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Post by paulcheeba on Feb 11, 2024 9:38:57 GMT -6
I don’t read every thread… Yep I agree you dont get the chance to keep up with threads you are interested in. It does take some time to catch up with certain ones. The good thing about RGO compared to other places is that the catch up comments - most of them are definitely worth reading. I had a Josephson Capsule in my BSA 251. I did not find it bright in amy way so that other NLP european 251 capsule that is dark must be pretty noticeably dark. And although I think I need to maybe get one of these, I have to remind myself that after selling the Bocks, getting an Upton and 2 x OPR 251's I need to be satisifed with what I have and just get on with it. The 6072 woud be the one to get. Wow you had a BSA251 with a Josephson, that must have been smooth. The NLP USA sounds amazing. |
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Post by timcampbell on Feb 11, 2024 11:03:04 GMT -6
Yep I agree you dont get the chance to keep up with threads you are interested in. It does take some time to catch up with certain ones. The good thing about RGO compared to other places is that the catch up comments - most of them are definitely worth reading. I had a Josephson Capsule in my BSA 251. I did not find it bright in amy way so that other NLP european 251 capsule that is dark must be pretty noticeably dark. And although I think I need to maybe get one of these, I have to remind myself that after selling the Bocks, getting an Upton and 2 x OPR 251's I need to be satisifed with what I have and just get on with it. The 6072 woud be the one to get. Wow you had a BSA251 with a Josephson, that must have been smooth. The NLP USA sounds amazing. there is a thread on that too! |
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Post by crillemannen on Feb 11, 2024 12:23:47 GMT -6
I haven't owned or used a 251 mic with Ac701 but I'd imagine I would prefer the Non E version over the Export if we're talking original 251s. If I would compare a u67 and m269 which I know very well the M269 is more transparent but still is magic and doesn't have any of the weird frequencies of the U67, a superior mic objectively. Of course subjectively you might prefer one or the other. Back to the 251, it will never go into practice, only speculation on my part since an original is just way above my League pricewise The 2 are not really comparable. The 269 has other differences in the circuit from the U67 besides the tube. As comparable as a 251 E and Non E which was my point. The Ac701 is a wonderful sounding tube and I always enjoyed the mics that has it. It would be cool to do the comparison, I know one that has several originals 251 so we'll see. |
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Post by timcampbell on Feb 11, 2024 13:55:17 GMT -6
The 2 are not really comparable. The 269 has other differences in the circuit from the U67 besides the tube. As comparable as a 251 E and Non E which was my point. The Ac701 is a wonderful sounding tube and I always enjoyed the mics that has it. It would be cool to do the comparison, I know one that has several originals 251 so we'll see. Well you also must check if the mics you are comparing have the same capsule which would be impossible for you to see. Early 251s were built using the first shallow resonator CK12 capsules and later ones were with the deeper resonator CK12 which became the one beloved by most. These capsules sound very different |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 11, 2024 14:22:27 GMT -6
Do we know what Haun uses?
Thanks, Chris
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Post by timcampbell on Feb 11, 2024 14:51:02 GMT -6
Do we know what Haun uses? Thanks, Chris If you mean a shallow or a deep resonator all modern recreations of the CK12 use deep resonators. It is possible to find a shallow capsule every now and then that sounds good but not often and never as good as a good deeper, later CK12.
Most people are only familiar with the red EB version CK12 but the earlier 60-64 grey capsule is actually considered the best sounding
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Post by hadaja on Feb 11, 2024 16:39:41 GMT -6
Wow you had a BSA251 with a Josephson, that must have been smooth. The NLP USA sounds amazing.
Reply from HA_DA_JA
I got the BSA 251 straight after selling my Bocks. So at that time the BSA surprisingly sounded natural after using the Bocks. There was nothing exaggerated in lows or highs like the Bocks. But I can see why people love that modern sound.
I think i got so used to the Bocks sound that the BSA sounded a little boring. Althouigh at that stage I was not sure what I was lookling for in the 251 sound.
The BSA also had the small hauffe T14 transformer. looked too small in comparison to the massive Bock ones. But it does the job of not over imparting anything un natural - so to speak.
IT was then I decided what I really was looking for was a more Vintage 251 sound and thats when the opportunity for a new Upton made by Dallas for quite a decent price sprung up. I did not mind the waiting time for this to be made by him.
IT was well worth it in my eyes. And then I discovered - yes the vintage sound of a 251 was what I was really after all this time.
This was over a 8-10 x year journey .
The OPR is a blend of vintage and modern tone. I would just say its Marks version of his experiences repairing many 251's over the years and his interpretation of what he would like in a 251. And to my ears I quite liked it so much that I bought the Tube and the FET version.
I truly think as buyers of gear we have a unique opportunity to really support and encourage master craftsman in the fields and supporting people like Mark OPR with such a qulaity product as his well priced 251 was a no brainer. |
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 11, 2024 16:44:19 GMT -6
Damnit. New thing to obsess about now. What’s the pricing? No kidding, I’m a man of a certain age - my desire for this high end kit is growing not fading (as my wife had hoped lol) This mic looks great. A 251 is one mic I’ve yet to own. |
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 11, 2024 16:45:41 GMT -6
The NLP 251 looks very well made and sounds excellent. What is the UK delivered price? Who sells them? Thanks
It's still very early days yet, I bought one and have had it for just a couple of weeks. As kcatthedog indicated you can email David and get the details on pricing and shipping. There was no distributor for the US so I purchased one directly from him.
He's very responsive and informative. Very smooth purchase process, kept me updated on timing and the shipping and the way over here was lightning quick. Easy PayPal payment.
I've no other ELAM to compare it to, but it sounds exactly like what I was hoping for. I choose the European capsule, which is supposed to be a bit darker. I was a tad worried about that being too dark but it's very well balanced with high freq crispiness and no boomy or boxiness.Christian's YT demo was spot on for the 6072 tube, very accurate to what I perceive with it in hand.
It perfectly fills the gap in my mic selection I was hoping to fill. It's a bit complex to work with so far, I'm learning how it compresses and saturates at high SPL for vocals (just belting a bit). Can't wait to try some instruments. Very articulate.
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Post by timcampbell on Feb 11, 2024 17:37:05 GMT -6
Looking forward to some male and female vocal clips
The dedicated thread has a lot more info about the specifics.
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Post by paulcheeba on Feb 11, 2024 20:05:17 GMT -6
I don’t read every thread… Yep I agree you dont get the chance to keep up with threads you are interested in. It does take some time to catch up with certain ones. The good thing about RGO compared to other places is that the catch up comments - most of them are definitely worth reading. I had a Josephson Capsule in my BSA 251. I did not find it bright in amy way so that other NLP european 251 capsule that is dark must be pretty noticeably dark. And although I think I need to maybe get one of these, I have to remind myself that after selling the Bocks, getting an Upton and 2 x OPR 251's I need to be satisifed with what I have and just get on with it. The 6072 woud be the one to get. What is the low end like on the OPR? Is the top smooth, do you have any vocals recorded? Sorry for all the questions. 😂 I really like my pair of Bocks but my Poctop 251’s with Ben’s mics capsule is more to my liking. Moby’s T14/1 is much nicer than a modern Haufe. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Feb 11, 2024 22:15:32 GMT -6
Paul or anyone else, have you compared the AMI vs Moby in a 251 circuit?
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Post by hadaja on Feb 11, 2024 22:24:19 GMT -6
I had a Poctop 251 it was an earlier model and bit too raw DIY 'ish. I wanted to be in love with the capacitor, valve, capsule combo and being a modified chinese power supply unit looked a little nasty. But that was 10 x years ago.
AMI Xformers sound different to Haufe ones. AMI's are beefier in size and add a bit more to the low end, Well thats what I felt from using them.
No idea about Mobys' stuff.
The OPR top end is a little extended past the Upton. I would have to get a decent singer in to demo all 3 and see what they sound like. That is not going to happen anytime soon. I dont have any files available to post.
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Post by msr74 on Mar 8, 2024 15:30:59 GMT -6
It's still very early days yet, I bought one and have had it for just a couple of weeks. As kcatthedog indicated you can email David and get the details on pricing and shipping. There was no distributor for the US so I purchased one directly from him.
He's very responsive and informative. Very smooth purchase process, kept me updated on timing and the shipping and the way over here was lightning quick. Easy PayPal payment.
I've no other ELAM to compare it to, but it sounds exactly like what I was hoping for. I choose the European capsule, which is supposed to be a bit darker. I was a tad worried about that being too dark but it's very well balanced with high freq crispiness and no boomy or boxiness.Christian's YT demo was spot on for the 6072 tube, very accurate to what I perceive with it in hand.
It perfectly fills the gap in my mic selection I was hoping to fill. It's a bit complex to work with so far, I'm learning how it compresses and saturates at high SPL for vocals (just belting a bit). Can't wait to try some instruments. Very articulate.
Looking forward to some male and female vocal clips Josephson cap sounds fantastic as well. Very balanced and smooth and wide. I guess 3D would be a better term. There is a really nice dimensionality to it that really pushes the vocal forward. |
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 8, 2024 16:51:50 GMT -6
Looking forward to some male and female vocal clips Josephson cap sounds fantastic as well. Very balanced and smooth and wide. I guess 3D would be a better term. There is a really nice dimensionality to it that really pushes the vocal forward. One thing a mono mic cannot be is 3D …. by definition A smooth top end is essential, but the make and break of a mic is it’s mid range. Some 251 clones sound to scooped in the mids and have a smiley face response. I imagine this 251 doesn’t suffer from that issue. |
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Post by msr74 on Mar 9, 2024 4:10:43 GMT -6
Josephson cap sounds fantastic as well. Very balanced and smooth and wide. I guess 3D would be a better term. There is a really nice dimensionality to it that really pushes the vocal forward. One thing a mono mic cannot be is 3D …. by definition A smooth top end is essential, but the make and break of a mic is it’s mid range. Some 251 clones sound to scooped in the mids and have a smiley face response. I imagine this 251 doesn’t suffer from that issue. I understand your analogy. It has large soundstage if that is a little clearer and is sensitive but forgiving. Great reach as well. |
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 9, 2024 5:35:02 GMT -6
One thing a mono mic cannot be is 3D …. by definition A smooth top end is essential, but the make and break of a mic is it’s mid range. Some 251 clones sound to scooped in the mids and have a smiley face response. I imagine this 251 doesn’t suffer from that issue. I understand your analogy. It has large soundstage if that is a little clearer and is sensitive but forgiving. Great reach as well. I imagine you’re saying it has a very wide bandwidth top to bottom. Real 251’s are fabulous tools. I’ve always been a bit disappointed with clones as they never seem to get the mid range right and just go for a fashionably extended bottom and top end, which isn’t really what I think is the magic of a 251. Perhaps this clone has nailed it David Bocks 251 had a lot of the magic of the original. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Mar 10, 2024 0:18:00 GMT -6
Paul or anyone else, have you compared the AMI vs Moby in a 251 circuit? I had a queue lined up but Moby’s nailed it first time so the others are waiting for the next projects. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Mar 10, 2024 0:20:49 GMT -6
I had a Poctop 251 it was an earlier model and bit too raw DIY 'ish. I want in love with the capacitor, valve, capsule combo and being a modified chinese power supply unit looked a little nasty. But that was 10 x years ago. AMI Xformers sound different to Haufe ones. AMI's are beefier in size and add a bit more to the low end, Well thats what I felt from using them. No idea about Mobys' stuff. The OPR top end is a little extended past the Vintech. I would have to get a decent singer in to demo all 3 and see what they sound like. That is not going to happen anytime soon. I dont have any files available to post. Yes it’s the low end I’m waiting to witness. |
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