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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 13:44:21 GMT -6
Meant Silk man for RND 😬 Even for digital, this plug would’ve been better appreciated around ten years ago even if computers could barely run it just like U-he Satin, in the early UAD2, Slate Digital, and Variety of Sound days. Now there are a ton of modeled preamp distortion plugins, some of them incredibly obscure, and they can all do something similar. Oh I get ya now, yep I used silk like once maybe? The harmonic distortion section on the BM ML is far better, you can select odd / even, the amount you want etc. Also agreed, I really could of done with this back then when I first went home studio. Today I use ITB to reign in the HW, there's a bit too much mojo hanging about..
Congrats to Dr. Bill & Brad anyway..
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Post by drbill on Aug 29, 2023 14:07:46 GMT -6
Do you think folks will be as wrong here as they are/were over there??  . I have more faith over here but time will tell! Ha. I don't really think of it as a contest though and had some regret after posting the first A/B. I had done initial tests on the same loop I always do first tests with and was impressed so in my excitement posted. Then realizing I could be more scientific I redid it, didn't want anyone running away with the wrong idea and unfairly starting internet lore about something that wasn't as precise as it could've been. I don't even care who's going to backtrack when I make the reveal, I just wanted to show how close it is and let people get excited and back to making music. Awesome job!! I'm sure many will be surprised - in both directions. Cheers, |
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Post by drbill on Aug 29, 2023 14:09:31 GMT -6
Today I use ITB to reign in the HW, there's a bit too much mojo hanging about..
Congrats to Dr. Bill & Brad anyway..
Heresy!!!!!!!! Get the ropes!! Haha! Thanks anyway!! |
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2023 14:52:23 GMT -6
Haven’t played with it yet, but as far as the price you need to look at it this way, you can probably do 90% of what an SB would do with a combination of other plugins. Now what would that cost you and how much easier is it to grab the SB in either format.
Bill and Brad have been pretty honest about the fact that the SBs secret sauce isn’t the circuit, it’s that nobody ever thought of putting it all in one place.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 29, 2023 15:48:00 GMT -6
Haven’t played with it yet, but as far as the price you need to look at it this way, you can probably do 90% of what an SB would do with a combination of other plugins. Now what would that cost you and how much easier is it to grab the SB in either format. Bill and Brad have been pretty honest about the fact that the SBs secret sauce isn’t the circuit, it’s that nobody ever thought of putting it all in one place. I discovered the hardware SB because I was doing a similar process with plugins. I was searching for ideas on how other people stack plugins for cascading and gentle impact (with bigger cumulative impact at the end) and found that there was a piece of hardware already doing it. So yeah... if I had seen this three or four years ago it very well may have been worth the price to not have to sit there tweaking complicated plugin chains on multiple tracks. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2023 15:53:15 GMT -6
Haven’t played with it yet, but as far as the price you need to look at it this way, you can probably do 90% of what an SB would do with a combination of other plugins. Now what would that cost you and how much easier is it to grab the SB in either format. Bill and Brad have been pretty honest about the fact that the SBs secret sauce isn’t the circuit, it’s that nobody ever thought of putting it all in one place. I discovered the hardware SB because I was doing a similar process with plugins. I was searching for ideas on how other people stack plugins for cascading and gentle impact (with bigger cumulative impact at the end) and found that there was a piece of hardware already doing it. So yeah... if I had seen this three or four years ago it very well may have been worth the price to not have to sit there tweaking complicated plugin chains on multiple tracks. It reminds me of the days of guys arguing over who was the most important designer of audio gear, my answer was “ who ever designed the original switching telco jacks because without him it would have been a pain in the ass to use everything you guys are talking about. |
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Post by bossanova on Aug 29, 2023 16:07:49 GMT -6
Do you think folks will be as wrong here as they are/were over there?? . I have more faith over here but time will tell! Ha. I don't really think of it as a contest though and had some regret after posting the first A/B. I had done initial tests on the same loop I always do first tests with and was impressed so in my excitement posted. Then realizing I could be more scientific I redid it, didn't want anyone running away with the wrong idea and unfairly starting internet lore about something that wasn't as precise as it could've been. I don't even care who's going to backtrack when I make the reveal, I just wanted to show how close it is and let people get excited and back to making music. You don’t want to be the new “Great River vs Art Tube” blind test. 😅 |
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Post by Darren Boling on Aug 29, 2023 16:41:05 GMT -6
You don’t want to be the new “Great River vs Art Tube” blind test. 😅 Quoting the classics! |
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Post by bossanova on Aug 29, 2023 17:19:48 GMT -6
You don’t want to be the new “Great River vs Art Tube” blind test. 😅 Quoting the classics! Don't forget people defending the more expensive hardware to the death with excuses like "the test was rigged in bad faith" and "I didn't participate but I would never mistake a multi-track recording made entirely with a cheap, colored preamp for one made with an expensive one" despite many sets of ears doing just that. The part I always want to take with me is it's not that they sounded the same, they sounded very different, it's that so many people heard the cheaper sound and it matched their internal reference for what expensive and quality were supposed to sound like. |
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Post by Darren Boling on Aug 29, 2023 17:46:34 GMT -6
Don't forget people defending the more expensive hardware to the death with excuses like "the test was rigged in bad faith" and "I didn't participate but I would never mistake a multi-track recording made entirely with a cheap, colored preamp for one made with an expensive one" despite many sets of ears doing just that. The part I always want to take with me is it's not that they sounded the same, they sounded very different, it's that so many people heard the cheaper sound and it matched their internal reference for what expensive and quality were supposed to sound like. Yeah, ears and ego are a touchy subject when it comes to these blind tests. Even when you really get down to setting up tests there's so many ways to inadvertantely mess up and give favor to one or another, even a fraction of a dB skews things. I don't think I would've posted anything if I as a long time Silver Bullet owner hadn't been so impessed and wanted to try to share with anyone that hasn't tried the hardware and might be curious or skeptical about how the plugin stacks up. |
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Post by drbill on Aug 29, 2023 17:56:56 GMT -6
Haven’t played with it yet, but as far as the price you need to look at it this way, you can probably do 90% of what an SB would do with a combination of other plugins. I have not found that to be the case, but I'm not immersed super deep in the plugin world. There's other stuff that "does" similar things, but none that sound nearly as good. That is of course my super biased opinion. But don't take my word for it. Listen to the owners of hardware who have been comparing this to the plugin. Or to other plugins. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 29, 2023 18:17:27 GMT -6
So those wondering about CPU hit... I just ran this across 14 channels of a live rehearsal mix and it's barely detectable on my M2 Air. So not a "long in the tooth" machine but not exactly a powerhouse either.
One weird thing though, the offline export in Studio One was slower than realtime. Didn't have time to see if it was SB causing that but I thought I'd mention it.
EDIT: Ran the same bounce with SB bypassed and it's definitely the SB plugin causing this. Maybe from some sort of oversampling?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 18:51:11 GMT -6
Don't forget people defending the more expensive hardware to the death with excuses like "the test was rigged in bad faith" and "I didn't participate but I would never mistake a multi-track recording made entirely with a cheap, colored preamp for one made with an expensive one" despite many sets of ears doing just that. The part I always want to take with me is it's not that they sounded the same, they sounded very different, it's that so many people heard the cheaper sound and it matched their internal reference for what expensive and quality were supposed to sound like. I actually bought the ART after that test, I ain't not gear snob and if it really was the golden egg that shined like a beacon against the top of the bank breakers I'd be straight on it. Unfortunately, it umm.. Wasn't.
drbill I know it sounds funny but at one point I was just buying random equipment and hoping for the best, again IME some HW just doesn't sound all that different to a decent plug or even worse a dull sounding desk (turns out consoles don't have to be cheap to be completely uninteresting). So the last time I did a studio upgrade I tested everything I could get my hands on, nothing clean, nothing that could just be replaced by software. I just went a bit too far with that methodology, not necessarily a bad thing though because I found some very interesting stuff despite the cost. |
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Post by phdamage on Aug 31, 2023 19:33:05 GMT -6
I gotta say, after just a few days with this plug, I REALLY want a hardware one!! Hell, even eyeing the MKIs on reverb. This plug slaps! I never had a fancy console to mix on - just a modded Soundcraft Ghost (it was okay), but this totally brings back that feeling of diming my meters on a mix!! Good stuff. I’m impressed!
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Post by drbill on Aug 31, 2023 19:46:40 GMT -6
I gotta say, after just a few days with this plug, I REALLY want a hardware one!! Hell, even eyeing the MKIs on reverb. This plug slaps! I never had a fancy console to mix on - just a modded Soundcraft Ghost (it was okay), but this totally brings back that feeling of diming my meters on a mix!! Good stuff. I’m impressed! Cool! Glad you're digging it. Luckily for the first time since it's been released, for anyone seriously interested, we actually have mk2's in stock and ready to ship. Good times! |
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Post by Darren Boling on Sept 5, 2023 12:01:34 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Sept 5, 2023 15:27:32 GMT -6
Who can argue against that! Haha! Thanks man. Someone will find a way. LOL <Abe Simpson voice>When I was yer age... if we wanted a plug in, we'd just plug the sum'bich in </Abe voice>  |
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 5, 2023 23:55:29 GMT -6
Ok.
What the fuck is this Aspect ratio shit. Fucking magic.
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Post by drbill on Sept 6, 2023 10:11:39 GMT -6
mk2 magic. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 6, 2023 11:07:03 GMT -6
Just makes me want a HW unit more. ha
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Post by ab101 on Sept 6, 2023 11:13:48 GMT -6
Sometimes I like a plugin of something I have in hardware because I can maneuver and save settings on the plugin easier and this provides even more guidance on the hardware. This may be especially true for me with the SB2 because it has so many options. So, this seems irresistable. But I highly doubt the hardware SB2 is leaving my premises anytime soon.
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Post by drbill on Sept 6, 2023 12:13:56 GMT -6
Just makes me want a HW unit more. ha Well of course.... You're in luck though. In stock right now. First time since release. Go for it!! |
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Post by drbill on Sept 6, 2023 12:14:53 GMT -6
But I highly doubt the hardware SB2 is leaving my premises anytime soon. Mine are not. My SB1's are not leaving either. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 6, 2023 12:33:01 GMT -6
Just makes me want a HW unit more. ha Well of course.... You're in luck though. In stock right now. First time since release. Go for it!! no chance. Built a house and moved this year. Broke AF haha. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 6, 2023 12:49:05 GMT -6
Just now trying this on a drum bus. I'm really impressed. I would use it in the chain where I would normally put Waves Magma. Magma seems to do a similar thing, but SB has more tweaks and control. Might have to spring for this.
The plug might be the answer for me. Love to hear the real thing, but if I know me and with the material I do most of the time, convenience and recall are high priority.
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