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Post by ericn on Oct 14, 2023 13:12:21 GMT -6
Why would a company want to clone something still in production? And to be honest, a CL1b isn't really that great a compressor. We're not talking Fairchild or Sta-level here or Chandler 124 or 600 league. I honestly can't remember the last time I used mine. Two 12AX7s and a fistful or parts. Because they’re $5k? Ding ding ding we have a winner! |
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Post by Ward on Oct 14, 2023 13:32:39 GMT -6
Ding ding ding we have a winner! You can get up to $7000 for the right one. If it's early int he life cycle of the unit, was made shortly after the design was released, has NOS tubes and is in great condition and working order. Like mine. I would sell it, First one on RGO with $6K in an outstretched hand can have it. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 14, 2023 14:24:51 GMT -6
Ding ding ding we have a winner! You can get up to $7000 for the right one. If it's early int he life cycle of the unit, was made shortly after the design was released, has NOS tubes and is in great condition and working order. Like mine. I would sell it, First one on RGO with $6K in an outstretched hand can have it. This shit has gotten utterly ridiculous. This is akin to a 60 Cadillac for $500k. Plenty of other cars that will get you there - even faster - at a 10th of the price. |
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Post by Quint on Oct 14, 2023 14:31:03 GMT -6
You can get up to $7000 for the right one. If it's early int he life cycle of the unit, was made shortly after the design was released, has NOS tubes and is in great condition and working order. Like mine. I would sell it, First one on RGO with $6K in an outstretched hand can have it. This shit has gotten utterly ridiculous. This is akin to a 60 Cadillac for $500k. Plenty of other cars that will get you there - even faster - at a 10th of the price. Yeah, I feel that way about Fairchilds. Even the clones are really expensive. Yeah there's a lot going on inside, as far as things like the type and number of tubes go, but they are otherwise really simple circuits. Either way, I'm not interested in spending $8k or more on two channels of "you never know if a tube is gonna blow, and replacements are really expensive and/or unobtanium" compression. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 14, 2023 14:34:49 GMT -6
This shit has gotten utterly ridiculous. This is akin to a 60 Cadillac for $500k. Plenty of other cars that will get you there - even faster - at a 10th of the price. Yeah, I feel that way about Fairchilds. Even the clones are really expensive. Yeah there's a lot going on inside, as far as things like the type and number of tubes go, but they are otherwise really simple circuits. Either way, I'm not interested in spending $8k or more on two channels of "you never know if a tube is gonna blow, and replacements are really expensive and/or unobtanium" compression. It’s a non starter for me just because of heat. Much less tube replacement, space, COST, etc. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 14, 2023 14:44:26 GMT -6
We benefit from everything that’s posted here. Based on that I find there are two pieces of gear I would really like the chandler comp and a silver bullet mkii, For me, they both have special qualities and features, I guess a third would be an la2a clone: Stam or Audioscape. Can you tell, I have paid off about 2-3rds of my $19k tax debt ?  |
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Post by plinker on Oct 14, 2023 19:06:08 GMT -6
It’s hype because it has been used on a bunch of hits, as though the vocal compressor was the key. If you want a great modern opto, Buzz SOC seems like the one to beat. Agreed. And the Buzz Velox is also fabulous. ...and the Hamptone HOC1 is a swiss-army-knife in opto-land! |
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Post by robo on Oct 14, 2023 22:55:05 GMT -6
Agreed. And the Buzz Velox is also fabulous. ...and the Hamptone HOC1 is a swiss-army-knife in opto-land! I’ve always been curious as I love my Hamptone pres (and I’m in Portland), but there’s very little info out there. Maybe I should reach out for a demo sometime… |
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Post by plinker on Oct 14, 2023 23:34:24 GMT -6
...and the Hamptone HOC1 is a swiss-army-knife in opto-land! I’ve always been curious as I love my Hamptone pres (and I’m in Portland), but there’s very little info out there. Maybe I should reach out for a demo sometime… They are spendy, and I wish I could afford a second to make the pair, but they are very powerful. It's also lightening fast, if needed. I'm sure Scott would lend you a demo for a bit, since you're local. |
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Post by prene1 on Oct 14, 2023 23:39:31 GMT -6
My AS V Comp does that invisible comp CL1B sound.
Heritage unit I had just was over saturated even on classic mode but it did sound good. But it was a huge no from me.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 15, 2023 2:22:59 GMT -6
The two comps I’ve never been a huge fan of (I’m sure I’m fairly unique in this) is the Fairchild 670 and the CL1B. I think because they lay at the two extremes of colour. 670 too much and CL1B too little. Of all the hardware comps I’ve used the CL1B has always felt very easily replaced by Softube’s Powercore emulation, which right up to about 7dB GR sounds to me ears virtually identical in cleanness and envelope (they’re clever those Softube engineers) Now if Audioscape did a few “special to order” point to point hand wired CL1A’s with NOS tubes I may very well be swayed from that position |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 15, 2023 7:16:56 GMT -6
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 15, 2023 7:52:23 GMT -6
I wonder if Warm is also using the worst pots in the universe on their units to copy the Tube Tech. I swear you look at those things sideways and they move. Not sure why they spec them like that, but it also makes a 5k unit feel like a piece of junk.
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Post by Ward on Oct 15, 2023 8:02:19 GMT -6
I wonder if Warm is also using the worst pots in the universe on their units to copy the Tube Tech. I swear you look at those things sideways and they move. Not sure why they spec them like that, but it also makes a 5k unit feel like a piece of junk. Factory built to a cost point spec, not a technical spec. every penny saved is $1000 on a production line. $2000 on the bottom line. Follow the money |
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Post by ericn on Oct 15, 2023 9:56:16 GMT -6
I wonder if Warm is also using the worst pots in the universe on their units to copy the Tube Tech. I swear you look at those things sideways and they move. Not sure why they spec them like that, but it also makes a 5k unit feel like a piece of junk. Factory built to a cost point spec, not a technical spec. every penny saved is $1000 on a production line. $2000 on the bottom line. Follow the money Let’s not forget if you also use that same pot like old school American made Peavey in everything the inventory control and quantity discount make it more like $25K |
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Post by Ward on Oct 15, 2023 12:02:36 GMT -6
Factory built to a cost point spec, not a technical spec. every penny saved is $1000 on a production line. $2000 on the bottom line. Follow the money Let’s not forget if you also use that same pot like old school American made Peavey in everything the inventory control and quantity discount make it more like $25K Peavey is a lot like Warm and Behringer these days . . . what an interesting time we live in. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 15, 2023 12:10:42 GMT -6
Let’s not forget if you also use that same pot like old school American made Peavey in everything the inventory control and quantity discount make it more like $25K Peavey is a lot like Warm and Behringer these days . . . what an interesting time we live in. While for the most part I was never really a fan of the sonics, I always thought the idea of designing around the parts they already stocked was brilliant. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 15, 2023 13:54:16 GMT -6
Let’s not forget if you also use that same pot like old school American made Peavey in everything the inventory control and quantity discount make it more like $25K Peavey is a lot like Warm and Behringer these days . . . what an interesting time we live in. I believe Peavey is solely Chinese now |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Oct 15, 2023 14:18:56 GMT -6
The original, is quite an amazing piece of kit.
You can do quite a bit of compressing, with NO artifacts, and it sounds absolutely beautiful, and the track will be under complete control.
It has a "gained" a great reputation for a reason!
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Post by ericn on Oct 15, 2023 14:40:06 GMT -6
Peavey is a lot like Warm and Behringer these days . . . what an interesting time we live in. I believe Peavey is solely Chinese now It is, we all knew that was going to happen after they opened up to mail order sales. For years their no mail order policy meant that your local mom and pop music store had a line we couldn’t undercut. They opened us up for local contracting only with Media Matrix and then saw the light of Mail order. Unfortunately for their employees this opened up all the Mom and pops for the Behringer invasion where they were protected by Uli’s iron fisted MAP. Don’t get me wrong I was never a fan, touring with an all Peavey rig is where I learned to always have a backup. In fact our line before Peavey opened up was “ I’m sorry we only carry professional gear. Still I respected how they did buisness, hell for years they were what kept many of my resale clients going. We had all their market competition, Audio Centerion / ST Louis Music , Soundtech etc, all who were made primarily off shore already in the 80’s. |
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Post by jono3 on Oct 16, 2023 8:31:17 GMT -6
The CL1B grabbiness is what makes it interesting imo. If you use it after an 1176, and with a slower release, you can kind of dial in the how much front you want on a vocal with the attack in way that doesn't really sound like another compressor and adds a lot of energy. Not worth the $$ when you could spend it on an RS124 or something more interesting though.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 16, 2023 9:38:19 GMT -6
Ding ding ding we have a winner! You can get up to $7000 for the right one. If it's early int he life cycle of the unit, was made shortly after the design was released, has NOS tubes and is in great condition and working order. Like mine. I would sell it, First one on RGO with $6K in an outstretched hand can have it. Canadian dollars? Chris |
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Post by Ward on Oct 16, 2023 12:27:47 GMT -6
You can get up to $7000 for the right one. If it's early int he life cycle of the unit, was made shortly after the design was released, has NOS tubes and is in great condition and working order. Like mine. I would sell it, First one on RGO with $6K in an outstretched hand can have it. Canadian dollars? Chris New BRICS currency? Maybe 6000 Euros. Aren't all currencies heading towards worthless anyhow? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 16, 2023 13:14:52 GMT -6
You can get up to $7000 for the right one. If it's early int he life cycle of the unit, was made shortly after the design was released, has NOS tubes and is in great condition and working order. Like mine. I would sell it, First one on RGO with $6K in an outstretched hand can have it. Canadian dollars? Chris You talkin ta me ? |
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Post by smashlord on Oct 16, 2023 16:08:29 GMT -6
i don‘t own any warm audio gear but the ones i‘ve tried elsewhere always seem to lack color and charakter. so you might as well buy klark teknik and save money. if this new one is in the same vein it would be a waste of money in my opinion. I've used both the Warm 1176 and the Klark 1176. The Warm 1176 sounds like.... well, an 1176. I liken it to a really nice Mexican Strat. Is it a custom shop USA Strat? No, but does it perform and sound how you would expect a Strat to sound? Yes. Is it in the league of a Purple or Serpent? No. The Klark Teknik 1176 is AWFUL. Its thin and the attack never seemed to behave like an actually 1176. (In the same room was a REV D UREI). To answer the larger question... is Warm Audio gear good? Depends on the piece. I think the 1176 and LA-2A clones are fine. I've used them at studios and was able to more or less do the same thing with them that I have done with the units they emulate. The WA-2A has a different tone, IMO, than the silver panel and UA RI I have used, but performs similarly. The Warm 312s- pretty darn good Warm 1073- Fine. Warm Pultecs- Out of 6 I have come across, 4 were broken. The two that worked sounded fine, perhaps a bit grittier than an OG or other clones. Warm SSL- Awful. Does not sound like an SSL and breaks up in a really nasty way, which I have never experienced with any other SSL/SSL style compressor. Also, I own several Audioscape products... I really don't find the Warm gear to be a step down in build quality. Neither of them are in the league of API, Chandler, Empirical Labs, Serpent, Purple, etc.... But given the price point, I would not expect them to be. Sonics are a different story. Audioscape's products are closer to the OG units (if that matters to you) to my ears, especially the Opto. Anyway, if you can't make a good sounding record with Warm gear, its not the gear. |
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