used accounts is it’s not entirely unfeasible for someone to compromise it, get your email address, find a target, compromise your email, get some pertinent information and take out several phone contracts in your name or take your card for a spin. It’s happened to me, more than once.. Also I paid online at a large music store and got my account cleared out, I work in tech and I still haven't figured out how they did that on an SSL secured site. Too many P.S’s to count, perspective is a funny thing and hindsight is beautiful. John I get where you’re coming from and I always look for both sides of a story. 99% of the people here were cool, one or two though in a polite way pretty much called me a nob whilst acting like a complete nob themselves. I’m always here to help so please reflect on that hypocrisy for a moment if you will. I’m sure that epiphany will serve you (as in the few, not mentioning any names) well in the future. Well that reply was longer than expected and I thought I’d just explain seen as thing thread happened. Please, anyone feel free to keep in touch. If you want me to stick around to discuss other geeky or boring shit like sci-fi shows, cars, DIY, renovations, new technologies etc. then I will, no issues. Bro, even if you do give up the music thing, pop by everyone in a while, you have to much knowledge built up in that head, it would be a shame not to share it. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 10, 2024 12:15:26 GMT -6
Holy crap...how long have I been depressed? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you crack-a me up EDIT: I assume you're kidding, but if you're not, you know how to find me. Happy to talk anytime. |
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Post by noob on Feb 10, 2024 12:23:26 GMT -6
Nope sorry everyone, jmoose is the lottery winner here and pretty much hit the nail on the head. I've tried my best but any interest in audio or music has unfortunately completely and utterly died, it's a shame because this part of my life has been with me since I was young. However on Friday when I was supposed to setup my studio again I did the dishes instead and cleaned the kitchen. The worst bit is I didn't think for a second YEAH let's get on with some MUSICC, I thought jeez that room needs dusting . Indifference at this stage doesn't even cover it lol. As I get further away from music I don't believe I've got anything valuable at all to contribute to this site, at this rate I'll barely be able to operate Pro Tools in a year. I have "given up", even the technical side of it doesn't get me anymore. Depression is a bitch. We've all been there, man. During the pandemic, I completely lost all my motivation for music, mixing, songwriting, production, everything... and somehow it just came roaring back around spring time 2022. What I've found is that this mostly comes down to dopamine release, the "motivation" chemical. If you ever need anyone to talk to about how to get it back your drive, hit me up! I'm always down to help. Some things that helped for me: daily exercise, eating better, quitting smoking weed, quitting drinking. Not trying to give you advice here, just letting you know I feel you man and it's normal to feel that way. It doesn't mean you'll never love music again. |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 10, 2024 12:45:39 GMT -6
After my wife died (unexpectedly) in front of me, at my visit to the hospital... In July of 2004, the first 6 months after were/are a general mental haze. More than once, I seriously contemplated suicide. But I strongly felt my life had purpose. And certainly feel the same in my sense about your life Danny. Been a Master 40+ years. Playing for 55+ years. Main value is seeing old friends and making new ones. (Kinda like RGO  ) Gear comes and goes (like my all other girlfriends LOL!) But Buddies remain!  Chris P.S. I just threw on Sinatra's "That's Life". It helped! |
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 10, 2024 13:08:23 GMT -6
Thank you for explaining. If you're willing, I'd like to hear how you ended up this 'apathetic' to music. If you're able to see a progression etc.. Correlations between other circumstances in life? I know firsthand that these things can change drastically over time. It's a difficult one, there's so many factors plus obviously existence in general and the personal side of it which we don't generally go deep into on a public forum. I think the other mark williams is on track though, life can be brutal at times and you just shut down. Although the first red flag was when I'd closed down my customer facing studio and I went into field engineering, I just wouldn't listen to the radio or music. I'd had enough of hearing songs played over ad naseum.
Initially I wanted to be a musician but I went into audio engineering to learn, train and seek the magnum opus of fidelity to aid the songs I worked on but that was a dumb idea. What started out as passion became a matter of critical listening as opposed to emotional connection or fun. I've hand on heart won singing competitions but I'm busy picking faults wherever I can, I find it hard to be objective when it comes to me. Add everything together and I guess it didn't bode well.
About a year ago I got an offer to compose and mix for a couple of Japanese animated series's based on some work I'd done previously, I turned it down. My younger self would have donkey punched myself in the face and said what the hell? Back in the day I was working, going to college studying music / AE / EE then spending my nights earning $30.00 doing live engineering. Ultimately though I think my career has had the biggest impact, too many 80 - 90 hour weeks, generally at the wrong side of the day, you don't get much time to take care of yourself, then there's family, DIY, cleaning etc. to deal with and whatever spare zombie moment you get is left in a daze. Ironically I think I could make a really cool song out of this post LOL..
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Post by chessparov on Feb 10, 2024 13:16:11 GMT -6
Danny_for_real_I had the same intuition... A song (or songs plural). Of course any resemblance to various and sundry people here, would be purely coincidental. Although "RGO-The Musical", might be amusing. "I tell you good people" There's trouble rught here in Great River City" "With a Capitol T" Chris |
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 10, 2024 13:20:46 GMT -6
Shadow,
I get where you’re coming from. I too spent a long time, several years in fact, where the desire to make and record music, sometime even to listen to it, just was not there. At all. I didn’t hang out here that much during that time and contributed less.
But I’m hoping I have finally turned a corner. You may too, in the future. I am just encouraging you to be open to that.
Wishing you all the best, whatever your future holds.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 10, 2024 13:27:53 GMT -6
I wasn't pissed, I was shocked...OK, that's not true, when I first saw it, I was pissed. I thought a "Leaving2024" was becoming a thing. Sorry to fly off the handle. But the exit was mid thread...so it was shocking. As far as burning out - take some time off. Do something just for yourself musically...just start with the sound that makes you remember why you started in the first place. Never an issue John and I take it as a compliment. Anyone who cares enough to get pissed off with me is a good thing, it's always far better than indifference.
Also yes, thank you.. I really do need to find the fun in this again.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 10, 2024 13:42:26 GMT -6
Probably time for us to kick around all the carefree "fun" audio topics like... Summing. Myth or Manna? Hardware vs. Plugs. (Do I REALLY need to $pend that much money?) Importance of Recording above 20 KHz. (When I only hear to 10 KHz) And of course, who can ever forget... Analog vs. Digital? Or how I learned to stop worrying. And love my Tascam 424! Yes time for a relaxed discussion. Chris |
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Post by drbill on Feb 10, 2024 13:43:59 GMT -6
Also yes, thank you.. I really do need to find the fun in this again.
Best of luck Danny. We've all felt that. Since I have always made a living and supported a family with music, I've never had the luxury of leaving it - although I've certainly "looked" for other means of employment at times. I've just never found it. So I powered on. For better or worse. I'm 100% confident you'll find your purpose and meaning. Again, best of luck. |
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 10, 2024 13:59:20 GMT -6
Also yes, thank you.. I really do need to find the fun in this again.
Best of luck Danny. We've all felt that. Since I have always made a living and supported a family with music, I've never had the luxury of leaving it - although I've certainly "looked" for other means of employment at times. I've just never found it. So I powered on. For better or worse. I'm 100% confident you'll find your purpose and meaning. Again, best of luck. Right there with you Bill, I've peaked outside of the audio / video / frontier tech world on occasion and looked at the pay cut involved. I always thought ooof, that salary wouldn't even cover my mortage.. Let's see how Monday goes again I guess.
That's what you get for specialising and putting your heart + soul into it.
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 10, 2024 14:16:02 GMT -6
Whenever I start to get burnt out on music I just smoke some weed and make noise with my guitar and pedal collection or something. No pressure to write or record. Just jam and get in my creative free headspace. It’s really therapeutic. Don’t let music out of your life completely. It’s so good for the soul. Matter of fact, I’ve been in the ocd producer headspace for a few weeks now and I can’t wait to go to a rehearsal or two and play some shows. It’s like a seesaw. Sometimes I need to obsess over breaths in a vocal take, and how I’m gonna get my mix to pop, and other times I get to practice jazz heads on trumpet or take out my guitar rig and blast out a bar. Balance is always key. Oh, and I stopped comparing my career to others a long time ago. It’s called playing music, not working music. So keep it fun.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2024 14:16:21 GMT -6
Also yes, thank you.. I really do need to find the fun in this again.
Best of luck Danny. We've all felt that. Since I have always made a living and supported a family with music, I've never had the luxury of leaving it - although I've certainly "looked" for other means of employment at times. I've just never found it. So I powered on. For better or worse. I'm 100% confident you'll find your purpose and meaning. Again, best of luck. Music is like the mafia...just when I think I'm out, I get sucked back in... |
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 10, 2024 14:19:17 GMT -6
Bro, even if you do give up the music thing, pop by everyone in a while, you have to much knowledge built up in that head, it would be a shame not to share it. Sorry, still catching. Up, I appreciate that (also all the kind responses) and I will if I can.
However on the purple site I used to speak on occasion with Paul Frindle & Fabien @ Tokyo Dawn. If you're respectful and engaged they'll talk to anyone, super cool people. Anyway, I could question them to an extent which would lead to counter arguments that ended up in let me google this shit for a couple of days, map it out on a whiteboard or something and let me get back to you. The extent of their knowledge is just mind blowing despite a lot of working tech engineers experience, they are the sort of people that would really benefit RGO. So if either of you two are reading this, come aboard, this is a friendly welcoming place.
As much as I respect Dan for his insight, sorry.. There's guru's out there that just boggle and you think to yourself. You know nothing John Snow.. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2024 14:22:53 GMT -6
Somewhere between, a blast from the past and everything old being new again: welcome !
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2024 14:30:38 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2024 14:40:09 GMT -6
“just start with the sound,
that makes you remember,
why you started in the first place. ”
well, if that’s not the beginning of a great find your future by looking back, I don’t know shit!
Just start with the look
that makes us remember,
why we started in the first place.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2024 14:54:16 GMT -6
Just reading everything, I know some people get all upset when they get a bad cold, but then they slow down, hit pause, actually take care of themselves physically and get a mental break. I think it’s this change that makes you well as you have stopped the things that were making you unwell. We all have similar stories about our musical/recording life journey. Have you ever heard the one about: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb ? One, but it has to want to change! You’ll go through this in your own way and pace, but maybe life is giving you an opportunity to reevaluate and to confirm what is important to you now ? It may not feel comfortable, at first, but maybe just embrace this change? And please don’t be a stranger here! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2024 15:19:25 GMT -6
Bro, even if you do give up the music thing, pop by everyone in a while, you have to much knowledge built up in that head, it would be a shame not to share it. Sorry, still catching. Up, I appreciate that (also all the kind responses) and I will if I can. However on the purple site I used to speak on occasion with Paul Frindle & Fabien @ Tokyo Dawn. If you're respectful and engaged they'll talk to anyone, super cool people. Anyway, I could question them to an extent which would lead to counter arguments that ended up in let me google this shit for a couple of days, map it out on a whiteboard or something and let me get back to you. The extent of their knowledge is just mind blowing despite a lot of working tech engineers experience, they are the sort of people that would really benefit RGO. So if either of you two are reading this, come aboard, this is a friendly welcoming place. As much as I respect Dan for his insight, sorry.. There's guru's out there that just boggle and you think to yourself. You know nothing John Snow.. See, but none of us here at RGO are smart enough to lead you down a rabbit hole...lol |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 10, 2024 15:21:45 GMT -6
"Strangers" by Dave Davies of the Kinks... Is easily one of my top 10 or 20 songs-period-of all time. Depth to those Lyrics was/is amazing IMHO. Chris Dave's "Death Of A Clown", is fantastic too. You go Little Brother! P.S. IIRC Danny likes Hare Metal though too. |
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Post by doubledog on Feb 10, 2024 15:59:38 GMT -6
Probably time for us to kick around all the carefree "fun" audio topics like... (Do I REALLY need to $pend that much money?) Probably more like, oh crap, did I really spend that much? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2024 16:29:59 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 10, 2024 16:34:54 GMT -6
After my wife died (unexpectedly) in front of me, at my visit to the hospital... In July of 2004, the first 6 months after were/are a general mental haze. More than once, I seriously contemplated suicide. But I strongly felt my life had purpose. And certainly feel the same in my sense about your life Danny. Been a Master 40+ years. Playing for 55+ years. Main value is seeing old friends and making new ones. (Kinda like RGO ) Gear comes and goes (like my all other girlfriends LOL!) But Buddies remain! Chris P.S. I just threw on Sinatra's "That's Life". It helped! Chris, I am so incredibly sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to you. |
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Post by Ward on Feb 10, 2024 17:14:40 GMT -6
Never an issue John and I take it as a compliment. Anyone who cares enough to get pissed off with me is a good thing, it's always far better than indifference. [/div][/quote] Meh Just kidding! Love ya bro! |
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