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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 29, 2023 2:57:28 GMT -6
Thanks Ben, it’s kind for you to support me . You, Ward, Yotonic, Eric and anyone I’ve missed must be the only few people without an agenda. Any one that knows me knows I love my Flea collection and I don’t take this lightly. It needs dealing with. People were told they were getting EF12 ‘s only to find they got FET copies or E80F’s . I’m highlighting a problem not trying to start an argument. Their quality has dropped, maybe to launch the lauded 251 but the rest of the range is suffering. I’m just saying be vigilant. Thanks for the IBM tip too mics |
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 29, 2023 3:10:33 GMT -6
Well there’s an element of that if they don’t update Flea’s Chinese website blurb. It wasn’t the tube that sounded so thin though. It was the capsule. I don’t know why they use such bad sounding capsules. hahahahahaha a broken record. A hater's gonna hate  Paul you really need to post more positive uplifting stuff about how much you like Ben's work, Stam's etcetera and get off this negative stuff.
It’s not hating when it’s criticism. I do post positive stuff about people and even create buzzes about boutique gear. I’d much rather be praising those that deserve it. Not slagging off the complacent among the industry. |
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Post by timcampbell on Aug 29, 2023 3:17:11 GMT -6
hahahahahaha a broken record. A hater's gonna hate Paul you really need to post more positive uplifting stuff about how much you like Ben's work, Stam's etcetera and get off this negative stuff.
It’s not hating when it’s criticism. I do post positive stuff about people and even create buzzes about boutique gear. I’d much rather be praising those that deserve it. Not slagging off the complacent among the industry. I guess I am indebted  ! |
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 29, 2023 3:35:32 GMT -6
From Flea website, January 6, 2022: This mic is an exact replica of C12 and involves a modern style power supply with integrated pattern switch. As standard, it is equipped with Tim Campbell's CT12 capsule - great choice if you are considering the clones of original CK12. The mic is equipped with 6072 tube. The transformer is our own replica of original . Considering the sound, it is simply "Rolls-Royce". In some applications this mic will seem somewhat neutral, but it benefits will stand out during mixdown. It's fantastic for vocals, acoustic instruments as well as ambient miking. Those, who have not experienced, will not believe. Same as today, same in 2020. How about this: “Sorry to resurrecting an old thread. I just got my Flea 47 (it was made in Dec. 2022) and it came with a E80F tube. On their website it still says the tube in the 47 is either EF12 or VF14. Anyone know what's going on? An then: Hmm, I just checked again and it still says EF12 or VF14 on their website, no mentioning of E80F: www.flea-microphones.com/mics_vintage.htmlAnyway, I got an email from Flea saying their website is not up to date, and E80F is the better version of EF12, so…..” Who decided the E80F is a better version of the EF12? They are completely different. More untruths. |
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Post by timcampbell on Aug 29, 2023 3:50:06 GMT -6
Paul did you talk to Ivan before posting here? Did the Poster you quoted above? To have a problem with a product and post about it on a forum before even asking the manufacturer to resolve it doesn't give the impression a fair resolution is what the OP most desires.
I have flagged this thread to both Ivan and Milos and made it very clear that their dealers are doing them a great disservice.
I can't speak for FLEA but most manufacturers I know if they were made aware of your dilemma with the 6072 or this posters desire for an EF12 would gladly simply send them one, thank them for making them aware of the problem and it would push them to resolve it.
Paul please post some pics of the quality control issues you mention about this mic.
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Post by christophert on Aug 29, 2023 5:21:50 GMT -6
Surely Paul has a right to point out that a high end mic manufacturer is not delivering the highest quality mics these days - which includes tubes and capsules. Flea would not be the first manufacturer to do it. And he also has every right to not like certain capsules from manufacturers. Paul is the first person to champion great sounding mics and gear that he really likes. Tim - you need to chill a little, and let others have an opinion about the quality they expect when spending big money |
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2023 5:47:11 GMT -6
Tim just out of curiosity, if you and a manufacturer decide to cut ties do you have it written in to your original agreement that within x amount of time they must remove any references to you in all marketing materials? I know a couple of driver manufacturers who have implemented this because of all the Chinese copies. Unfortunately I can’t reveal who they are. Yes Eric. I make sure that if their product doesn't contain my capsule that they no longer use my name.
About the things that retailers themselves post, a manufacturer should be dilligent about making sure the reseller gets correct info about the microphone ( craigmorris74 just showed that FLEA hasn't used this text in at least 3 years) but it would prohibit FLEA for example from building ANY mics if they had to constantly check all the promo texts retailers generate. It just is not possible.
I have wasted a good amount of time trying to get retailers AND manufacturers to correctly list or describe my capsules. It can be never ending.
In old days when it was all print catalogs we had a very simple solution, the manufacturer or their rep would submit the blurb, that way it was on them. Of course even after internal and external proofing you would still find mistakes. It was always fun to see who would find the first mistake after printing. |
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Post by timcampbell on Aug 29, 2023 6:13:18 GMT -6
Surely Paul has a right to point out that a high end mic manufacturer is not delivering the highest quality mics these days - which includes tubes and capsules. Flea would not be the first manufacturer to do it. And he also has every right to not like certain capsules from manufacturers. Paul is the first person to champion great sounding mics and gear that he really likes. Tim - you need to chill a little, and let others have an opinion about the quality they expect when spending big money Please read my posts! I respect everyone's opinion (as opinion, not fact) as I said earlier in the thread. Most of my posts, but not all, are facts in this thread not opinion. That's exactly what this great forum is for that I have a right to post facts and have an opinion and post as much as the next guy
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Post by Hudsonic on Aug 29, 2023 6:48:17 GMT -6
I don't believe any of these reports about FLEA. Dickschlong smears them and offers no proof. OP has dumped on FLEA over at the GS place as well.
FLEA has integrity. The customer can get any tube they want in their mic by corresponding directly with Ivan or Milos. The customer will pay extra for a specially selected tube.
Smears of my friends at FLEA are most unwelcome here.
Isolate and take down the OP who sins against sincere people.
EDIT from admin: I’m going to edit this post and remove the pejorative name-calling. I only have one main rule here: don’t be a dickschlong
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Post by ragan on Aug 29, 2023 8:59:03 GMT -6
As I said initially, I think this whole thing very much hinges on whether Flea is actually advertising something they’re not delivering. Before mics post, all we had was a vague memory and sort of pre-existing grudge. Now that there are actually examples claiming GE/NOS tube, I think the OP has plenty of justification to be pissy about it. The personal attacks (including the one above me, directed toward the OP) are awkward and weird and generally serve to make whatever the opposite side is seem more sympathetic by comparison. What grade are we in, dudes? |
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Post by drbill on Aug 29, 2023 9:52:38 GMT -6
What grade are we in, dudes? Middle School. Paul has a point about the verbiage of the ads. Ultimately, as hard as it may become, the manufacturer(s) have to be the responsible ones here. |
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 29, 2023 10:11:14 GMT -6
What grade are we in, dudes? Paul has a point about the verbiage of the ads. Ultimately, as hard as it may become, the manufacturer(s) have to be the responsible ones here. I have to agree with this. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 29, 2023 10:15:11 GMT -6
Paul did you talk to Ivan before posting here? Did the Poster you quoted above? To have a problem with a product and post about it on a forum before even asking the manufacturer to resolve it doesn't give the impression a fair resolution is what the OP most desires.
I have flagged this thread to both Ivan and Milos and made it very clear that their dealers are doing them a great disservice.
I can't speak for FLEA but most manufacturers I know if they were made aware of your dilemma with the 6072 or this posters desire for an EF12 would gladly simply send them one, thank them for making them aware of the problem and it would push them to resolve it.
Paul please post some pics of the quality control issues you mention about this mic.
Have you never seen an Electro Harmonix Tube Tim? Or a lower than usual quality finish? There is no need, the folks here understand. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 29, 2023 10:46:00 GMT -6
A call for Peace gentlemen. Partly as I'm fond of all of you. I hope any FLEA concerns are resolved as smoothly as possible. This is one of a number of Threads above my judgement/experience. But would still like to continue learning about. Thanks, Chris P.S. I should go back to Middle School. Weight Watchers. |
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Post by kelk on Aug 29, 2023 11:16:15 GMT -6
Today I learned to always check the tubes in my FLEA's and also the word dickschlong.
Always Be Learning.
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Post by timcampbell on Aug 29, 2023 11:24:56 GMT -6
Paul did you talk to Ivan before posting here? Did the Poster you quoted above? To have a problem with a product and post about it on a forum before even asking the manufacturer to resolve it doesn't give the impression a fair resolution is what the OP most desires.
I have flagged this thread to both Ivan and Milos and made it very clear that their dealers are doing them a great disservice.
I can't speak for FLEA but most manufacturers I know if they were made aware of your dilemma with the 6072 or this posters desire for an EF12 would gladly simply send them one, thank them for making them aware of the problem and it would push them to resolve it.
Paul please post some pics of the quality control issues you mention about this mic.
Have you never seen an Electro Harmonix Tube Tim? Or a lower than usual quality finish? There is no need, the folks here understand. I had really lost interest in this thread Paul but since you drag me back in what is the problem with showing the mic? It just seems so strange to me that anyone would pay 4000 dollars for a microphone that they knew they hated the capsule beforehand and wanted for sure that it used a GE 6072 tube but never asked for reassurance that it did indeed use a GE tube. And after discovering that it used a 50 dollar tube instead of a 150 dollar tube came here and made a negative post about it without ever speaking with the reseller you bought from or Flea. You criticised FLEA directly but never informed them that the mic was misrepresented by the middleman or allowed them to correct either problem. It is so contrary to behavior I would expect of anyone spending 4000 dollars. You mentioned other red flags like that it had no emblem. Is it even a Flea you were sold? Is this mic vapor ware? I'd like to see the capsule you removed to be sure that it is even one of mine.
I have an Electro Harmonix tube in my FLEA 251 and I was surprised how great it has sounded, better than many of the dregs of GE tubes I have heard in the last years and better than any RCA 6072 I have ever heard.
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2023 11:26:15 GMT -6
Today I learned to always check the tubes in my FLEA's and also the word dickschlong. Always Be Learning. Maybe it’s the former Gearpimp in me, but in me but I wouldn’t buy a mic without having a conversation with the builder to confirm the tube it’s going to have inside & get it writing. If there have been any concerns or complaints I would buy directly from the manufacturer. Buying through any dealer in cases like this can be a pain because no matter how hard the sales guy try to make sure the right mic goes to me, the shipping dept is going to try to allocate based on first in first out because that’s what the computer says to do it. Used or if I think all this is going to fail I just budget a tube from Bowie in. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2023 11:39:59 GMT -6
I don't believe any of these reports about FLEA. Dickschlong smears them and offers no proof. Dickschlong has dumped on FLEA over at the GS place as well. FLEA has integrity. The customer can get any tube they want in their mic by corresponding directly with Ivan or Milos. The customer will pay extra for a specially selected tube. Smears of my friends at FLEA are most unwelcome here. Isolate and take down the Dickschlong who sins against sincere people. Dickshlong is Hungarian for Behringer clone that was cloned with even cheaper parts, the highest order of audio insults. 😜 |
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Post by mcirish on Aug 29, 2023 11:54:22 GMT -6
This thread is interesting to read but also sad in how the situation is handled by a few people. Seems like a GS thread. I'm just waiting for someone to break a chair over someone's head (or microphone), ala Jerry Springer. Makes me feel really old. If I wanted to read a bunch of personal attacks, I could always watch presidential debates. I'm thankful for the civil minded people who chimed in.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 29, 2023 12:08:57 GMT -6
Being staying out of this as it has bordered on yhe kinda personal attacks we don’t truck. So, no question there is misleading Flea advertising about the tubes and there is a big difference in price between an EH vs an nos ge tube. That’s not good and Paul has a point. Lower quality finish: a bit subjective and I have never used any Flea mikes, but my expectation based Flea site marketing language would be : first class. As, Paul has I believe multiple Flea mikes purchased at various times and at various price points, I think he has a right to comment on the finish quality. Capsule issues: I respect his right to his opinion and to sonic preferences but as he didn’t explain his methodology, not certain how he came to the conclusion and simultaneously having issues with the tube. I presume he rolled the tubes first, then swapped capsules but the sequence wasn’t stated. It seems to me, that Paul has a very clear idea of what he wants a certain mike to sound like and he knows that sound when he hears it and then there is peace in the valley but, until then, watch out! Hopefully, Paul, you get this all sorted to your satisfaction. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2023 12:14:32 GMT -6
This thread is interesting to read but also sad in how the situation is handled by a few people. Seems like a GS thread. I'm just waiting for someone to break a chair over someone's head (or microphone), ala Jerry Springer. Makes me feel really old. If I wanted to read a bunch of personal attacks, I could always watch presidential debates. I'm thankful for the civil minded people who chimed in. If they use a chair, it would be funny, but if someone used a mic ( think original 635 not 635a ) I’m sure JK would ban them immediately! |
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Post by mcirish on Aug 29, 2023 12:24:14 GMT -6
This thread is interesting to read but also sad in how the situation is handled by a few people. Seems like a GS thread. I'm just waiting for someone to break a chair over someone's head (or microphone), ala Jerry Springer. Makes me feel really old. If I wanted to read a bunch of personal attacks, I could always watch presidential debates. I'm thankful for the civil minded people who chimed in. If they use a chair, it would be funny, but if someone used a mic ( think original 635 not 635a ) I’m sure JK would ban them immediately! An RCA 44 would leave a mark. Need something heavy and built like a tank. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2023 12:37:04 GMT -6
If they use a chair, it would be funny, but if someone used a mic ( think original 635 not 635a ) I’m sure JK would ban them immediately! An RCA 44 would leave a mark. Need something heavy and built like a tank. Yeah but any dents would make you cry, I have seen the Buchanan Hammer used as a hammer and then a mic. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Aug 29, 2023 12:46:29 GMT -6
I’d bring my Beesneez 47-type body to the battle!
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Post by suicity on Aug 29, 2023 12:48:11 GMT -6
To all in this thread:
The only issue I have had with this whole saga, both here and on GS, is that allegations are easy to make.
All people like Tim and myself have asked for is evidence to support the claims. But there has been much deflecting from that, and that is unfortunate.
Also please note that I have no problem with Paul’s opinions.
Each to their own.
But opinions aren’t facts.
And getting confirmation that all the claims are facts is all that is being asked.
It is a fair request of anyone making claims that they support those with evidence.
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