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Post by geoff738 on Nov 27, 2023 18:19:32 GMT -6
Ok, one last question. Any thoughts on the PSP/ Avedis eq?
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by sean on Nov 27, 2023 21:06:49 GMT -6
Ok, one last question. Any thoughts on the PSP/ Avedis eq? Cheers, Geoff Great broad tone shaping EQ. Sometimes clicking the 28K brings things to life. I’d say it’s a top 5 software EQ |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2023 0:32:01 GMT -6
It is very much starting over. New computer, Mac mini. Upgraded Logic from Logic Express. Yeah that’s how long I’ve been out of the loop.New interface. Was able to get some of the old plug-ins up and running, but lots not. Was able to get Alicia’s keys and their organs running. Much thanks to customer support. Likewise a couple of Superior Drums 2 kits will work on the new machine, but a couple are gone to the mists of time. And it’s been so long I can’t remember how to do a lot of stuff. Haven’t tried to get Slate drums up and running. Don’t think I’m gonna bother. Need to learn Logic drummer. So the plug-in splurge. Waves and Slate were the big boys when I was last in the market. Along with folks like McDsp, Soundtoys etc. But there are soooo many more options now. So I appreciate everybody weighing in and guiding me. I went a little overboard. I went from having no Pultec style eqs to four. And I probably should have got more familiar with what’s in Logic because there’s a bunch of new and/or improved stuff there. But no I plunged in headfirst and spent way too much money. So, what’d I get? Silver Bullet and a UAD bundle were the big splurges. Then I added the Chandler germanium comp. I wanted a diode bridge comp, preferably a 33609, but this will do for now. PA got me with their $29 deals. I got an auto tuner, the Chop Shop, and a transient shaper. Not the SPL though. A Tokyo Dawn eq. Then UAD got me again with their 2 for 99 deal. La3a and Distressor. Why I got the Distressor I’ll never know. I didn’t particularly love the hardware last time I used it. And they have me pondering the Massive Passive. So I have a lot of new stuff to learn. Like I’ve mentioned several times in this thread, I have to stop buying more stuff, and get down to actually recording. That’s my story. Cheers, Geoff I use slate ssd 5.5 on my m1 in logic no problems. Jk if you are considering a silver bullet, with the mkii, its $400 off new now and they are just releasing a vari mu compressor module also on sale. A little more $ thsn Mark’s great suggestion, but you’d be getting new, more features and a warranty vs used. Like everyone here, I’ve bought and sold a lot of software and hardware: a SB mkii with the vari mu module, would be pretty near the top of my list if I was buying hardware. |
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 30, 2023 11:55:00 GMT -6
Just to tie a bow on this. Decided against the Massive Passive, either UA or Pulsar. They each had their strengths but given the largely lukewarm reception here I decided to pass for now. Likewise the Avedis. It has been $29 as recently as last year. If it drops down to that again in the future I’ll likely pick it up. Still considering the Voosteq Neve thing. For the price of a couple pints?
Cheers,
Cheers
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 28, 2023 14:14:41 GMT -6
Ok, I wavered. UA got me with their $25 and two for $99 deal. Picked up SC and Massive Passive for $74. That begat another $25 coupon and another purchase. Fairchild for $14. And I also picked up the Saturate Clipper for $19.
Are there still plugins I’m interested in? Well a Flickinger, Quad 8, Helios or Trident channel strip. And I’m looking at a Softube guitar and bass bundle on sale until today. I ve never really had much luck with guitar amp sims in the past,so I dunno.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 14:21:12 GMT -6
Ok, I wavered. UA got me with their $25 and two for $99 deal. Picked up SC and Massive Passive for $74. That begat another $25 coupon and another purchase. Fairchild for $14. And I also picked up the Saturate Clipper for $19. Are there still plugins I’m interested in? Well a Flickinger, Quad 8, Helios or Trident channel strip. And I’m looking at a Softube guitar and bass bundle on sale until today. I ve never really had much luck with guitar amp sims in the past,so I dunno. Cheers, Geoff It's not really worth it beyond amp sims, drum samplers, and VSTi synths as a musician unless you want something with a megaton of color that can change a guitar tone like goodhertz tupe or sdrr2 tube or the fuse/uad tube stuff. I know i am harping on tupe but try it out. it sounds so good on guitars. |
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 15, 2024 20:43:15 GMT -6
Okaaay. So. Did I actually stop buying plugins once the calendar turned to 2024? In a word, no. No I did not.
Picked up the Softube Trident eq a couple weeks back. Then the current PA deals had me pick up the Oven. And a Rat pedal sim.
Now Kush has all their stuff on sale until the 18th. Do I need another eq? Well I’m at least curious about the Magpha one. I like the idea at least of something a bit under the radar. Maybe the Electra, but does it really do anything one of my bazillion other eqs doesn’t? Or that cant be had for cheaper currently with a bx product at PA?
Eh, put stuff on sale and take my money seems to be the case.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 15, 2024 21:45:27 GMT -6
i like the trident eq, especially on electric bass, enjoy it!
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Post by Dan on Feb 15, 2024 22:26:43 GMT -6
Most of the softube stuff sounds really cool. It just phase shifts the top end other than the Weiss and the effects from the minimum phase anti-alias filters so it seems mostly for VSTi musicians and closed miced guitar parts like U-he but less utilitarian. The only ones that sound bad to me are the American Class A (that drive doesn't sound like API) and the Kerry King Marshall. The British Class A and the Paul Wolff plugs sound great. Trident I tried briefly but it lost out to other plugs. Never tried it on guitar or bass and cannot re-demo easily because it's an ilok plug. The ilok plugs have to WOW. It took two demos and bugs from another plugin developer for me to buy the Weiss. Meanwhile the Tsar was the Tsar Bomba.
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 15, 2024 22:36:40 GMT -6
Most of the softube stuff sounds really cool. It just phase shifts the top end other than the Weiss and the effects from the minimum phase anti-alias filters so it seems mostly for VSTi musicians and closed miced guitar parts like U-he but less utilitarian. The only ones that sound bad to me are the American Class A (that drive doesn't sound like API) and the Kerry King Marshall. The British Class A and the Paul Wolff plugs sound great. Trident I tried briefly but it lost out to other plugs. Never tried it on guitar or bass and cannot re-demo easily because it's an ilok plug. The ilok plugs have to WOW. It took two demos and bugs from another plugin developer for me to buy the Weiss. Meanwhile the Tsar was the Tsar Bomba. Well I certainly dont have a Trident console to compare. Ha! I wish! I like the Tsar! Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 17, 2024 17:17:48 GMT -6
Ok, if anybody has any thoughts on Kush’s eqs, fire away. I may make the plunge.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 18, 2024 4:49:49 GMT -6
Curious if anyone is still using the UAD Fatso and if anyone compared it to the hardware?
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 18, 2024 14:55:19 GMT -6
I have not. I was interested in the Kush modded Fatso but never pulled the trigger.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by notneeson on Feb 18, 2024 16:37:52 GMT -6
I have not. I was interested in the Kush modded Fatso but never pulled the trigger. Cheers, Geoff Yeah, that thing was HYPED on GS back in the day. Not so much anymore. |
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 18, 2024 17:34:23 GMT -6
I have not. I was interested in the Kush modded Fatso but never pulled the trigger. Cheers, Geoff Yeah, that thing was HYPED on GS back in the day. Not so much anymore. I remember liking it quite a bit more than the original. But thats just from YouTube or whatever, not personal experience. And, to be fair, it hasn’t been available in ages. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 18, 2024 20:37:30 GMT -6
Alright. As expected, I caved. Got the Electra plugin. Will that be it for a while? Hope so.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 19, 2024 0:28:09 GMT -6
I have a lot of hardware and now I’m just curious about plugins vs hardware? I haven’t really done the comparisons, however, I’ve always noticed that it just seems that hardware just has the headroom and the air and the organic thing that just does it for me. I want to believe in plug-ins however, every time I instantiate a plug-in it just doesn’t do it for me like a piece of hardware does. I want to know your thoughts.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 19, 2024 0:29:30 GMT -6
I’m just not a gimmick guy, and plug-ins have their place to get you that final polish, but I’m so old-school and I’m having a hard time believing the new sauce. I’ve been doing this for over 35 years, and I wanted to believe that going in the box and buying converters was the way, but to be honest, I did a recording on an HD 24 through an analog board, and I just was loving what I was hearing! I think we’ve been duped by manufactures giving you the new sauce.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 19, 2024 2:04:43 GMT -6
I have a lot of hardware and now I’m just curious about plugins vs hardware? I haven’t really done the comparisons, however, I’ve always noticed that it just seems that hardware just has the headroom and the air and the organic thing that just does it for me. I want to believe in plug-ins however, every time I instantiate a plug-in it just doesn’t do it for me like a piece of hardware does. I want to know your thoughts. Couldn’t agree more, my history is 1. Recorded on tape and console. 2. Fully bought into the digital revolution 3. Bought hardware for the stereo mix bus 4. Looking to go back to full hybrid 5. Will eventually get a console again. I was dupped man, it was all a big lie  |
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 19, 2024 16:49:47 GMT -6
I have a lot of hardware and now I’m just curious about plugins vs hardware? I haven’t really done the comparisons, however, I’ve always noticed that it just seems that hardware just has the headroom and the air and the organic thing that just does it for me. I want to believe in plug-ins however, every time I instantiate a plug-in it just doesn’t do it for me like a piece of hardware does. I want to know your thoughts. I say if you have the space and the budget, go with hardware. Plugins are getting better in many cases, and some do stuff that hardware cant. Most of my outboard is compressors and I dont really feel the plugins can do what the hardware does. I find it more difficult to hear and fiddly to set. But I dont have the space or the budget to fill up rack after rack. So, I have plugins. I am just a hobbyist at this point, but I can also see the advantage of recallability of plugins in a commercial studio. I guess at the end of the day we each have to decide given our budgets and space and workflow etc. which way we prefer to work. I think it’s safe to say that fantastic sounding recordings can be made from many different approaches. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by viciousbliss on Feb 19, 2024 17:56:25 GMT -6
Some hardware and plugins are extremely close. Go watch the Audio Animals video for the SPL PQ hardware vs plugin. Other eqs like the Curve Bender are not close at all. The PQ plugin rivals the Massive Passive hardware whereas the Massive Passive plugins all fell quite short when I did my comparisons last year. I've compared the VSM-2 and VSM-3. The VSM-3 sounds nice but it comes across like a crude impersonation compared to the real thing. Early serial number Shadow Hills vs the plugins is not close at all either. Fusion plugins are also pretty way off for the most part. You can try stuff like Elysia Alpha and Cranesong Hedd as part of the Magic Garden Chain at Access Analog. That L2 hardware is set to have noise shaping on and you can ask them to turn it off. At the moment you can't use the chain's pieces separately but they told me we'll eventually be able to use the Alpha and others on their own. Do you guys dither before your first hardware insert? That makes an almost radical difference. If you haven't tried Maat Linpro, I'd be curious what you think after using it.
Plugins that I think you should try if you haven't would be: Overload Dopamine, Satin Tape, PA 902, SPL PQ, Softube Tube Tech MKII, UAD 480, Eventide SP2016, Softube Atlantis, UAD Culture Vulture, UAD Harrison, and UAD Cooper Timecube. Inspirata was said to be the closest to a Bricasti and I'd agree based on my comparison of it vs the Bricasti at Access Analog.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 20, 2024 3:01:41 GMT -6
Plug ins have the convenience factor and recall, but there is hardware that comes with a plug in, Bettermaker etc., but they aren’t cheap and then you have the vulnerability of needing the company to keep software up to date/os compliant. But, then you have the OB sound and convenience: (there’s a BM mastering limiter for sale locally, not cheap, but, oh so tempting !  |
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 20, 2024 8:37:06 GMT -6
I have a lot of hardware and now I’m just curious about plugins vs hardware? I haven’t really done the comparisons, however, I’ve always noticed that it just seems that hardware just has the headroom and the air and the organic thing that just does it for me. I want to believe in plug-ins however, every time I instantiate a plug-in it just doesn’t do it for me like a piece of hardware does. I want to know your thoughts. Couldn’t agree more, my history is 1. Recorded on tape and console. 2. Fully bought into the digital revolution 3. Bought hardware for the stereo mix bus 4. Looking to go back to full hybrid 5. Will eventually get a console again. I was dupped man, it was all a big lie It's all well and fine until someone hands you the invoice. In hindsight I'd have stopped at tracking HW & master bus then pretended nothing else existed.. |
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 20, 2024 9:43:47 GMT -6
Couldn’t agree more, my history is 1. Recorded on tape and console. 2. Fully bought into the digital revolution 3. Bought hardware for the stereo mix bus 4. Looking to go back to full hybrid 5. Will eventually get a console again. I was dupped man, it was all a big lie It's all well and fine until someone hands you the invoice. In hindsight I'd have stopped at tracking HW & master bus then pretended nothing else existed.. That's where I am now - tracking and stereo bus hardware. But, if funds allow when I come to semi-retire in a few years time then I'll at least add the full hybrid element to my set-up and may fall short of the console element purely for financial reasons - as you point out. |
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 23, 2024 14:47:00 GMT -6
And the neverending plugin alliance sale continues. Supposedly a leap year thing. Will I get sucked in again? I’m gonna wait until the 29th and see if they do anything further for that. Not really sure there’s even anything more Id want much less need. But ooh, on sale!
Cheers,
Geoff
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