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Post by easyrider on Apr 21, 2024 4:49:14 GMT -6
Plugins are a waste of money….we buy them cause they’re cheap….not because we need them. Interesting take. I’ve made a living off of plugins. Good on you… if I hired you to record me…I would want to record through a high end pre…and processed with hardware comps…my electric guitars tracked through real amps and api pres and EQs…. I would feel short changed if you brought up a UAD emulation I bought for $7
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Post by easyrider on Apr 21, 2024 4:54:23 GMT -6
Plugins are a waste of money….we buy them cause they’re cheap….not because we need them. While still a huge hardware guy I have to say the reasons given to me by most of the working pros I know would say you got it ass backwards, recall and finding that sweet spot on hardware is the waste of time. Yes pretty much every plugin in chasing the tone of analog has left me wanting the analog, every Analog recreation of what a plugin can do has had the same effect. Understand for many this isn’t about chasing sonic nirvana, it’s about paying the rent, we normally don’t get paid by the hour but buy the project these days so if a plugin in can get closer to perfect quickly and get me back there quickly it’s not a waste of money it’s a money maker. I guess it all about the context…a home user doesn’t need 10 x 1176 plugins from loads of different developers….and cork sniff each one…but we buy them cause they’re only $29 or less…I’m guilty of it…I bought my last plugin in Jan 2023 and have no intention of buy another single one…the market is saturated and the a con in my opinion….strap an old scratched GUI on a rare hardware emulation …call it warm and fat in the marketing sprinkled with a bit of vintage vibe and you have a licence to print money…
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Post by Dan on Apr 21, 2024 9:40:49 GMT -6
Interesting take. I’ve made a living off of plugins. Good on you… if I hired you to record me…I would want to record through a high end pre…and processed with hardware comps…my electric guitars tracked through real amps and api pres and EQs…. I would feel short changed if you brought up a UAD emulation I bought for $7 the Softube plexi is on so many records because it comes with a UAD Apollo. There are better amp sims now and tube quality is so bad now that many real modern amps sound better sweetened by a selected tube plugins. Hardware compressors mostly change a good guitar tone and not for the better except for very few, rather clean modernish compressors.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 21, 2024 9:43:28 GMT -6
Interesting take. I’ve made a living off of plugins. Good on you… if I hired you to record me…I would want to record through a high end pre…and processed with hardware comps…my electric guitars tracked through real amps and api pres and EQs…. I would feel short changed if you brought up a UAD emulation I bought for $7 Not a problem, starts at around $600 a day in my market. I’m sure you’re a good guy, but I have generally found that clients who focus on the gear are the worst to work with because they miss the forest for the trees.
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Post by Dan on Apr 21, 2024 9:48:08 GMT -6
While still a huge hardware guy I have to say the reasons given to me by most of the working pros I know would say you got it ass backwards, recall and finding that sweet spot on hardware is the waste of time. Yes pretty much every plugin in chasing the tone of analog has left me wanting the analog, every Analog recreation of what a plugin can do has had the same effect. Understand for many this isn’t about chasing sonic nirvana, it’s about paying the rent, we normally don’t get paid by the hour but buy the project these days so if a plugin in can get closer to perfect quickly and get me back there quickly it’s not a waste of money it’s a money maker. I guess it all about the context…a home user doesn’t need 10 x 1176 plugins from loads of different developers….and cork sniff each one…but we buy them cause they’re only $29 or less…I’m guilty of it…I bought my last plugin in Jan 2023 and have no intention of buy another single one…the market is saturated and the a con in my opinion….strap an old scratched GUI on a rare hardware emulation …call it warm and fat in the marketing sprinkled with a bit of vintage vibe and you have a licence to print money… An 1176’s functionality cannot be easily recreated with a software circuit model. Meanwhile there are software compressors so fast and accurate at tracking transients, you can set them like an 1176 or even more aggressive so they sound like taking a flamethrower to drum hits where most collapse at under 3-5 ms attack or so. Skill issue. There are plugins built from one off hardware now like Phil’s Cascade and the Neold Big Al and Wunderlich. There are plugins modeling classic gear but expanded for more options like Cytomic the Scream, MJUC, Softube British Class A where you can tweak the distortions to work in situations where the hardware would be unable to because of the inherent distortion.
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Post by easyrider on Apr 21, 2024 11:50:16 GMT -6
Good on you… if I hired you to record me…I would want to record through a high end pre…and processed with hardware comps…my electric guitars tracked through real amps and api pres and EQs…. I would feel short changed if you brought up a UAD emulation I bought for $7 Not a problem, starts at around $600 a day in my market. I’m sure you’re a good guy, but I have generally found that clients who focus on the gear are the worst to work with because they miss the forest for the trees. I wouldn’t really be focused on gear…I’d just expect a base line when tracking…
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 21, 2024 13:48:33 GMT -6
Good on you… if I hired you to record me…I would want to record through a high end pre…and processed with hardware comps…my electric guitars tracked through real amps and api pres and EQs…. I would feel short changed if you brought up a UAD emulation I bought for $7 Not a problem, starts at around $600 a day in my market. I’m sure you’re a good guy, but I have generally found that clients who focus on the gear are the worst to work with because they miss the forest for the trees. I was referring to mixing, but exactly. I'll be glad to budget out a full studio and band for you.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Apr 22, 2024 13:59:49 GMT -6
Good on you… if I hired you to record me…I would want to record through a high end pre…and processed with hardware comps…my electric guitars tracked through real amps and api pres and EQs…. I would feel short changed if you brought up a UAD emulation I bought for $7 Not a problem, starts at around $600 a day in my market. I’m sure you’re a good guy, but I have generally found that clients who focus on the gear are the worst to work with because they miss the forest for the trees. The worst records I've ever been involved in were ones where I came in (often it was my fault so I'll take the blame) with a technical idea of what we should do as opposed to an artistic idea. That's partly why I returned to my old DIY approach. A decade and a half of "we HAVE to record this to real tape!" and "this guy has a real M49!" did not result in better records than I got doing "hey let's just get to work instead of talking about work" or "this guy is fun to record with, let's work there."
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