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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 11:38:15 GMT -6
I’ve toyed with selling it all and trying a new approach. Just because I like pain and suffering. I could probably sell the x6 for $1400-1500…then if I charge say - $20/plug, that would be $1200. So if I could find someone that wanted an x6 with 60ish plugs for like $2500…wonder if that person exists? Then just spend $500 or whatever and get back some (native) essentials that I use. Add my Burl DA and I’ve got $3500 ish total to play with. I could get an Aurora n and call it a day. What a pita…but fun. I think. Then you have to learn the aurora n mixer, find stuff to rebuild your monitoring fx if you use the UAD plugs for that, get a real time autotune (hdx maybe?) if people want that (I use reaper on a laptop for that but that's unavailable in pro tools), I don't know I have all this crap in my closet I never use including a MOTU multichannel rig that's a PITA and all these plugs I can only get a beer in a bar slightly better than PBR in a bar if I sold from plugin alliance and others I never use. I use the apogee symphony desktop, the ev omni dynamic mics, krk v because they're cheapish and replaceable in an hour for me and lately the weiss (new toys) and tdr nova ge plugs mostly, sonnox on the mobile recording laptop, and the tdr filter pack and hf limiter. izotope I use a couple of times a year.
I have a couple distortion plugs t hat do a little bit I use a lot but not really necessary and some of them greatly increase cpu usage like goodhertz tupe and how many instances of the fuse tcs-68 tascam plug I need to run to get the signal flow and gain structure I want but honestly I've been using inflator with the curve changed for less distortion, and it gets the crispy nasty metallic sheen and push people like a little bit of without me wanting to kill myself or waste time messing around with another gritty lofi plug. Vintage warmer if they want their voices to break up.
I'm wasting a ton of time here. Bye John and co.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 11:47:19 GMT -6
Recent clients over the past year and bad experiences with certain lauded manufacturers and developers soured my taste for gear, trying new things, and the industry in general.
UAD at least seems to fix the bugs in their software even if they joining other bottom feeders like Plugin Alliance (does not fix bugs) and Waves (introduces bugs you must pay for with WUP).
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2024 12:19:49 GMT -6
Oh well. Guess we won’t be condescended anymore.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 2, 2024 12:30:18 GMT -6
Welp… that’s too bad. I disagree with Dan 99% of the time but did value what he had to say.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2024 12:34:40 GMT -6
No one said you need any of it to make money. I’ve actually stated more than once that I completely understand anyone not wanting to invest in hardware in the current state of our business. This isn’t even a hardware vs plug-ins debate to me. What I am taking issue with is you posting such authoritative statements about gear you have never used. You can’t be an expert on something you don’t have real world experience with. I'm sure it's nice but all of these vintage compressors work the same way where you push them into the part of their gain reduction, input, or whatever where they're program dependent based on their smoothing filter and ratio. Think an LA2A or SSL but of course it will vary massively ime but they're all just compressors that do not let you set what parts of the program will be influenced and often it is an unintended consequence of the hardware that they worked with like the secondary release charging time bleeding into the primary attack low pass that slows down the gain reduction to smooth the filter as the compressor approaches its target gain reduction or will slow it down drastically, providing a sometimes intentional secondary leveling effect that later compressors and broadcast compressor recognized as positive and recreated in an often more controllable way. You cannot control the amount of wanted gain reduction you want beyond a certain point with the same behavior because the amount of good gain reduction where it respects the material will vary with the ratio (or amount of dc offset to push it further along the transfer curve) and attack rates meaning that less or more gain reduction with the same behavior can only be accomplished by re-setting the compressor where the new settings will have a different sweet spot and you must set it by ear regardless of the markings on the meter or front. the couple of knob compressors like the LAs and DBX (way more modern but still a few knobs compressor) sort of make this easier on the user to not change them out of sweet spots where they have beneficial modulation but this of course greatly limits overall utility, reduces creativity in envelopes, etc. they often force you to over compress or under compress the signal and have their flaws fixed by hand or further processing and often this is not as simple as shoving a limiter before the la2a or after the dbx 160. I've had to deal with that multiple times to the point of parallel compressors into limiters and then upward compressors to fix the suck down and pumping. After being forced by an artist to recreate his performance the Old Style compressors had ruined with automated expanders and fader rides, I have soured on things.
MBC usually ruin things if used more than a couple db. It almost sounds like in your face, spectrum filled with harmonics that don't really relate to the original weirdness and full ness to me. Even DynOne, which has the nice peak/rms blend, program dependent attack/release per band, killer sheen but it almost sounds better to me in single band, which I guess negates its reason for existence.
I'm wasting a lot of time posting here.
I kind of felt bad about you leaving, Dan, until I saw the last line. There’s always Gearslutz…I wasted a ton of time reading your posts.
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Post by doubledog on Feb 2, 2024 12:41:15 GMT -6
Still trying to change the opinion of others via the internet even though it's been proven fruitless time and again... what was this thread about?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2024 12:44:37 GMT -6
@johnkenn When I sold my UA stuff didn’t miss it at all, loved my Aurora n, wish it didn’t have sd card stuff and came with 4 pre module, that included 4 converters to so 12 channels, no problem finding plugs for my master, fab filter, Softtube. I only bought UA Signature cus it was cheap and native, after last exchange with Drew, wish I hadn’t bought back in and just got good ob compressors. Think you’ll have trouble getting $20 per UA plug but you never know! I hope Dan’s ok, he seemed to go pretty dark quickly the last few months. I mean really, who criticizes gear, so vehemently, when they haven’t demoed or used it ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2024 12:48:51 GMT -6
@johnkenn When I sold my UA stuff didn’t miss it at all, loved my Aurora n, wish it didn’t have sd card stuff and came with 4 pre module, that included 4 converters to so 12 channels, no problem finding plugs for my master, fab filter, Softtube. I only bought UA Signature cus it was cheap and native, after last exchange with Drew, wish I hadn’t bought back in and just got good ob compressors. Think you’ll have trouble getting $20 per UA plug but you never know! I hope Dan’s ok, he seemed to go pretty dark quickly the last few months. I mean really, who criticizes gear, so vehemently, when they haven’t demoed or used it ? Yeah probably be a hard sell…but that’s still $9/plug cheaper than even my loyalty offer. Would only have to find one person.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2024 12:50:24 GMT -6
So then you need 20 different compressors. So I should keep buying more?
I know armchair psychiatrists do way more worse than good in the world, but it honestly sounds like you just need an inspiring session with some good musicians. They're still out there. It's easy to think as pessimistically about musicians as a whole, but I think it's because so many more people can pursue their musical aspirations now that it feels like the overall quality of players as a whole has dipped. I hope you can find something that makes you happy.
------------ Back to UA topic for a second. Since this is all about how UA is not doing well to the pre-existing userbase and catering to newer clientele -- Are there still crazy deals available or to look out for as someone who is interested in a few UAD plugins? Or is the roughly $30-50 USD sale range as good as it gets?
They constantly have sales , so it pays to be patient, but generally speaking $30-50 per plug is a good range, unless you get a bundle.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2024 12:51:18 GMT -6
@johnkenn no harm advertising and see?
If you’ve got the loyalty offer couldn’t you include that, ie, they include loyalty plug cost in payment to you, you buy the plugs, install in your system, then sell hardware and all plugs to buyer?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 2, 2024 12:57:54 GMT -6
So I should keep buying more?
I know armchair psychiatrists do way more worse than good in the world, but it honestly sounds like you just need an inspiring session with some good musicians. They're still out there. It's easy to think as pessimistically about musicians as a whole, but I think it's because so many more people can pursue their musical aspirations now that it feels like the overall quality of players as a whole has dipped. I hope you can find something that makes you happy.
------------ Back to UA topic for a second. Since this is all about how UA is not doing well to the pre-existing userbase and catering to newer clientele -- Are there still crazy deals available or to look out for as someone who is interested in a few UAD plugins? Or is the roughly $30-50 USD sale range as good as it gets?
They constantly have sales , so it pays to be patient, but generally speaking $30-50 per plug is a good range, unless you get a bundle. So just to save folks headaches in the future about how much they spend on UA plugs. USE THE DEMO OPTION. Don’t get sucked into the coupons and the bundles until you demo the plugs at least for as long as they give you. You can reset the demo time by reinstalling their plugin installer. There are always going to be sales. I promise you don’t need to get that deal right this second. They do a bang up job of marketing to us and making us think we will never see a deal like the current deal ever again. The only thing you get is a bunch of plugs that you are never going to use, or a bunch that you thought were going to be great but are just “meh”. Demo this stuff and only purchase the ones that will make your life easier or will help you make money. I know it isn’t a fun thing to say but if a product isn’t making you money… you don’t need it.
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 2, 2024 13:09:42 GMT -6
They constantly have sales , so it pays to be patient, but generally speaking $30-50 per plug is a good range, unless you get a bundle. [...] I know it isn’t a fun thing to say but if a product isn’t making you money… you don’t need it. Ahhh, but what about the product that potentially might possibly someday make you money if the stars are aligned just right?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2024 13:11:51 GMT -6
Are you really a pro, if you only have 30 verb and 25 comp plug ins, better bring your A game !
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 2, 2024 13:16:27 GMT -6
Famous Buzz Gearhead quotes: “To the pinnacle of sonic excellence and beyond!!! ” lol
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Post by Darren Boling on Feb 2, 2024 13:20:40 GMT -6
Ahhh, but what about the product that potentially might possibly someday make you money if the stars are aligned just right? This sums it all up right here!
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 2, 2024 13:24:41 GMT -6
Dan, stated about a dozen times, he uses compressors to solve problems.
I think that’s the disconnect.
I use compressors to make musical statements of tone and attitude and dynamic manipulation.
I do use software compressor to solve problems too, in editing and mastering but they’re very different types of tools.
I don’t think plug-ins vs hardware is a “leave the forum” moment.
I hope Dan is ok.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 2, 2024 13:30:34 GMT -6
[...] I know it isn’t a fun thing to say but if a product isn’t making you money… you don’t need it. Ahhh, but what about the product that potentially might possibly someday make you money if the stars are aligned just right? Now now my therapist worked that out of me years ago hahaha
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 2, 2024 13:38:03 GMT -6
@johnkenn When I sold my UA stuff didn’t miss it at all, loved my Aurora n, wish it didn’t have sd card stuff and came with 4 pre module, that included 4 converters to so 12 channels, no problem finding plugs for my master, fab filter, Softtube. I only bought UA Signature cus it was cheap and native, after last exchange with Drew, wish I hadn’t bought back in and just got good ob compressors. Think you’ll have trouble getting $20 per UA plug but you never know! I hope Dan’s ok, he seemed to go pretty dark quickly the last few months. I mean really, who criticizes gear, so vehemently, when they haven’t demoed or used it ? Do you still have your Lynx Aurora n?
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Post by seawell on Feb 2, 2024 13:58:35 GMT -6
Well dang...I had no idea we were anywhere close to Dan quitting. If anyone is in touch with him outside of RGO please extend my apologies and let him know that was never my intention with any of it. I feel bad ☹️
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Post by ragan on Feb 2, 2024 13:58:59 GMT -6
I think Dan would argue that he’s not criticizing the specific gear, as much as the inherent qualities of certain design topologies (like tube vari-mu comps, as a category).
But, it’s one thing to have strong opinions - I can relate to and respect that. It’s another thing to need other people to agree with them.
I hope he’s ok and wish him well. I’m sure wherever he is, on the forums or not, he’ll be scrutinizing the hell out of half wave rectification and sidechain filtering and rocking some sweet Tokyo Dawn DSP. 🤘
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Post by ab101 on Feb 2, 2024 14:04:52 GMT -6
Dan - please feel free to come back. We all hope you are ok. TDR wants you back here too!
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Post by subspace on Feb 2, 2024 14:15:44 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2024 14:18:55 GMT -6
@johnkenn no harm advertising and see? If you’ve got the loyalty offer couldn’t you include that, ie, they include loyalty plug cost in payment to you, you buy the plugs, install in your system, then sell hardware and all plugs to buyer? PM’d you
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 2, 2024 14:19:33 GMT -6
I think Dan would argue that he’s not criticizing the specific gear, as much as the inherent qualities of certain design topologies (like tube vari-mu comps, as a category). But, it’s one thing to have strong opinions - I can relate to and respect that. It’s another thing to need other people to agree with them. I hope he’s ok and wish him well. I’m sure wherever he is, on the forums or not, he’ll be scrutinizing the hell out of half wave rectification and sidechain filtering and rocking some sweet Tokyo Dawn DSP. 🤘 That was my only issue with it all. The idea I'm an idiot using hardware and I'm in need enlightenment. Dan, had very polarized views on monitors too (for example) and we completely agreed on that subject and we shared a near visceral hate of Sennheiser (well I don't like them as a company put it that way) But that's the problem with black and white thinking - life is shades of grey. I hope he only left in a fit of pique and will return so I can continue with him to knock Sennheiser at every opportunity :-)
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 2, 2024 14:21:42 GMT -6
I think Dan would argue that he’s not criticizing the specific gear, as much as the inherent qualities of certain design topologies (like tube vari-mu comps, as a category). But, it’s one thing to have strong opinions - I can relate to and respect that. It’s another thing to need other people to agree with them. I hope he’s ok and wish him well. I’m sure wherever he is, on the forums or not, he’ll be scrutinizing the hell out of half wave rectification and sidechain filtering and rocking some sweet Tokyo Dawn DSP. 🤘 Totally. But what he was actually doing (whether intentionally or not, I don't know) increasingly over the past few months was attacking individuals here (without using their names directly) by trashing particular working methods and preferences that people had previously made clear. It wasn't cool - it was bullying behavior.
I too hope that Dan is all right. He honestly has a lot to offer. He does need to be held to account for his interpersonal behavior, though - we all need that for our own growth. thumbsup
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