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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 5, 2024 0:17:05 GMT -6
And who are you who is so wise in the way of science? ”And that, my liege, is how we know the earth to be banana shaped.”
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Post by Quint on Jan 5, 2024 1:14:48 GMT -6
Has the float test been conducted yet? Because it sort of seems like UA is sinking, in which case they actually aren't a witch.
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Post by phantom on Jan 5, 2024 6:45:51 GMT -6
Has the float test been conducted yet? Because it sort of seems like UA is sinking, in which case they actually aren't a witch. Lol. good one. but I disagree about UA sinking. at least, in a short period, I think UA is growing a lot. but they are opening to a new public. a less faithful public for sure. so let's wait and see how this will affect the company in a few years.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 5, 2024 12:46:17 GMT -6
A lot of people on RGO were early adopters of Apollo and built project and other types of studios around the UA platform. Back then it was cutting edge (near zero latency etc) and the company was FAR different. All the old guys and gals that I knew from there are now gone. Because I started that behemoth Apollo thread on the purple site, I met and got to know a lot of those OG's. Bill Putnam Jr. still owned the company at that time and once called me out the blue one afternoon to chat about how I was liking the Apollo. Just study about that for a minute. An owner of a company calling a nobody like me. He sold the company not long after that call. UA has now been taken over by corporate greed. And such as this whole world we now live in. If we can call it living. It's unrecognizable from just a decade ago. I miss the old school UA.
BTW, I still own and love their products. Still use them but I have all I need. They don't bother me and I don't bother them lol. They can do whatever they want IMO.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2024 13:09:53 GMT -6
I've got enough UA to where I didn't even get anything from the last sale where it would have cost me $80 for any 2. If the newer plugins had DSP releases, I'd be more tempted. What would be better is if UA released hardware with either way more powerful DSP chips or with triple or quadruple the number of Sharcs that the Octo has but for $299 max. At this point, I'd rather get some Wesaudio pieces for a Titan over time than to buy lots more plugins. UAD lost some mystique going native, though it's good for us. It just turns UAD into another plugin company in the eyes of many. If they could also somehow break new ground in emulations by using DSP hardware that can exceed the single core capabilities of modern cpu processors, then they'd be back on the cutting edge. Still lots of ground to break. It’s kind of a no-win situation to please all of us.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jan 5, 2024 14:28:02 GMT -6
"It’s kind of a no-win situation to please all of us"
ALSO KNOWN AS... Kobayashi Maru
The Kobayashi Maru is a training exercise in the Star Trek franchise designed to test the character of Starfleet Academy cadets by placing them in a no-win scenario. The Kobayashi Maru test was first depicted in the 1982 film Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and it has since been referred to and depicted in numerous other Star Trek media.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 14:29:47 GMT -6
A lot of people on RGO were early adopters of Apollo and built project and other types of studios around the UA platform. Back then it was cutting edge (near zero latency etc) and the company was FAR different. All the old guys and gals that I knew from there are now gone. Because I started that behemoth Apollo thread on the purple site, I met and got to know a lot of those OG's. Bill Putnam Jr. still owned the company at that time and once called me out the blue one afternoon to chat about how I was liking the Apollo. Just study about that for a minute. An owner of a company calling a nobody like me. He sold the company not long after that call. UA has now been taken over by corporate greed. And such as this whole world we now live in. If we can call it living. It's unrecognizable from just a decade ago. I miss the old school UA. BTW, I still own and love their products. Still use them but I have all I need. They don't bother me and I don't bother them lol. They can do whatever they want IMO. I think Bill Putnam still owns it. They just expanded massively. They have to compete with Waves trying to get money on the back end with hardly any up front and developers whose strategy was sell thousands of copies of low priced, very high quality plugins like Klanghelm and Tokyo Dawn. Waves had to price for their (lack) of quality for a while because their only plugins were from the 90s and early 2000s, i.e the utility plugins and the Renaissance series but their recent utility plugs like Clarity are good. These developers are able to support the plugins because of the numbers. With Plugin Alliance going private equity and just priced for growth before being flipped. Unlike them, Waves made back their initial development cost long ago for most of their popular products as did UA. They're able to drop their prices aggressively to monetize their assets further. You can see U-he do this with the Native Instruments sales and recently a brief 50% sale. You can watch Tokyo Dawn do this much more aggressively than UA. They start out at 50-100 bucks and are often 10 bucks a few years later to sell them to every guitarist instead of a couple of drinks at a bar.
The SHARC chips are underpowered compared to a modern CPU. Weiss saw the writing on the wall and then UAD did too. The Weiss hardware went from 2/3rds of new used to 1/3rd if the seller is lucky.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 14:34:42 GMT -6
I've got enough UA to where I didn't even get anything from the last sale where it would have cost me $80 for any 2. If the newer plugins had DSP releases, I'd be more tempted. What would be better is if UA released hardware with either way more powerful DSP chips or with triple or quadruple the number of Sharcs that the Octo has but for $299 max. At this point, I'd rather get some Wesaudio pieces for a Titan over time than to buy lots more plugins. UAD lost some mystique going native, though it's good for us. It just turns UAD into another plugin company in the eyes of many. If they could also somehow break new ground in emulations by using DSP hardware that can exceed the single core capabilities of modern cpu processors, then they'd be back on the cutting edge. Still lots of ground to break. It’s kind of a no-win situation to please all of us. I think the only way to keep a company of their size afloat is to expand their customer base at this point. Of course this is what eventually killed Neumann, AKG, Mackie, Alesis, TC Electronics, etc.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2024 15:02:31 GMT -6
There are faster sharc chips, UA just decided not to use them.
Think how old the basic card design is: kind of shocking.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 5, 2024 17:20:15 GMT -6
"It’s kind of a no-win situation to please all of us" ALSO KNOWN AS... Kobayashi Maru The Kobayashi Maru is a training exercise in the Star Trek franchise designed to test the character of Starfleet Academy cadets by placing them in a no-win scenario. The Kobayashi Maru test was first depicted in the 1982 film Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and it has since been referred to and depicted in numerous other Star Trek media. Only Kirk beat it. Yes, I'm a Treky
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 5, 2024 17:21:44 GMT -6
A lot of people on RGO were early adopters of Apollo and built project and other types of studios around the UA platform. Back then it was cutting edge (near zero latency etc) and the company was FAR different. All the old guys and gals that I knew from there are now gone. Because I started that behemoth Apollo thread on the purple site, I met and got to know a lot of those OG's. Bill Putnam Jr. still owned the company at that time and once called me out the blue one afternoon to chat about how I was liking the Apollo. Just study about that for a minute. An owner of a company calling a nobody like me. He sold the company not long after that call. UA has now been taken over by corporate greed. And such as this whole world we now live in. If we can call it living. It's unrecognizable from just a decade ago. I miss the old school UA. BTW, I still own and love their products. Still use them but I have all I need. They don't bother me and I don't bother them lol. They can do whatever they want IMO. I think Bill Putnam still owns it. They just expanded massively. They have to compete with Waves trying to get money on the back end with hardly any up front and developers whose strategy was sell thousands of copies of low priced, very high quality plugins like Klanghelm and Tokyo Dawn. Waves had to price for their (lack) of quality for a while because their only plugins were from the 90s and early 2000s, i.e the utility plugins and the Renaissance series but their recent utility plugs like Clarity are good. These developers are able to support the plugins because of the numbers. With Plugin Alliance going private equity and just priced for growth before being flipped. Unlike them, Waves made back their initial development cost long ago for most of their popular products as did UA. They're able to drop their prices aggressively to monetize their assets further. You can see U-he do this with the Native Instruments sales and recently a brief 50% sale. You can watch Tokyo Dawn do this much more aggressively than UA. They start out at 50-100 bucks and are often 10 bucks a few years later to sell them to every guitarist instead of a couple of drinks at a bar.
The SHARC chips are underpowered compared to a modern CPU. Weiss saw the writing on the wall and then UAD did too. The Weiss hardware went from 2/3rds of new used to 1/3rd if the seller is lucky.
No he sold it years ago.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 5, 2024 19:30:56 GMT -6
"It’s kind of a no-win situation to please all of us" ALSO KNOWN AS... Kobayashi Maru The Kobayashi Maru is a training exercise in the Star Trek franchise designed to test the character of Starfleet Academy cadets by placing them in a no-win scenario. The Kobayashi Maru test was first depicted in the 1982 film Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and it has since been referred to and depicted in numerous other Star Trek media. Only Kirk beat it. Yes, I'm a Treky Yeah, Kirk beat it by reprogramming the test behind their backs on his third try! Big Trekkie over here, too. 🙂
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 17, 2024 5:57:13 GMT -6
So Drew has mentioned it should be released soon, but only for clients with multiple hardware pieces and X # of plugs:)
Seems to me UA is just continuing the inequity as it originally let new clients who had only paid a small amount of subscription fees (a few months), to buy ultimate for under $1,000.
So, if you have spent say 3-5 X’s more than that or more, what offer is UA going to make heavily invested clients to redress that huge discrepancy?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 17, 2024 11:09:45 GMT -6
Only Kirk beat it. Yes, I'm a Treky Yeah, Kirk beat it by reprogramming the test behind their backs on his third try! Big Trekkie over here, too. 🙂 Barely made it off Tatooine
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 17, 2024 13:08:35 GMT -6
Yeah, Kirk beat it by reprogramming the test behind their backs on his third try! Big Trekkie over here, too. 🙂 Barely made it off Tatooine hahahahahahah you kill me
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Post by wiz on Jan 17, 2024 14:49:31 GMT -6
So Drew has mentioned it should be released soon, but only for clients with multiple hardware pieces and X # of plugs:) Seems to me UA is just continuing the inequity as it originally let new clients who had only paid a small amount of subscription fees (a few months), to buy ultimate for under $1,000. So, if you have spent say 3-5 X’s more than that or more, what offer is UA going to make heavily invested clients to redress that huge discrepancy? Where did Drew say this? cheers Wiz
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Post by jacobamerritt on Jan 17, 2024 14:59:27 GMT -6
I get ads for UA plugins... and the selling point in the ad copy is 'Does not require UA Hardware'... It inadvertently sends the message that not having UA gear is good, and having it is pointless now.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 17, 2024 15:03:45 GMT -6
UA, yesterday or today, I saw it this morning. It was my decision to sell off my UA stuff a while back, ironically I did it after the subscription/ultimate sweetheart deal and feeling dismissed at UA forum whrn I raised my concerns , but all in, have bought 3 new Apollos, a tbolt card, 3-5 cards (quads and octos, in total like maybe 200 UA plug ins, so like what over 15 grand easy and, of course, the new program is apparently only for: current owners: what have you done for me lately.
I don’t find the forum is what it used to be and I regularly have problems with the uadX plugs opening.
Still like the plugs, but?
i have been curious about what the new Apollo will be like, certainly think one is overdue, we’ll see.
But, If I could drop any major coin right now ( I have a brand new tax problem with my federal government : drag ), I’d be thinking 2 bus outboard .
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 17, 2024 15:06:05 GMT -6
I get ads for UA plugins... and the selling point in the ad copy is 'Does not require UA Hardware'... It inadvertently sends the message that not having UA gear is good, and having it is pointless now. Well you don’t need the hardware to run UA plug ins, but I find the uadX experience mixed, while uad2 was rock solid over tbolt. So , there is that to consider too?
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 17, 2024 15:13:00 GMT -6
I get ads for UA plugins... and the selling point in the ad copy is 'Does not require UA Hardware'... It inadvertently sends the message that not having UA gear is good, and having it is pointless now. Well you don’t need the hardware to run UA plug ins, but I find the uadX experience mixed, while uad2 was rock solid over tbolt. So , there is that to consider too? I’m having zero trouble with UADx plug-ins - what’s the issue?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 17, 2024 16:17:46 GMT -6
They don’t open and I need to reauthorize or something in UA connect, I had thought I have authorizations on my computer, so that doesn’t make sense to me and anyway computer is hardwired to router .
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 17, 2024 17:33:22 GMT -6
They don’t open and I need to reauthorize or something in UA connect, I had thought I have authorizations on my computer, so that doesn’t make sense to me and anyway computer is hardwired to router . Perhaps a Mac issue? On Windows 11 I installed with administrator permission- removed from Start up and I haven’t had a single issue.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 17, 2024 18:24:15 GMT -6
Never a problem with uad2 before , same m1 and no problems with other plug ins, just uadX . so, no I don’t think there is anything wrong with my Mac.
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Post by mrgkeys on Jan 17, 2024 18:54:51 GMT -6
I went to look because I really didn't know and I have 136 plugins from UA! How did that happen? But, I've been grabbing them since the days Mackie did the distribution.
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Post by dcarvak on Jan 17, 2024 22:52:26 GMT -6
UA, yesterday or today, I saw it this morning. It was my decision to sell off my UA stuff a while back, ironically I did it after the subscription/ultimate sweetheart deal and feeling dismissed at UA forum whrn I raised my concerns , but all in, have bought 3 new Apollos, a tbolt card, 3-5 cards (quads and octos, in total like maybe 200 UA plug ins, so like what over 15 grand easy and, of course, the new program is apparently only for: current owners: what have you done for me lately. I don’t find the forum is what it used to be and I regularly have problems with the uadX plugs opening. Still like the plugs, but? i have been curious about what the new Apollo will be like, certainly think one is overdue, we’ll see. But, If I could drop any major coin right now ( I have a brand new tax problem with my federal government : drag ), I’d be thinking 2 bus outboard . Just curious, what are you using now instead for an interface?
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