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Post by Ward on Oct 16, 2023 16:19:58 GMT -6
i don‘t own any warm audio gear but the ones i‘ve tried elsewhere always seem to lack color and charakter. so you might as well buy klark teknik and save money. if this new one is in the same vein it would be a waste of money in my opinion. I've used both the Warm 1176 and the Klark 1176. The Warm 1176 sounds like.... well, an 1176. I liken it to a really nice Mexican Strat. SNIP . Odd... they reminded me of a Filipino 'Soldier's guitar' from the 1960s or a crafted in Indonesia Squire - - - but to your point, yes, the Krap Teknik is even worse. |
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Post by stratboy on Oct 16, 2023 17:12:26 GMT -6
The CL1B grabbiness is what makes it interesting imo. If you use it after an 1176, and with a slower release, you can kind of dial in the how much front you want on a vocal with the attack in way that doesn't really sound like another compressor and adds a lot of energy. Not worth the $$ when you could spend it on an RS124 or something more interesting though. So, since I don’t have $6K US or CN to buy Ward’s CL1B, who makes the best software clone? |
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Post by jono3 on Oct 16, 2023 17:27:41 GMT -6
The CL1B grabbiness is what makes it interesting imo. If you use it after an 1176, and with a slower release, you can kind of dial in the how much front you want on a vocal with the attack in way that doesn't really sound like another compressor and adds a lot of energy. Not worth the $$ when you could spend it on an RS124 or something more interesting though. So, since I don’t have $6K US or CN to buy Ward’s CL1B, who makes the best software clone? 100% Softube |
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Post by stratboy on Oct 16, 2023 17:43:43 GMT -6
So, since I don’t have $6K US or CN to buy Ward’s CL1B, who makes the best software clone? 100% Softube And the second best, if you’re not using or planning to use Console 1? Thanks. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 16, 2023 18:20:16 GMT -6
And the second best, if you’re not using or planning to use Console 1? Thanks. Well, I mean, you don’t have to use Console 1 to use their CL1B plugin. It works like any other plugin… |
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Post by ragan on Oct 16, 2023 18:37:14 GMT -6
I liked that plug too when I tried it.
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Post by ericn on Oct 16, 2023 18:45:44 GMT -6
Look at it this way, for once a budget clone will probably have the exact pots😁
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 16, 2023 18:52:31 GMT -6
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Post by jono3 on Oct 16, 2023 19:58:00 GMT -6
And the second best, if you’re not using or planning to use Console 1? Thanks. Softube 100% |
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Post by stratboy on Oct 16, 2023 20:14:31 GMT -6
And the second best, if you’re not using or planning to use Console 1? Thanks. Well, I mean, you don’t have to use Console 1 to use their CL1B plugin. It works like any other plugin… I did not know this. Thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 20:15:33 GMT -6
i don‘t own any warm audio gear but the ones i‘ve tried elsewhere always seem to lack color and charakter. so you might as well buy klark teknik and save money. if this new one is in the same vein it would be a waste of money in my opinion. I've used both the Warm 1176 and the Klark 1176. The Warm 1176 sounds like.... well, an 1176. I liken it to a really nice Mexican Strat. Is it a custom shop USA Strat? No, but does it perform and sound how you would expect a Strat to sound? Yes. Is it in the league of a Purple or Serpent? No. The Klark Teknik 1176 is AWFUL. Its thin and the attack never seemed to behave like an actually 1176. (In the same room was a REV D UREI). To answer the larger question... is Warm Audio gear good? Depends on the piece. I think the 1176 and LA-2A clones are fine. I've used them at studios and was able to more or less do the same thing with them that I have done with the units they emulate. The WA-2A has a different tone, IMO, than the silver panel and UA RI I have used, but performs similarly. The Warm 312s- pretty darn good Warm 1073- Fine. Warm Pultecs- Out of 6 I have come across, 4 were broken. The two that worked sounded fine, perhaps a bit grittier than an OG or other clones. Warm SSL- Awful. Does not sound like an SSL and breaks up in a really nasty way, which I have never experienced with any other SSL/SSL style compressor. Also, I own several Audioscape products... I really don't find the Warm gear to be a step down in build quality. Neither of them are in the league of API, Chandler, Empirical Labs, Serpent, Purple, etc.... But given the price point, I would not expect them to be. Sonics are a different story. Audioscape's products are closer to the OG units (if that matters to you) to my ears, especially the Opto. Anyway, if you can't make a good sounding record with Warm gear, its not the gear. You're better off using a plug for any sort of dynamic control than a cheaped out clone. Warm is cheap distorted Chinese gear best used as cheap distortion. Alctron, Behringer, and them aren't going to bother to get the filters right and bother testing whatever diodes, resistors, and capacitors they shove in the side chain.
I'd rather use the ancient, iron-fisted Oxford Dynamics on a vocal than any clone crap. That nails takes down without noise or a lot of distortion.
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Post by paulcheeba on Oct 17, 2023 14:27:26 GMT -6
It would be my last choice.
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Post by Ward on Oct 17, 2023 17:26:14 GMT -6
Look at it this way, for once a budget clone will probably have the exact pots😁 ooohhhhh . . . . burns!! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 17, 2023 17:58:38 GMT -6
I did a video a few year’s ago when I was getting my head around how the Wa76 ratio’s sounded on live drums for a song of mine called cindie’s dreaming
If you are curious about the Warm 76 sound: here it is:
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 19, 2023 8:05:35 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 19, 2023 8:13:54 GMT -6
I haven’t used either of these and my first impression of the video is that while the Warm sounds good, in direct comparison, the real compressor has more depth and presence: like the resolution goes up 10-20 %?
Of course: huge difference in price.
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Post by enlav on Oct 19, 2023 8:34:10 GMT -6
A review embargo must be up now since a lot of review units have come out. I might not be the best judge for the CL1B, since it's not really on my list of favorites I've used, but the warm certainly sounds close enough for something at a quarter of the price. That said, someone who loves the comp will definitely look more for the details they love, and if any of the usual suspects start making something similar, I'm sure the price bump would be worth the difference.
edit: The tonal shift between the two is actually pretty noticeable on second listen.
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Post by frans on Oct 19, 2023 8:48:30 GMT -6
As the Purple action can be had for pretty cheap used, i wouldn't even think about a Warm/Klark - the Action, for me, is close enough. There's a good number of tube optos out there (anybody here using a Valvotronics Gain Ryder..?) which don't cost an arm and a leg, so.... (as in the old poster from the Vietnam war, where the soldier falls down, arms raised, in black and white) "WHY?"
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Post by seawell on Oct 19, 2023 10:30:28 GMT -6
Not surprisingly it doesn't sound as good as the Tube-Tech but I will say it sounds much better than the examples I've heard from the Heritage unit.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 10:56:20 GMT -6
Do like that it is 2 RU, but when a clone cuts down a piece I always worry about long term cooling. I know an empty space or vent panel is cheaper than a bigger chassis, but with the market that Low cost clones like Warm are chasing I know from experience that most are going to cram it in where it fits and not even think about it.
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Post by ab101 on Oct 19, 2023 10:58:21 GMT -6
I wonder how tube tech is reacting to these clones. Will tube tech be able to lower the price of a cl1b?
I would love it if a tube tech rep became an RGO participant.
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Post by Darren Boling on Oct 19, 2023 11:05:18 GMT -6
I wonder how tube tech is reacting to these clones. Will tube tech be able to lower the price of a cl1b? I would love it if a tube tech rep became an RGO participant. I don't even think they'd have to lower the price, just make them available. I heard it's a year waiting list? These clones just make me think I'll stick with my idea of grabbing a Buzz Essence for my next opto. |
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Post by ab101 on Oct 19, 2023 12:02:02 GMT -6
I wonder how tube tech is reacting to these clones. Will tube tech be able to lower the price of a cl1b? I would love it if a tube tech rep became an RGO participant. I don't even think they'd have to lower the price, just make them available. I heard it's a year waiting list? These clones just make me think I'll stick with my idea of grabbing a Buzz Essence for my next opto. I had a CL1b and a Buzz Audio Essence at the same time, and the Essence was as smooth. So are the Velox and SOC comps. The Buzz Audio comps offer great audio quality and smooth compression, and even with two channels are less than one Cl1b. |
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Post by Ward on Oct 19, 2023 12:40:49 GMT -6
Not surprisingly it doesn't sound as good as the Tube-Tech but I will say it sounds much better than the examples I've heard from the Heritage unit. Couple takeaways from Warren's video... and thanks seawell for sharing. 1. A CL1b already sounds pinched (Warren says choked) but the Warm sounds even more pinched. 2. The WA1b really brings out the sibilance 3. It's the equal of the Heritage, except the Heritage doesn't bring the sibilance forward quite as much and finally, 4. They may have stolen Tube-Tech's homework, but they didn't quite nail it. That's probably going to make the CL1b even more valuable as popularity of the clones rises. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:09:01 GMT -6
Not surprisingly it doesn't sound as good as the Tube-Tech but I will say it sounds much better than the examples I've heard from the Heritage unit. Couple takeaways from Warren's video... and thanks seawell for sharing. 1. A CL1b already sounds pinched (Warren says choked) but the Warm sounds even more pinched. 2. The WA1b really brings out the sibilance 3. It's the equal of the Heritage, except the Heritage doesn't bring the sibilance forward quite as much and finally, 4. They may have stolen Tube-Tech's homework, but they didn't quite nail it. That's probably going to make the CL1b even more valuable as popularity of the clones rises. Low price cloning 101, if you can’t nail the tone bring out distinguishing factors x10 it will sell in a 10 min GC demo, not enough $ to justify a gearpimp spending any more time with the customer. |
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