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Post by drumsound on Dec 15, 2023 10:46:44 GMT -6
It was gonna be fine until the Taylor… Oh, snap Hey, Buckingham plays one live, at least. And on that song, too. ALL acoustic guitars sound bad live through PAs. I love his playing...and yes that sounds like a Taylor. He's always had kind of a direct sound... Yeah, Lindsey has made it work. He had that odd shaped custom guitar that had a really detialed direct sound, which I think worked because of the finger style detail he wanted to portray. Love his very personalised rendition. as to the Taylor; some of them can sound amazingly good and that is his sound right there soundhole plug and all. Ive owned a 714, wasn't enamoured of the neck shape but the instrument had tone for days FWIW. Cheers, Ross Yeah super direct-y. You can hear it (and his awesome playing) a mile away. Exception that proves the rule. That's what I was gonna say, too. Somehow most Taylors sound like a piezo DI even when they'er not plugged in. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 15, 2023 11:49:22 GMT -6
There are definitely exceptions. I have a Taylor 810 (E.Ind. Rosewood / Sitka) that I bought new in 1994, and it has increased dramatically in depth and richness over the years, and the fast, bright attack has mellowed quite a bit. I also find that Taylors (and to a bit lesser degree, Irish guitars like Lowdens/Avalons/McIlroys) are more sensitive to pick choice than Martins and Gibsons. If you choose a thin, bright pick on a Taylor, it'll "amplify" that choice to an annoying degree. But if you use a thicker, mellower pick, the Taylor will often follow suit. There are more thin, bright picks easily accessible on the market, though. Taylors respond well (IME, at least) to thick casein picks. Or other thick picks used more often in bluegrass. The Taylor branded picks actually mate very well with Taylor guitars -- they're darker than most picks.
Now, whether the dude you're tracking in your studio tomorrow who shows up with a Taylor can actually play with a thicker, softer pick is another matter entirely...
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Post by Ward on Dec 15, 2023 12:09:18 GMT -6
He is an amazing guitar player. I've always loved his singing. His singing and guitar playing are extensions of each other and it follows, of hs artistry. He was always my favorite singer from the entire Fleetwood Mac membership. |
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Post by chessparov on Dec 15, 2023 12:46:54 GMT -6
Christine right up there too for me. But then again, I may be more Ballad-dy/Mid Tempo inclined than some others here.  IMHO Stevie's was an interesting "Character Voice". Chris |
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Post by drbill on Dec 15, 2023 15:14:17 GMT -6
Somehow most Taylors sound like a piezo DI even when they'er not plugged in. That's pretty much my thoughts as well.  |
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Post by drumsound on Dec 15, 2023 16:50:51 GMT -6
Somehow most Taylors sound like a piezo DI even when they'er not plugged in. That's pretty much my thoughts as well. And they charge out the nose for those things. |
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Post by ragan on Dec 15, 2023 16:56:00 GMT -6
It’d be interesting to see how many of us could pick out a Taylor in blind listening or (even better) blindfolded playing, since we’re all convinced we dislike them so much. I have that bias, but I honestly can’t say how much of it came from playing Taylors and how much of it was just absorbed from the pervasive “eww Taylors, too bright!” thing. 🤷♂️
I have no idea when the last time I actually played a Taylor was. A really long time ago.
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Post by drbill on Dec 15, 2023 17:37:18 GMT -6
It’d be interesting to see how many of us could pick out a Taylor in blind listening or (even better) blindfolded playing, since we’re all convinced we dislike them so much. I have that bias, but I honestly can’t say how much of it came from playing Taylors and how much of it was just absorbed from the pervasive “eww Taylors, too bright!” thing. 🤷♂️ I have no idea when the last time I actually played a Taylor is. A really long time ago. I can only speak from my session experience, and from personal taste - which is of course personal. I can't remember a single time I've ever had a Taylor win out over a Martin other than as a high strung chimey overdub part. Maybe they were all cheap Taylors?? I dunno. I have heard from someone I trust explicitly that their tone wood - or whatever they call it - guitars are getting pretty nice. I have not had the opportunity to record one. Also, where I live it's very dry humidity, and Taylors tend to not survive well. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Dec 15, 2023 19:22:56 GMT -6
My ‘96 555 12 String is a great sounding guitar. Some of the 6 strings from that time frame I like but the newer ones, not so much.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 15, 2023 22:23:39 GMT -6
It’d be interesting to see how many of us could pick out a Taylor in blind listening or (even better) blindfolded playing, since we’re all convinced we dislike them so much. I have that bias, but I honestly can’t say how much of it came from playing Taylors and how much of it was just absorbed from the pervasive “eww Taylors, too bright!” thing. 🤷♂️ I have no idea when the last time I actually played a Taylor was. A really long time ago. I was at the Welcome to 1979 Summit last year and I picked out a Taylor on a compressor shootout. The dude sitting next to me saw my text to a friend who was in another part of the building. He nudged me and said "man I hate 'em too. I actually 'bought in' and had 2 for a few years. I'm so glad I sold them off." |
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Post by christopher on Dec 15, 2023 22:41:13 GMT -6
Here is my go-to for understanding distance on vocals.
Without me it would only have 144,999,000 views
YouTube has the making of.. man.. they have Ray Charles doing his part about 4-5 feet back, 32 min in… omg Bob Dylan needs pointers on how to sound like a meme of Dylan so Stevie Wonder shows him lmao
Edit: just so people know, by this time digital reel to reels were a thing, I think 16 bit? So it may be digital. I’ve never seen the making of… and I’ve always wondered
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Post by drumsound on Dec 15, 2023 22:52:23 GMT -6
Here is my go-to for understanding distance on vocals. Without me it would only have 144,999,000 views It doesn't hurt to have a room full of C12s either. |
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Post by christopher on Dec 15, 2023 23:48:57 GMT -6
Amen! Seriously C12 seems to just work.. Or apparently used 😣panty-hose pop filters.. do you notice how many dodged them?
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Post by drumsound on Dec 16, 2023 12:11:29 GMT -6
Amen! Seriously C12 seems to just work.. Or apparently used 😣panty-hose pop filters.. do you notice how many dodged them? Yeah, kinda funny. A world class room, 90% of the most popular performers of the time, C12s out the wazoo and DIY pop filters. |
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Post by chessparov on Dec 16, 2023 14:04:53 GMT -6
Somehow most Taylors sound like a piezo DI even when they'er not plugged in. That's pretty much my thoughts as well. Thinner New York piezo? Or thicker Chicago? I really like Lindsay's neo-Rockabilly stuff. Ala "Monday Morning" and "Second Hand News". Great energy! Chris |
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Post by ab101 on Dec 16, 2023 14:24:14 GMT -6
That's pretty much my thoughts as well. Thinner New York piezo? Or thicker Chicago? ... One of your crustier comments, my friend! |
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Post by chessparov on Dec 16, 2023 14:30:37 GMT -6
So many bad jokes. So little time. Thanks! |
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Post by wiz on Dec 16, 2023 15:01:23 GMT -6
It’d be interesting to see how many of us could pick out a Taylor in blind listening or (even better) blindfolded playing, since we’re all convinced we dislike them so much. I have that bias, but I honestly can’t say how much of it came from playing Taylors and how much of it was just absorbed from the pervasive “eww Taylors, too bright!” thing. 🤷♂️ I have no idea when the last time I actually played a Taylor was. A really long time ago. Every acoustic guitar part in the last few years I have posted has been a Taylor. It is the best playing acoustic guitar I have ever played. (Except dobro and banjo) cheers Wiz cheers |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2023 15:07:45 GMT -6
It’d be interesting to see how many of us could pick out a Taylor in blind listening or (even better) blindfolded playing, since we’re all convinced we dislike them so much. I have that bias, but I honestly can’t say how much of it came from playing Taylors and how much of it was just absorbed from the pervasive “eww Taylors, too bright!” thing. 🤷♂️ I have no idea when the last time I actually played a Taylor was. A really long time ago. I have heard good Taylor’s occasionally. Most of them older. But every time I’ve picked one up at a store, I…just don’t get it. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 16, 2023 15:17:54 GMT -6
My best friend has an older Taylor (I think early 90s at the latest, possibly older) that he somehow scored for a few hundred bucks somewhere. It's one of the best guitars I've ever played/heard.
But yeah, apart from that one, I'm also kinda biased against Taylors. I don't think it's necessarily because they're bright (I like bright), but more because they often sound ice picky and too in-your-face. I once recorded another friend's Taylor mini and it was HORRIFIC. Give me a cheap Alvarez over that thing any day.
The super high end ones are a different story, though. Some of those are really great.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 16, 2023 15:55:38 GMT -6
My best friend has an older Taylor (I think early 90s at the latest, possibly older) that he somehow scored for a few hundred bucks somewhere. It's one of the best guitars I've ever played/heard. But yeah, apart from that one, I'm also kinda biased against Taylors. I don't think it's necessarily because they're bright (I like bright), but more because they often sound ice picky and too in-your-face. I once recorded another friend's Taylor mini and it was HORRIFIC. Give me a cheap Alvarez over that thing any day. The super high end ones are a different story, though. Some of those are really great. I do not have an anti-Taylor bias, but I do not have good experience either. Actually I started out pro-Taylor because a guitar player of mine many years ago had one that just sounded great. But I've never found one in a shop that I jelled with, and I have tried. Although I will say, I picked up a Taylor GS Mini a couple summers ago on vacation and it blew away every single other baby size guitar I tried. Not sure what kind of voodoo they have going on with that thing but it sounds a lot bigger and deeper than it is. |
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Post by Ward on Dec 16, 2023 19:50:59 GMT -6
I have this one Taylor and it's my favorite for mid-forward guitar [arts such as bluegrass and folk -
a 2003 30th anniversary 310! Not even slightly high-end but it sounds like a million bucks!
Such a great flat-picking guitar. If I need acoustic guitar tracks that sits back in a mix, I use the Martin triplets.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 16, 2023 23:41:51 GMT -6
That's pretty much my thoughts as well. Thinner New York piezo? Or thicker Chicago? I really like Lindsay's neo-Rockabilly stuff. Ala "Monday Morning" and "Second Hand News". Great energy! Chris Thin and crispy. |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 17, 2023 1:42:14 GMT -6
Hey, Buckingham plays one live, at least. And on that song, too. ALL acoustic guitars sound bad live through PAs. I love his playing...and yes that sounds like a Taylor. He's always had kind of a direct sound... Yeah, Lindsey has made it work. He had that odd shaped custom guitar that had a really detialed direct sound, which I think worked because of the finger style detail he wanted to portray. Love his very personalised rendition. as to the Taylor; some of them can sound amazingly good and that is his sound right there soundhole plug and all. Ive owned a 714, wasn't enamoured of the neck shape but the instrument had tone for days FWIW. Cheers, Ross Exception that proves the rule. That's what I was gonna say, too. Somehow most Taylors sound like a piezo DI even when they'er not plugged in. Not ALL. I bought a Cole Clark - designed for the sole purpose of being plugged in via a DI. It has a mic built in as well as a piezo and a little on board mixer - through my Yamaha PA is sounds absolutely fantastic! I cannot recommend Cole Clark highly enough - not cheap - but definitely worth it for live performances. In the studio I use a mic and pre-amp with a Martin D18 as I’m not keen on DI’ed guitar for recordings - so I’m using the Cole Clark on live use. Oh and the Cole Clark guitars are very pretty being Australian native woods - mine is silky oak. |
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Post by theshea on Dec 17, 2023 6:23:33 GMT -6
i want to raise my hand in favor of my seagull S6: awful looking but wonderful sounding guitar. records fab. very overlooked acoustic guitar.
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