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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 9, 2024 16:02:16 GMT -6
Are just that…dramatic. So, I mean this in the nicest possible way: If you don’t want to be here, by all means, nothing is stopping you.
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 9, 2024 16:13:24 GMT -6
It seems like there’s two types of people here lately…people that expect everyone to listen to them and take their advice, and who get frustrated if people don’t. And then people who want to have a conversation about stuff.
Maybe it’s just me, but that’s kinda how it seems, ya know?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 9, 2024 16:16:23 GMT -6
It's weird...I mean, Dan had been here for 10 years...and honestly, it seems like he might be dealing with some issues. So, he's welcome back any time. It started with Michael Carnes - and I certainly understand if you want to disconnect when you retire - just thought it a little dramatic to have an "I'm leaving" thread. The Shadowk thing is just flat out weird. No idea what triggered that.
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 9, 2024 16:16:56 GMT -6
WTF? Someone else made a big deal about leaving?
ahh. You just posted it
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Post by viciousbliss on Feb 9, 2024 16:20:22 GMT -6
I like to say that everyone needs to follow their own path and that's what we have to keep in mind. Dealing with people nowadays requires a lot of patience because so many are into denying facts and reality like some MLM cult member. With a lot of subjects across a lot of avenues of communication, I'll share tips, advice, etc. But I know a lot of people won't listen or even acknowledge it. And that's ok, it's what I expect. People I know have gotten Covid or into other problems because they didn't listen to me. It was their choice to make. All you can really do is put your best info out there, give people a chance to hear it, and remember to save yourself.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2024 16:51:42 GMT -6
WTF? Someone else made a big deal about leaving? ahh. You just posted it Other than this thread, is there another ?
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Post by Quint on Feb 9, 2024 16:52:17 GMT -6
I didn't even know he left. What happened? I see now that Shadow deleted his account.
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 9, 2024 16:53:00 GMT -6
I’d like to make a dramatic entrance. Too late?
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by matt@IAA on Feb 9, 2024 17:02:14 GMT -6
“Ain’t an airport. No need to announce departures.”
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Post by christopher on Feb 9, 2024 17:02:53 GMT -6
Well Prince re-invented himself so I hope these guys just had a rough day and come back. I mean, how do you decide “Prince” isn’t good enough a name?!
yeah.. I probably rocked the boat. I don’t know when I do, but I tend to,… so if it was me- god/ I wish every post I make had a disclaimer/ I love your ideas, I simply like to discuss things.
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Post by noob on Feb 9, 2024 17:05:23 GMT -6
I like to say that everyone needs to follow their own path and that's what we have to keep in mind. Dealing with people nowadays requires a lot of patience because so many are into denying facts and reality like some MLM cult member. With a lot of subjects across a lot of avenues of communication, I'll share tips, advice, etc. But I know a lot of people won't listen or even acknowledge it. And that's ok, it's what I expect. People I know have gotten Covid or into other problems because they didn't listen to me. It was their choice to make. All you can really do is put your best info out there, give people a chance to hear it, and remember to save yourself. Interesting point and I have to agree that many people nowadays are very magnetic, both positively and negatively. Meaning, easily pushed towards things they resonate with and easily in resistance to things they don't. I don't know if this is due to larger societal polarization or some sort of shift in the collective consciousness, but it does seem to be happening more often. Sometimes even just mentioning something that is "out of resonance" with someone else nowadays can result in an unpredictable reaction, there is literally a war against or for everything nowadays. I guess the internet was always a bit like that, but nowadays it seems to be in every corner. That being said, I tend to be more attracted to positive attitudes, even when critiquing, judging, or discerning different components of audio. The best is when people with different points, pros and cons of something can come together and say, 'cool I see your perspective and respect that, but also this is why it doesn't work for what I'm doing.' Everyone hears music differently, everyone uses gear differently, and that should be fundamentally understood. If you are rigging up an online ego, all sorts of weird situations can arise and people maybe get a bit carried away sometimes with how they respond emotionally to this type of environment. Humans are weird as shit.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2024 17:15:26 GMT -6
Hope he’s ok.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 9, 2024 17:20:09 GMT -6
He's fine...I guess we luddites bored him.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2024 17:32:02 GMT -6
Now now, we still luv you Johnkenn !
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Post by viciousbliss on Feb 9, 2024 18:13:48 GMT -6
I like to say that everyone needs to follow their own path and that's what we have to keep in mind. Dealing with people nowadays requires a lot of patience because so many are into denying facts and reality like some MLM cult member. With a lot of subjects across a lot of avenues of communication, I'll share tips, advice, etc. But I know a lot of people won't listen or even acknowledge it. And that's ok, it's what I expect. People I know have gotten Covid or into other problems because they didn't listen to me. It was their choice to make. All you can really do is put your best info out there, give people a chance to hear it, and remember to save yourself. Interesting point and I have to agree that many people nowadays are very magnetic, both positively and negatively. Meaning, easily pushed towards things they resonate with and easily in resistance to things they don't. I don't know if this is due to larger societal polarization or some sort of shift in the collective consciousness, but it does seem to be happening more often. Sometimes even just mentioning something that is "out of resonance" with someone else nowadays can result in an unpredictable reaction, there is literally a war against or for everything nowadays. I guess the internet was always a bit like that, but nowadays it seems to be in every corner. That being said, I tend to be more attracted to positive attitudes, even when critiquing, judging, or discerning different components of audio. The best is when people with different points, pros and cons of something can come together and say, 'cool I see your perspective and respect that, but also this is why it doesn't work for what I'm doing.' Everyone hears music differently, everyone uses gear differently, and that should be fundamentally understood. If you are rigging up an online ego, all sorts of weird situations can arise and people maybe get a bit carried away sometimes with how they respond emotionally to this type of environment. Humans are weird as shit. There is a lot going on. The people who wield the power and have the biggest spheres of influence want society engineered socially in certain ways. Most of this revolves around corporations. They want us miserable so we'll consume. They minimize and deny that we still have a level 3 biohazard circulating so that we'll consume. Our increasingly disastrous and polygamous dating market is the result of targeted attacks on women aimed at manipulating them into turning against the men in various ways. As a result of that, we now have a huge industry of shows and podcasts aimed at the 30% or more of the men who have been frozen out of the dating market. And a lot of that is about bringing on women who have very high standards that only 5% or less of men can meet and then letting the audience beat up on them by paying to have the host read their verbal tirades. But the women don't know that these new standards are only met by a miniscule percentage of men or that a lot of this 5% is gladly taking advantage of their new found abundance of options and putting something like 20% of women in polygamous situations without them knowing. There was just something where a mob-connected guy sued 27 women for talking about him on "are we dating the same guy?" right when he got indicted. I've heard other stories of men "dating" someone and then they go on dating apps and can instantly have a woman in their bed the second their "girlfriend" doesn't do what they want. And these guys would go through several women a week. Then we end up with a lot of angry women who think the other 95% of men are exactly the same. When certain people are reminded about the level 3 biohazard still circulating, they snap. "It's over" or "It's a mild cold" and "why are you still wearing a mask". Used to hear that a lot until this current ongoing wave. Now just about everyone who said that to me had to concede that I was correct even if they haven't changed their risk-taking behavior. Denying this made denying other things into a normalized idea. You don't like a fact, just deny it exists. Create your own version of reality. On a lot of social media, long Covid advocates get censored, shadowbanned, you name it. It's in the interest of governments and corporations to downplay all this. Kick the can down the road and see who survives. It's like eugenics. All over social media, it's rampant narcissism. People taking pictures and video of themselves like they're "The Narcissist" Lex Luger in 1993. Zealotry used to be confined to small circles. Now it has become the norm. People who haven't been exposed to cult behavior in something like Amway or Primerica can be very susceptible to brainwashing campaigns. I've already seen people become brainwashed and do crazy stuff like stay at a meeting from 7 pm to 7 am routinely and lose their jobs as a result. It's tough to fathom the mindset of supposed "leaders" who think that basically forcing people to do that after spending thousands and thousands to tour the country at company conventions is a rational idea. Of course, the point was to get you further enmeshed in the brainwashing. This is what we see with a lot of politics too. One side is always leaning towards authoritarianism based on claiming to have the moral high ground, it just depends what year it is. What I've noticed is that people don't really scrutinize what politicians say if they agree with what they're saying. Doesn't matter if it's based in fact or not. Internet groups do become radicalized. We go back 25-26 years ago, and it's a lot of people into pop culture stuff that was frozen out of the mainstream market venting their grievances at the things that were on MTV and radio. People have been prone to zealotry since the beginning of Internet discussion. With our audio, I think we can hold companies accountable without being zealots. If someone wants to use a plugin or piece of hardware with objective flaws, all you can do is present your case. It's on them if they want to invest their money in it. People are gonna do what they want to do. It's often a fine line between a passionate expression and being a zealot. But a strong expression directed at a harmful action is never really a bad thing. Like speaking out against record labels and exploitive contracts the way someone like Steve Albini does.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2024 19:03:53 GMT -6
If, you can make it anywhere, after New York, I think someone unhappy here, will be unhappier everywhere, except inside their head.
Not wanting to participate is just a personal decision, no probs, but the grass here, looks pretty green to me.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 9, 2024 19:07:35 GMT -6
It seems like there’s two types of people here lately…people that expect everyone to listen to them and take their advice, and who get frustrated if people don’t. And then people who want to have a conversation about stuff. Maybe it’s just me, but that’s kinda how it seems, ya know? Yeah, you definitely nailed it. After listening to Torment Saint for a few days about Elliott Smith's existence my conclusion was that he was not only a genius (I was and am still a massive fan and his death was a shock) but also one of the first social network narcissists type people, to a severe extreme. The whole part where he has like 12 or 13 people doing an "intervention" to help him not kill himself was just ridiculously appropriate for the world today. The guy was so beyond gifted. But also never had to hold down a day job. That is a freedom that brings out the best or worst in you, I guess. Side note, cool to hear RGO members brought up in the book. I certainly mean NO disrespect to you. Can't imagine what being in those moments were like, especially the "hold it together with duct tape" parts so the songs could get out. I digress, I guess. ShadowK seemed to have a lot of distracting things going on when I spoke to him over Zoom. Those things can snowball over a couple of years. Deleting your account though doesn't really make sense to me though.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 9, 2024 19:28:04 GMT -6
It seems like there’s two types of people here lately…people that expect everyone to listen to them and take their advice, and who get frustrated if people don’t. And then people who want to have a conversation about stuff. Maybe it’s just me, but that’s kinda how it seems, ya know? Yeah, you definitely nailed it. After listening to Torment Saint for a few days about Elliott Smith's existence my conclusion was that he was not only a genius (I was and am still a massive fan and his death was a shock) but also one of the first social network narcissists type people, to a severe extreme. The whole part where he has like 12 or 13 people doing an "intervention" to help him not kill himself was just ridiculously appropriate for the world today. The guy was so beyond gifted. But also never had to hold down a day job. That is a freedom that brings out the best or worst in you, I guess. Side note, cool to hear RGO members brought up in the book. I certainly mean NO disrespect to you. Can't imagine what being in those moments were like, especially the "hold it together with duct tape" parts so the songs could get out. I digress, I guess. ShadowK seemed to have a lot of distracting things going on when I spoke to him over Zoom. Those things can snowball over a couple of years. Deleting your account though doesn't really make sense to me though. It just annoys me when people delete their accounts…because if they want to come back, they can’t either that same name. At least I don’t think so…then if people want to search, they can’t search by the name…but if you’re deleting your account, I guess you don’t give a shit. Where’s that pod you were talking about?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 9, 2024 19:39:31 GMT -6
Well that's surprising. Lame.
I also don't understand deleting an account. All you have to do is just stop logging in?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 9, 2024 19:41:05 GMT -6
Was there a dramatic exit post from shadow? The popcorn munching part of me really wants to read it. Or did he just disappear and delete?
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 9, 2024 19:43:33 GMT -6
Yeah, you definitely nailed it. After listening to Torment Saint for a few days about Elliott Smith's existence my conclusion was that he was not only a genius (I was and am still a massive fan and his death was a shock) but also one of the first social network narcissists type people, to a severe extreme. The whole part where he has like 12 or 13 people doing an "intervention" to help him not kill himself was just ridiculously appropriate for the world today. The guy was so beyond gifted. But also never had to hold down a day job. That is a freedom that brings out the best or worst in you, I guess. Side note, cool to hear RGO members brought up in the book. I certainly mean NO disrespect to you. Can't imagine what being in those moments were like, especially the "hold it together with duct tape" parts so the songs could get out. I digress, I guess. ShadowK seemed to have a lot of distracting things going on when I spoke to him over Zoom. Those things can snowball over a couple of years. Deleting your account though doesn't really make sense to me though. It just annoys me when people delete their accounts…because if they want to come back, they can’t either that same name. At least I don’t think so…then if people want to search, they can’t search by the name…but if you’re deleting your account, I guess you don’t give a shit. Where’s that pod you were talking about? It's an audio book on Audible (probably elsewhere). Didn't cover everything I'd hoped to learn more about, like left out his time in Omaha, brushed over Larry Crane's role, his session at Capitol (I think?) where he's skateboarding around, plays the Yosemite Sam vs Buggs Bunny piano note joke where the piano exploded and also plays School House Rock "Figure 8". Meandering video that is so fascinating. But the book is a good listen. I just got worn down by me-me-me after several hours and that was a bit disappointing.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2024 19:54:53 GMT -6
I just hope shadow’s ok, emotional pressure can trigger irrational decisions and he has dealt with a lot of change over the last while.
I am empathetic about that I I recall going through my separation, there is no linearity to moving through those experience, traction and progress slips and slides.
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Post by seawell on Feb 9, 2024 19:57:04 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 9, 2024 20:03:13 GMT -6
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Post by nicksteinborn on Feb 9, 2024 20:09:59 GMT -6
I just hope those who are flaming out are taking care of themselves in the process. In the creative space, I'd argue that we're all a little broken. Some more than others. Sometimes things just get a little overwhelming and you gotta step back, I guess. Making a big dramatic exit is unnecessary, but would the internet be the internet without a little bit of "look at me!" once in a while?
That said, I'm ou-- sike.
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