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Post by Ward on Nov 1, 2023 18:24:32 GMT -6
Well color me intrigued and interested!
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 1, 2023 22:27:32 GMT -6
wow 400ma per slot. So you need something that'll do 800ma for just 2 slots. Thats a lot of juice! Not a lot of 500 racks will be able to do that cleanly. Current is slightly over 200mA per rail per slot. So 200 is the figure to compare with 130, not 400. Sorry if the info provided is confusing. We will clarify this. ah yes it read like it was pulling 400ma a slot not in total. 400 is much more manageable.
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Post by hey212 on Dec 1, 2023 14:53:13 GMT -6
They just posted some demos. Would love to hear what people who have experience with the 19 inch recreations have to say. I imagine it's not very close, but it sounds pretty good as it's own thing.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 1, 2023 15:41:37 GMT -6
It sure added a lot of depth.
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Post by ab101 on Dec 1, 2023 16:24:09 GMT -6
Dang thing sounds great! I am wondering if it would be best to have a separate 500 series rack for just this unit.
So, it is really not $1000 a channel, because rack space (the power supply) costs money too. Looks like they are using Heritage's 4 space rack, which is excellent!
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Post by hey212 on Dec 1, 2023 17:34:03 GMT -6
I am wondering if it would be best to have a separate 500 series rack for just this unit. I'd be surprised if it needs it's own rack. I had a Singular Audio Tubedrve in a 10 slot rack that was fully loaded. The Tubedrve also has 4 tubes in it and definitely got warm, but never enough to cause any harm to the other gear or itself. That said, I don't have this unit so it might be worth seeing what Heritage Audio recommend.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2023 19:30:43 GMT -6
All the louder parts sounded better. Lol.
I just listened streaming to my tv, so don’t know what I can actually hear…but it sounded pretty good to me.
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Post by Ward on Dec 2, 2023 8:51:48 GMT -6
SNIP I am wondering if it would be best to have a separate 500 series rack for just this unit. SNIP You'll be fine with two slots from a 500 series chassis with a robust power supply, like the API 500-8B or the jsteiger CAPI version which supply 250ma to every 500 slot, almost double the VPR spec of 130ma per slot
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Post by hey212 on Dec 2, 2023 9:38:51 GMT -6
Another good option is the IGS Panzer which can supply up to 420mA per slot. Designed with tube based 500 series units in mind because IGS also make a few of those. Quiet, linear supply, highly recommended.
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Post by ab101 on Dec 2, 2023 10:40:32 GMT -6
Another good option is the IGS Panzer which can supply up to 420mA per slot. Designed with tube based 500 series units in mind because IGS also make a few of those. Quiet, linear supply, highly recommended. And Heritage's are 400 mA per slot.
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Post by hey212 on Dec 2, 2023 12:19:30 GMT -6
All the louder parts sounded better. Lol. I just listened streaming to my tv, so don’t know what I can actually hear…but it sounded pretty good to me. Ya, definitely needs better level matching, which highlights the fact that it has no output gain/trim. I just realized they did share uncompressed dry and wet files in the YouTube description so the demos can be level matched. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Du3oymgpLzL9SCpjsCEbVNbvKIBXqlNo
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Post by andersmv on Jan 3, 2024 9:18:50 GMT -6
I've got one coming in on review. Anything ya'll want to see/hear?
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Post by Darren Boling on Jan 3, 2024 10:58:57 GMT -6
I've got one coming in on review. Anything ya'll want to see/hear? I have a pair of Anamod AM660's if you want me to run the same files through.
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Post by andersmv on Jan 3, 2024 11:06:25 GMT -6
I've got one coming in on review. Anything ya'll want to see/hear? I have a pair of Anamod AM660's if you want me to run the same files through. Awesome, thanks for the offer. I’m reviewing it for TapeOp, but want to do a video review as well once that’s published. I was considering reaching out to some people with similar units, and maybe one of my friends that has a vintage Fairchild for some comparisons. I’ll get back to you when I start planning stuff. Regardless, if you’re curious I’m happy to run some stuff through the Heritage unit for you.
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Post by poppaflavor on Jan 3, 2024 13:55:14 GMT -6
I've got one coming in on review. Anything ya'll want to see/hear? Leaving the specifics to you, I'd be particularly keen to hear: 1) Examples for which an *authentic* (e.g. an OG or legit full rack clone from HA or Stam) is famous for. 2) Some off label uses that might not traditionally be considered for the Fairchild just to see how flexible this particular beast is. I'd also *especially* need to hear your review and see on your future video that sidechain filter back and forth in its two frequency positions and the roll off at the higher frequency setting for each relevant track. 3 positions total, which is three unseats from the chassis and 3 reseats per clip. Please don't take this the wrong way, but not doing so would be an incomplete review for TapeOp. Especially because currently that's what no one is doing. Understandably so because it's ridiculously difficult to do so. I realize that will require you to remove and then reseat the device each and every time. I'm be especially concerned about wear and tear on the card if I had to pop it out and then for every single sidechain flick.
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Post by andersmv on Jan 3, 2024 14:21:49 GMT -6
I've got one coming in on review. Anything ya'll want to see/hear? Leaving the specifics to you, I'd be particularly keen to hear: 1) Examples for which an *authentic* (e.g. an OG or legit full rack clone from HA or Stam) is famous for. 2) Some off label uses that might not traditionally be considered for the Fairchild just to see how flexible this particular beast is. I'd also *especially* need to hear your review and see on your future video that sidechain filter back and forth in its two frequency positions and the roll off at the higher frequency setting for each relevant track. 3 positions total, which is three unseats from the chassis and 3 reseats per clip. Please don't take this the wrong way, but not doing so would be an incomplete review for TapeOp. Especially because currently that's what no one is doing. Understandably so because it's ridiculously difficult to do so. I realize that will require you to remove and then reseat the device each and every time. I'm be especially concerned about wear and tear on the card if I had to pop it out and then for every single sidechain flick. Planned on taking a look/listen at the side chain inside. I'll probably just end up testing it out on a full mix bus example and probably drum bus at the most. It comes set at the lower rolloff setting, which is probably where I would end up keeping it for personal use anyway. I know a lot of people are annoyed that it's on the inside, but it didn't bother me that much. I use the API 527 Compressor on my console all the time for the master bus and the "thrust" is always in. I would end up testing the two settings and probably picking the stock one and leaving it there anway. I'm easy
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Post by drsax on Jan 3, 2024 18:04:24 GMT -6
I've got one coming in on review. Anything ya'll want to see/hear? Fairchilds excel at being able to compress a lot without sounding over-squashed, so I’d love to hear the Heritage at more extreme settings. I’ve come across a lot of units that can come fairly close with subtle settings but they start to fall apart when pushed hard.
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Post by waxstash on Jan 5, 2024 10:35:22 GMT -6
wow 400ma per slot. So you need something that'll do 800ma for just 2 slots. Thats a lot of juice! Not a lot of 500 racks will be able to do that cleanly. You're totally right that not every chassis can do this. I use the Bento 6s racks from Fredenstein because according to the manual they deliver 533mA per slot. I knew I wanted some modules that needed serious juice so I looked all over and landed on this as the model with the most mA/slot. They also happen to be quite affordable. I can't speak to the different sizes/models they make, but I'm guessing most or all of them are similar if not the same.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 5, 2024 11:21:17 GMT -6
wow 400ma per slot. So you need something that'll do 800ma for just 2 slots. Thats a lot of juice! Not a lot of 500 racks will be able to do that cleanly. You're totally right that not every chassis can do this. I use the Bento 6s racks from Fredenstein because according to the manual they deliver 533mA per slot. I knew I wanted some modules that needed serious juice so I looked all over and landed on this as the model with the most mA/slot. They also happen to be quite affordable. I can't speak to the different sizes/models they make, but I'm guessing most or all of them are similar if not the same. Just to be clear in case folks missed the correction from earlier, the unit in question actually uses 200mA per slot, so 400mA is the TOTAL consumption.
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Post by waxstash on Jan 5, 2024 19:58:32 GMT -6
Yikes! Yeah, I missed that when I was replying earlier. Thanks for chiming in!
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Post by timix on Jan 8, 2024 5:11:37 GMT -6
All the louder parts sounded better. Lol. I just listened streaming to my tv, so don’t know what I can actually hear…but it sounded pretty good to me. Ya, definitely needs better level matching, which highlights the fact that it has no output gain/trim.\ Where would you put that gain control?
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Post by hey212 on Jan 9, 2024 21:28:25 GMT -6
Ya, definitely needs better level matching, which highlights the fact that it has no output gain/trim.\ Where would you put that gain control? Are you asking where the gain stage would go in the signal path, or where the knob would fit on the faceplate?
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 10, 2024 2:20:24 GMT -6
In a purely relative way, looking at the pictures I’ve seen the price tag of £1750 seems a bit steep to me for what is clearly a couple or three hundred quids worth of components.
Yes I get the whole thing about time to construct, gov taxes etc.
But still there’s wasn’t much R&D by definition of what it is.
There appears to be a “wow it’s a Fairchild” tax on this product.
I’m sure it sounds very good and it sure looks good, I just think the asking price is very high.
I only payed twice that price (plus £500) for my full size point to point - hand wired - Phoenix Mastering plus - running on 350v NOS tubes and is stereo not mono.
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Post by audiospecific on Jan 10, 2024 2:58:44 GMT -6
In a purely relative way, looking at the pictures I’ve seen the price tag of £1750 seems a bit steep to me for what is clearly a couple or three hundred quids worth of components.
At that price what are they skimping out on? Because that is just the price of the tubes and some of the transformers
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 10, 2024 8:20:37 GMT -6
In a purely relative way, looking at the pictures I’ve seen the price tag of £1750 seems a bit steep to me for what is clearly a couple or three hundred quids worth of components.
At that price what are they skimping out on? Because that is just the price of the tubes and some of the transformers
Wow - inflation truly is higher than I have imagined it to be - if you’re saying there is likely £700 + worth of parts in this unit! My boutique rack gear must be going up way faster than my money in the bank! This is good news
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