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Post by notneeson on Sept 24, 2023 20:39:51 GMT -6
In a pro studio environment, when moving sessions between studios / producers / film companies, PT HDX is the standard, and the best option. Even at $750 every couple of years, it is nothing compared to the time cost of continually bouncing stems to share with everyone. I'm no fan boy of Avid at all - but I do cherish the huge time (cost) saving by being compatible with the industry, the stability of the software, and never having to deal with latency. It just works. My buddy got called in to work on what became a Grammy nominated album by an artist we’ve all heard of. An astronomical number of AEs worked on that release. There’s no way he would have got the gig had his referrer not known him to be a pro tools ninja in addition to being able to get great sounds. It absolutely mattered on a project like that. |
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Post by christopher on Sept 25, 2023 12:47:16 GMT -6
That’s a very valid point, and I agree it’s great for a tool we all Use. I love that aspect, and I love the scaling up/ high end side.
My counter thought process.. did the gig pay enough to cover the subscription?
Now add up all the subscriptions that all these other AE’s paid for.. Who’s making the money? I know it’s not AE’s I’ve met plenty. Most AE’s can’t afford the PT setup the neighbor who is a construction worker has. Sure would be kinda cool to kick down a little to the real talent out there. (And instead of a $15k PT setup, I’d rather see a $12k mic personally- unfortunately that’s an uncommon sight ime).
All this said, I completely dismissed Artist but I’m gonna take a closer look. 32 tracks, with playlists,
32 bit. I won’t be surprised if real pros are using that, just like how many are still on PT HD rigs from 12 years ago. It just sucks the pros are left behind, until you get into the measuring stick contest.., anyway, I don’t know the number of outputs. Possibly can use it as a bridge between DAWs, so can work in reaper, import wavs and take to HDX studio? I’ll have to learn more.
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Post by guitfiddler on Sept 26, 2023 7:59:40 GMT -6
This is a little off topic, but if you were to get into an unsupported older HDX system now, what was the last supported OSX on HDX? I’ve seen some decent prices on HD systems, and was thinking about going with an older HDX system and computer and leaving it alone, no upgrades, just 32 I/O analog and 8 I/O of digital. What computer would be needed, and how long has it been since Avid decided to discontinue HDX? These are things that I have been thinking about. Can you run an HDX system on an M1, or would it be better on an older Intel Mac? Or maybe they don’t make a tower M1 Mac that accepts pcix cards? Can you get a chassis that accepts pcix cards that runs on thunderbolt? Just trying to collect some data to possibly find something that works even better for me. I like my Carbon, but I want HDX.
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Post by ericn on Sept 26, 2023 8:44:32 GMT -6
This is a little off topic, but if you were to get into an unsupported older HDX system now, what was the last supported OSX on HDX? I’ve seen some decent prices on HD systems, and was thinking about going with an older HDX system and computer and leaving it alone, no upgrades, just 32 I/O analog and 8 I/O of digital. What computer would be needed, and how long has it been since Avid decided to discontinue HDX? These are things that I have been thinking about. Can you run an HDX system on an M1, or would it be better on an older Intel Mac? Or maybe they don’t make a tower M1 Mac that accepts pcix cards? Can you get a chassis that accepts pcix cards that runs on thunderbolt? Just trying to collect some data to possibly find something that works even better for me. I like my Carbon, but I want HDX. HDX is current and supported, I think your thinking HD, just do a dive into AVID’s support documents. |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 26, 2023 9:12:00 GMT -6
That’s a very valid point, and I agree it’s great for a tool we all Use. I love that aspect, and I love the scaling up/ high end side. My counter thought process.. did the gig pay enough to cover the subscription? Now add up all the subscriptions that all these other AE’s paid for.. Who’s making the money? I know it’s not AE’s I’ve met plenty. Most AE’s can’t afford the PT setup the neighbor who is a construction worker has. Sure would be kinda cool to kick down a little to the real talent out there. (And instead of a $15k PT setup, I’d rather see a $12k mic personally- unfortunately that’s an uncommon sight ime). All this said, I completely dismissed Artist but I’m gonna take a closer look. 32 tracks, with playlists, 32 bit. I won’t be surprised if real pros are using that, just like how many are still on PT HD rigs from 12 years ago. It just sucks the pros are left behind, until you get into the measuring stick contest.., anyway, I don’t know the number of outputs. Possibly can use it as a bridge between DAWs, so can work in reaper, import wavs and take to HDX studio? I’ll have to learn more. Yes, he was on that gig for several weeks and more than broke even. The hours were ridiculous. But to your point, there are fewer and fewer gigs like that and most of them (in music) are not going to be in the Bay Area, we don’t really have an actual music industry here and indie bands are generally pretty broke and trying to do as much as possible with their own gear and/or favors. I recorded the President of a well known entertainment company recently and that was fun because they were not stressed about watching the clock or paying the bill at all. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 26, 2023 9:26:07 GMT -6
This is a little off topic, but if you were to get into an unsupported older HDX system now, what was the last supported OSX on HDX? I’ve seen some decent prices on HD systems, and was thinking about going with an older HDX system and computer and leaving it alone, no upgrades, just 32 I/O analog and 8 I/O of digital. What computer would be needed, and how long has it been since Avid decided to discontinue HDX? These are things that I have been thinking about. Can you run an HDX system on an M1, or would it be better on an older Intel Mac? Or maybe they don’t make a tower M1 Mac that accepts pcix cards? Can you get a chassis that accepts pcix cards that runs on thunderbolt? Just trying to collect some data to possibly find something that works even better for me. I like my Carbon, but I want HDX. HD will only work on Intel Mac’s or PC Cards are cheap and interfaces are reasonable, the issue with legacy DAW’s is always tracking down plugin installers that will work. With HD remember if you want a low latency plugin, it has to be HD, while it will run AAX, you need a lic for the pricier HD version for low latency. The good news is you could load up a nice cheap Magma Chassis for next to nothing. I have had HD on both cheese graters and on one of the recommended Dell’s the last gen Cheese Grater was definitely more powerful for AAX, in fact my first gen Intel cheese grater with a chip upgrade embarrassed the Dell. Both were almost as stable as my RADAR. If you have conversion you really like the Digi/ Avid 192 digitals are dirt cheap you will just sacrifice a bit of latency. I can’t emphasize enough read the docs, while they don’t really have any hidden secret sauce they will steer you in the right direction. I always found it was easiest/ best to build the system around a. SSD boot drive, SSD audio drive and a spinner archive drive(s) plus cloud backup. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 26, 2023 10:33:37 GMT -6
I don't have all the answers, but I have a buddy running HDX on a 2010 Mac Pro tower with Mountain Lion. Just FYI. I do know a guy who specializes in systems if you need him.
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Post by guitfiddler on Sept 26, 2023 12:41:04 GMT -6
I’m not looking to buy right now, but thanks Ericn and DrBill. I thought HDX was discontinued
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Post by crillemannen on Sept 26, 2023 14:54:33 GMT -6
I'm still on PT 12.8 ha! Honestly not much has happened in 7-8y after PT12 came out. I downloaded the latest version last year to check it out. Sure typing in/search for plugins and folders is nice but c'mon! I'll probably update if I get some client work but otherwise PT12 is fine and stable.
And yes.. I've tried to switch DAWs but I love the layout and the workflow in PT. It's great for mixing and editing!
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Post by ericn on Sept 26, 2023 14:59:38 GMT -6
I’m not looking to buy right now, but thanks Ericn and DrBill. I thought HDX was discontinued Spend some time now that you’re not itching to dive in digging through the Avid docs. Knowing what you want/ need makes it easier to jump on a bargain when you have the cash as well as keeps you from making mistakes. If I can help you know where to find me. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 12, 2023 12:39:21 GMT -6
SO...My subscription plan ends today. Through chat, I found out that my perpetual license was transferred to a subscription plan when all this switched over. I don't remember doing that...anyway... Pro Tools will WORK without the renewal play, right? I just wouldn't get updates or "support." Or is it a subscription plan and it won't work after this lapses?  |
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Post by enlav on Dec 12, 2023 15:35:30 GMT -6
If it's an actual subscription plan expiring and not an update plan expiring... I'm under the impression that you can't use Pro Tools after that date.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 12, 2023 17:15:11 GMT -6
Avid is just the fucking worst. I can't call them because I don't have a sub. I cancelled what I thought was just my support and update plan. Now it's saying I canceled my perp license.
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Post by ragan on Dec 12, 2023 17:26:32 GMT -6
Yeah I think being out of the sub will mean you can’t use PT.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 12, 2023 17:34:30 GMT -6
Yeah I think being out of the sub will mean you can’t use PT. I have no recollection of surrendering my perpetual license for a sub. I mean - why would I do that? Now I just basically rent the damn POS software. |
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Post by ragan on Dec 12, 2023 17:37:43 GMT -6
I remember doing it. It was to get a lower price on the sub, instead of paying some initial fee or something. It’s a racket.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 12, 2023 17:40:32 GMT -6
"ls Perpetual license with system ID: 5xxxxx that back in 2019 you surrendered for a Crossgrade promotion we had running. This promotion allowed you to surrender your Perpetual license for a reduced subscription price for the next 2 years. Unfortunately that 2 year period has now come to an end and because you have surrendered your Perpetual license for this promotion you will no longer have access to Pro Tools Studio unless you purchase another Subscription or a new perpetual license. I'm sorry for any confusion or frustration this has caused."
This really, really sucks. Because now, I can't even transition away from PT without continuing to pay an extortion fee. If I hadn't surrendered the license, I could just not pay for the upgrades and still use the version I had. This is SUCH a racket. No other company makes you do this.
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Post by ragan on Dec 12, 2023 17:50:32 GMT -6
The widespread anti-Avid sentiment is not for nothing.
It does suck.
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Post by aremos on Dec 12, 2023 21:43:48 GMT -6
Just get another perpetual. I do it (upgrade) every 6 years. I'm on PT 2019. They sent me a notice offering for $400+. I'll just wait another 2 years. Would never do any subscription. Actually, just checked, & it's $399. for Perpetual.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 13, 2023 13:47:17 GMT -6
Just get another perpetual. I do it (upgrade) every 6 years. I'm on PT 2019. They sent me a notice offering for $400+. I'll just wait another 2 years. Would never do any subscription. Actually, just checked, & it's $399. for Perpetual.
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Post by aremos on Dec 13, 2023 14:26:16 GMT -6
Correct. But, as opposed to subscription, you keep using it for as long (years) as you want.
Of course, based on how fast things change with compatibility, third party plugs & serious upgrades, it's not as long as it used to be but still worth it.
Same with Waves.
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Post by drbill on Dec 13, 2023 16:31:14 GMT -6
Just get another perpetual. I do it (upgrade) every 6 years. I'm on PT 2019. They sent me a notice offering for $400+. I'll just wait another 2 years. Would never do any subscription. Actually, just checked, & it's $399. for Perpetual.
Ditto. It's super cheap. It ends up being less than $100 a year for me until I eventually upgrade my perpetual again. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 13, 2023 16:41:38 GMT -6
Just get another perpetual. I do it (upgrade) every 6 years. I'm on PT 2019. They sent me a notice offering for $400+. I'll just wait another 2 years. Would never do any subscription. Actually, just checked, & it's $399. for Perpetual.
Where? I see $599 at Sweetwater for perpetual Studio. I think you’re seeing the ultimate yearly extortion price. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 16:51:00 GMT -6
Yeah I think being out of the sub will mean you can’t use PT. I have no recollection of surrendering my perpetual license for a sub. I mean - why would I do that? Now I just basically rent the damn POS software. And it doesn't even do anything special unless you get hdx to run the monitor mixes on the on interface dsp chips |
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Post by aremos on Dec 13, 2023 16:54:41 GMT -6
Just get another perpetual. I do it (upgrade) every 6 years. I'm on PT 2019. They sent me a notice offering for $400+. I'll just wait another 2 years. Would never do any subscription. Actually, just checked, & it's $399. for Perpetual.
Where? I see $599 at Sweetwater for perpetual Studio. I think you’re seeing the ultimate yearly extortion price. If you'd like, I'll PM you (cause it has my personal info & account #) the price on my account/product page ($399.) & their notice? |
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