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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 1, 2023 7:32:30 GMT -6
Haha! Few are naming which is which are they,,,  I think it's easy to tell after the fact, but the reality is there a few folks who are wrong about which is which. I have to admit I was turned around more than once. Then again, as mentioned, I've never owned or used a 251, but I've had multiple 47's and I should know them well.... My guess, unless you did something tricky like switch which is Mic A and Mic B between samples, is Mic A is the 251 and Mic B is the 47. |
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Post by timcampbell on Jun 1, 2023 8:19:51 GMT -6
I'm going to step out on a limb just a bit and say that during the sessions, and immediately after the take, the H251 sounded less like a microphone to me. Interpret that as you will, but it felt more like a record, more like being in the room, more transparency, less EQ'd or capsule affected, etc.. I'm starting to get the feel that some people are going to be very surprised at which is which. Glad I held back for awhile. I will reveal when it seems everyone has been able to listen without prejudice. I know I was a little taken upon putting both mics up together for the first time. Bill I had exactly this reaction when I sang into that other brand's 251. It was the first time that I ever sang into a microphone and just heard myself the way I wanted to sound. I was never concious of any artifacts that reminded me that I was singing into a microphone. |
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Post by bradd on Jun 1, 2023 8:57:45 GMT -6
I'm going to step out on a limb just a bit and say that during the sessions, and immediately after the take, the H251 sounded less like a microphone to me. Interpret that as you will, but it felt more like a record, more like being in the room, more transparency, less EQ'd or capsule affected, etc.. I'm starting to get the feel that some people are going to be very surprised at which is which. Glad I held back for awhile. I will reveal when it seems everyone has been able to listen without prejudice. I know I was a little taken upon putting both mics up together for the first time. Bill I had exactly this reaction when I sang into that other brand's 251. It was the first time that I ever sang into a microphone and just heard myself the way I wanted to sound. I was never concious of any artifacts that reminded me that I was singing into a microphone. I can't wait to get both of these mics in the same room one of these days. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 1, 2023 9:28:10 GMT -6
My guess, unless you did something tricky like switch which is Mic A and Mic B between samples, I did not. Not trying to "trick" anyone. A is always A and B is always B. It most definitely IS funny (interesting) how mics react differently on different sources - even in the same room with the same pre amps. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 1, 2023 9:39:41 GMT -6
My guess, unless you did something tricky like switch which is Mic A and Mic B between samples, I did not. Not trying to "trick" anyone. A is always A and B is always B. It most definitely IS funny (interesting) how mics react differently on different sources - even in the same room with the same pre amps. A is always the 251 though. The 251 is renowned for it's clarity without hype or sibilance, lack of mud yet retains warmth, and just a flattering sound to the voice. Someone once wisely said the 251 is like a U47 and a C12 had a baby. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 1, 2023 9:41:41 GMT -6
Someone once wisely said the 251 is like a U47 and a C12 had a baby. Haha! In my personal mic locker, that "U47/C12 baby" is the Innertube (tube equipped) U87. <thumbsup> |
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Post by Darren Boling on Jun 1, 2023 10:28:26 GMT -6
Haha! In my personal mic locker, that "U47/C12 baby" is the Innertube (tube equipped) U87. <thumbsup> Off topic but I second this, I regret selling mine. Innertube 87 is an awesome mic. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 1, 2023 10:52:42 GMT -6
I listened, then mixed a song, then practiced drums (with earplugs) then went home and went to my weekly poker game. I remember things I knew which was which, but not I don't remember. I'll need to listen again to remind myself. I have been listening to Richard Thompson's Rumor and Sigh a lot lately. It's a Mitchell Froom production like many that feature his 251, so I feel I know that sound, as well as knowing my on CMV563 with M7 and I know the similarities to a 47. Man I have been on a Froom era RT dive for the last 2 weeks, wish I could find a Version of Persuasion with RT on acoustic and Tim Finn on Vocals! |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 1, 2023 11:19:06 GMT -6
I listened, then mixed a song, then practiced drums (with earplugs) then went home and went to my weekly poker game. I remember things I knew which was which, but not I don't remember. I'll need to listen again to remind myself. I have been listening to Richard Thompson's Rumor and Sigh a lot lately. It's a Mitchell Froom production like many that feature his 251, so I feel I know that sound, as well as knowing my on CMV563 with M7 and I know the similarities to a 47. Texas Holdem? Indeed. I listened, then mixed a song, then practiced drums (with earplugs) then went home and went to my weekly poker game. I remember things I knew which was which, but not I don't remember. I'll need to listen again to remind myself. I have been listening to Richard Thompson's Rumor and Sigh a lot lately. It's a Mitchell Froom production like many that feature his 251, so I feel I know that sound, as well as knowing my on CMV563 with M7 and I know the similarities to a 47. Man I have been on a Froom era RT dive for the last 2 weeks, wish I could find a Version of Persuasion with RT on acoustic and Tim Finn on Vocals! As I understand it Mitchell carried his 251 all over so that he always knew what he was going to get from singers. So Richard, the Los Lobos guys, Suzanne Vega, the Finns, etc all done with that mic. |
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Post by boostudio on Jun 1, 2023 20:29:26 GMT -6
I have an H251 but haven't used it extensively yet (and I do not have an H47t), but I'm gonna guess that A is the H47t and B is the H251 ... looking forward to the big reveal Dr. Bill (and thank you so much for taking the time to do this comparison!)
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Post by paulcheeba on Jun 2, 2023 21:01:16 GMT -6
I believe it's the other way round A - 251 and B - H47 the 251 has a brighter top end. They are closer than I would expect though.
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Post by drbill on Jun 4, 2023 10:23:38 GMT -6
I think it's been long enough for everyone to listen and get their opinions.
ALL Mic A clips = Heiserman H251
ALL Mic B clips = Heiserman H47T w/ HK47 capsule
Thoughts?
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Post by chessparov on Jun 4, 2023 10:50:15 GMT -6
H47T IS the King of Shaker. So which for banjo or accordion? Inquiring Bluegrass and Polka Bands need to know! Chris |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 4, 2023 10:55:59 GMT -6
drbill Congrats on the mic! Your experience is similar to my own. I also used to think my voice was more suited to 47/49 style mics, but getting my Upton completely changed that. I've said it a million times, but it's easily my favorite mic I've ever owned. Listening to the clips, my guess is A = 251 and B = 47. I'll be pretty surprised if it's the other way around. Mic B has that characteristic midrange thing I always associate with 47s, whereas A sounds clearer and more polished. I feel like this is especially pronounced on the acoustic guitar. I've never been the biggest fan of a 47 on acoustic, whereas I can get along with a 251 there. Happy to be wrong, though.  Another thing these clips highlight is just how similar 47s and 251s can be! One of the first things that shocked me when I got my Upton was that it wasn't radically different from my old M149 or the UT FET47 I had for a while. It's still a different beast, for sure, but not as drastic as something like, say, a TLM102 compared to a U87. This was actually a pleasant surprise, because it basically has all of the qualities I like about 47ish mics with none of the drawbacks. I had a similar experience several years ago. I rented a couple of hours at Blackbird and sang through a vintage 47, 67, 251 and C12 (unfortunately they did not have an M49 available that day). They all exhibited slightly different characteristics, but were not as different from each other as I had been led to believe. The difference between a C12 and U47 on my voice was not night and day. Yeah. It’s not as big as we make in our heads. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 4, 2023 10:56:37 GMT -6
Geez, I was hoping to just talk about 251's - not religion or politics or woke culture wars. Maybe @johnkenn can clean it up. So....I'm still digging the H251 and it's been a couple weeks now..... Cranky |
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Post by tkaitkai on Jun 4, 2023 12:50:46 GMT -6
I think it's been long enough for everyone to listen and get their opinions. ALL Mic A clips = Heiserman H251 ALL Mic B clips = Heiserman H47T w/ HK47 capsule Thoughts?
Glad my ears work right.
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Post by drbill on Jun 4, 2023 13:28:01 GMT -6
Geez, I was hoping to just talk about 251's - not religion or politics or woke culture wars. Maybe @johnkenn can clean it up. So....I'm still digging the H251 and it's been a couple weeks now..... Cranky Nope. Just believe for standing up for what's true and right, and following your forum rules. I'm guessing you didn't read the post(s) before they got deleted. |
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Post by seawell on Jun 4, 2023 13:35:05 GMT -6
I think it's been long enough for everyone to listen and get their opinions. ALL Mic A clips = Heiserman H251 ALL Mic B clips = Heiserman H47T w/ HK47 capsule Thoughts? My thoughts are I’m thankful I liked the less expensive option for once in my life 🤣. Thanks for doing this, it’s much appreciated! |
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Post by drbill on Jun 4, 2023 13:53:03 GMT -6
I think it's been long enough for everyone to listen and get their opinions. ALL Mic A clips = Heiserman H251 ALL Mic B clips = Heiserman H47T w/ HK47 capsule Thoughts? My thoughts are I’m thankful I liked the less expensive option for once in my life 🤣. Thanks for doing this, it’s much appreciated! Isn't that great when it happens? Unfortunately, I like both options, so it's TWICE as expensive. LOL |
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Post by ericn on Jun 4, 2023 15:01:08 GMT -6
I think it's been long enough for everyone to listen and get their opinions. ALL Mic A clips = Heiserman H251 ALL Mic B clips = Heiserman H47T w/ HK47 capsule Thoughts? My thoughts are I’m thankful I liked the less expensive option for once in my life 🤣. Thanks for doing this, it’s much appreciated! Turn in your true audio snob credentials immediately sir😎 |
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Post by Ward on Jun 4, 2023 17:24:00 GMT -6
I think it's been long enough for everyone to listen and get their opinions. ALL Mic A clips = Heiserman H251 ALL Mic B clips = Heiserman H47T w/ HK47 capsule Thoughts? My thoughts are I’m thankful I liked the less expensive option for once in my life 🤣. Thanks for doing this, it’s much appreciated! It's like I don't even know you any more . . . |
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Post by Ward on Jun 4, 2023 17:25:58 GMT -6
I think it's been long enough for everyone to listen and get their opinions. ALL Mic A clips = Heiserman H251 ALL Mic B clips = Heiserman H47T w/ HK47 capsule Thoughts? A good exercise for some to hone their hearing on. The low-mid clean-up of an accurate sounding 251 clone is a thing of beauty and an accurate reproduction of the original; which was so great! The 251 is probably the singe greatest LDC Tube microphone of all time. |
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Post by seawell on Jun 4, 2023 17:28:02 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Jun 4, 2023 17:30:01 GMT -6
There There, Josh, there there . . . |
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