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Post by chessparov on Mar 30, 2023 12:43:39 GMT -6
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Mar 31, 2023 16:25:26 GMT -6
Surprised they are using an Electro Harmonixs 12ay7. Not normally highly regarded for a 251 or c12 circuit, but I have build both with EH and like their sound. Very beautiful microphone. One day i'll get my hand of one of your capsules for my own build Tim.  |
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Post by timcampbell on Mar 31, 2023 17:11:02 GMT -6
Surprised they are using an Electro Harmonixs 12ay7. Not normally highly regarded for a 251 or c12 circuit, but I have build both with EH and like their sound. Very beautiful microphone. One day i'll get my hand of one of your capsules for my own build Tim. I was surprised by that too and thought that I would want to exchange it for one of my GE 5 star 6072 tubes but it sounds great. I may switch it just to hear if there is any change. |
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Post by chessparov on Mar 31, 2023 17:37:19 GMT -6
What do you call a tube, that's successfully passed Tim's inspection? A graduated cylinder! Chris |
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Post by paulcheeba on Mar 31, 2023 19:46:00 GMT -6
IMHO the Bock (and presumably the new UA branding)... Might well be the most different in tone (darker end of Spectrum). The current T-Funk for example, seemed brighter than the Bock. Their 251 model seemed quite a bit Darker to me than it. Tim's capsule that was in the FLEA 12, sounded more Neutral to me, years ago. Feel free to "school me"  if indicated. Chris The Bock sounds darker perhaps because it goes down to 10hz and lets in a lot of bass compared to the others. But with a cutoff, it will appear brighter. The Soundelux versions I have used with the 6072 tubes have all had a sweet high end to them with that bass that goes for days. I believe Bock put out the 151 and some other cardioid variants where the bass is cutoff at 30hz. I sure hope I get to see you at NAMM! This is true, it’s all about balance. I got a cheap pair of TFunk AR-51’s used and put some nice military tubes in them, I got them sounding surprisingly like the Bocks I have but they had that AR bass lite thing going on compared to the Bock’s. Anyway those AR-51 are great mics for the money with some classier tubes in (I wanted a pair to match well) and a pultec bass boost. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 1, 2023 10:31:31 GMT -6
Surprised they are using an Electro Harmonixs 12ay7. Not normally highly regarded for a 251 or c12 circuit, but I have build both with EH and like their sound. Very beautiful microphone. One day i'll get my hand of one of your capsules for my own build Tim. I was surprised by that too and thought that I would want to exchange it for one of my GE 5 star 6072 tubes but it sounds great. I may switch it just to hear if there is any change. I actually am not surprised. I’ve heard very good things of that Electro-Harmonix in 251 and C12 type mics; short of a good NOS 6072. |
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 1, 2023 12:16:21 GMT -6
I actually am not surprised. I’ve heard very good things of that Electro-Harmonix in 251 and C12 type mics; short of a good NOS 6072. Well I think it was mentioned here that Heiserman is using an TAD 6072 so that would be an EH or JJ though I may be wrong. These days it is just too hard to do a production mic using a NOS GE 6072. They are just too expensive and dodgy quality. I'm glad to see that there are some tubes available that can sound this good.
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Post by drbill on Apr 1, 2023 14:41:11 GMT -6
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 1, 2023 17:17:46 GMT -6
Another thing about the FLEA Ela M 251 is that they went through a lot of time and expense to build their own T14/1 transformer. They also make their own exact copies of all the correct connectors as you see in the pics I posted at the begining.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 2, 2023 19:11:11 GMT -6
How is this mic not called the FleaLam 251?
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Post by Ward on Apr 3, 2023 15:16:41 GMT -6
The Bock sounds darker perhaps because it goes down to 10hz and lets in a lot of bass compared to the others. But with a cutoff, it will appear brighter. The Soundelux versions I have used with the 6072 tubes have all had a sweet high end to them with that bass that goes for days I believe Bock put out the 151 and some other cardioid variants where the bass is cutoff at 30hz [granpa simpson mode] What's the point of going down to 10hz? WE can't hear it, nothing most people have reproduces it and it makes little to no difference on the octave above it. All the extensions up and down do nothing but chew up audio real estate and don't contribute anything of value. The vast majority of people can't hear anything but 30hz to 12khz by the time they're 30. Most of the that is the midrange and that's where all the magic takes place anyhow. Reminds me of days working in and with ad agencies where client approval of the designer jellybeans you offered determined your worth. [abe simpson mode off] Everyone I knew who ever owned a Soundelux version 151, spoke very highly of it . . . as did other microphone makers or repairmen. |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 3, 2023 19:32:54 GMT -6
Why did the jellybean go to school?
To become a Smartie.
Chris
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Post by wave on Apr 7, 2023 18:41:38 GMT -6
I actually am not surprised. I’ve heard very good things of that Electro-Harmonix in 251 and C12 type mics; short of a good NOS 6072. Well I think it was mentioned here that Heiserman is using an TAD 6072 so that would be an EH or JJ though I may be wrong. These days it is just too hard to do a production mic using a NOS GE 6072. They are just too expensive and dodgy quality. I'm glad to see that there are some tubes available that can sound this good.
Yes Tim, we are using the TAD Highgrade premium Selected 6072 valve. It is a JJ - new production. The Tad highgrade units are very consistent. I agree, using an NOS 6072 is not ony cost prohibitive but time prohibitive...Sourcing them is a full time job. I chose the TAD during my development comparing to about 10 different NOS and evergreen 6072 units including 2 GE 5 star units from 1954 and 1955. While i loved the sound of the GE units, I actually preferred the TAD valves. I also asked a good friend Craig Alvin to consider each sample and he agreed with me. |
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Post by wave on Apr 7, 2023 18:52:17 GMT -6
Another thing about the FLEA Ela M 251 is that they went through a lot of time and expense to build their own T14/1 transformer. They also make their own exact copies of all the correct connectors as you see in the pics I posted at the begining. I'm curious about the Flea T14/11 unit... I am extremely happy with ours which is a dead hit of a pristine 1961 variant. I was wondering if you would post a pic with the amp covers off? Do I see some electros in there? Also, regarding your vintage unit, what value id the swapped output coupler? Oooh and does your vintage unit have the extra 200R grid resistor? I am super into all the different ways you see vintage 251 units now...
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2023 18:56:25 GMT -6
How do you tell if the No tax thing works for your state?
Front End Audio is not currently required to collect or report sales tax for purchases made outside of South Carolina. In all other states, you are responsible for reporting and paying your taxes. If you're a South Carolina-based organization that qualifies for sales-tax exemption, please give Front End Audio a call for assistance with your order."I know the whole "paying taxes" discussion is present here in other threads. I guess I should qualify it by saying you won't be charged tax on your order by FEA. Your decision on paying it is another matter. Best is to contact them to validate, but it appears everyone qualifies. They are another great organization with a 30-day return policy on virtually anything, regardless of price. They've been good and easy to work with. I see a dealer who is going to end up with a bunch of states getting pissed! |
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2023 19:02:40 GMT -6
The Bock sounds darker perhaps because it goes down to 10hz and lets in a lot of bass compared to the others. But with a cutoff, it will appear brighter. The Soundelux versions I have used with the 6072 tubes have all had a sweet high end to them with that bass that goes for days I believe Bock put out the 151 and some other cardioid variants where the bass is cutoff at 30hz [granpa simpson mode] What's the point of going down to 10hz? WE can't hear it, nothing most people have reproduces it and it makes little to no difference on the octave above it. All the extensions up and down do nothing but chew up audio real estate and don't contribute anything of value. The vast majority of people can't hear anything but 30hz to 12khz by the time they're 30. Most of the that is the midrange and that's where all the magic takes place anyhow. Reminds me of days working in and with ad agencies where client approval of the designer jellybeans you offered determined your worth. [abe simpson mode off] Everyone I knew who ever owned a Soundelux version 151, spoke very highly of it . . . as did other microphone makers or repairmen. I’ll take a guess, at 10 HZ the filter is out of the range of hearing so it doesn’t effect the phase response in the audible range and still keeps a bunch of garbage out. |
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 7, 2023 19:52:38 GMT -6
Another thing about the FLEA Ela M 251 is that they went through a lot of time and expense to build their own T14/1 transformer. They also make their own exact copies of all the correct connectors as you see in the pics I posted at the begining. I'm curious about the Flea T14/11 unit... I am extremely happy with ours which is a dead hit of a pristine 1961 variant. I was wondering if you would post a pic with the amp covers off? Do I see some electros in there? Also, regarding your vintage unit, what value id the swapped output coupler? Oooh and does your vintage unit have the extra 200R grid resistor? I am super into all the different ways you see vintage 251 units now...
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Now that you mention it Dave I have never seen a component side pic of the Heiserman H251 or it's transformer.
Right now I'm swamped but maybe after I get back from NAMM I'll have time.
FLEA have clearer pics on their homepage.
I am glad to hear that the JJ tube sounds good. My own experience with JJ's 6072 tube has not been positive but that is a while ago . When they first started manufacturing this tube I was excited that new versions were available so I got some. They were ok but they didn't last. In 6 months they sounded like a different tube and their internal structure is so different from the original. It seems that over the years they have made some great improvements. I will definitely check them out again.
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Post by ab101 on Apr 7, 2023 19:55:23 GMT -6
In my use of the Soundelux 251 (several of them) and a couple of the 151s, the Soundelux 251 had noticeable more bass even though I cannot hear down to 10hz. Maybe it has something to do with the 20-30hz range where it is suppose to have more than the 151, or maybe it has something else to do with the frequency curve about 30hz. I do not know. I just know the Soundelux 251 has a lot of bass, requires a great rumble free set up and perhaps when all is said and done, some hpf. Both the 251 and 151 are super mics. There is also a 250 but I never tried it.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 8, 2023 7:01:28 GMT -6
Well please all of you take this with a grain of salt since I make the capsule for this mic and this is no reflection on anyone else's product, I have not heard the Upton, Heisermann, OPR, Golden age... but this things sounds like WOW! It is so creamy and sexy that I put it up and sang for an hour straight. It is already my favorite vocal mic and right now it sounds better than my original. I may have to look at some of my vintage's components as they are almost completely from 1959. It is louder and quieter than my vintage , very, very quiet in fact. As I said I have a dog in this fight so I'd recommend you try to audition one for yourself. I will try to make some sound files but as I said I am swamped and don't have recording setup in order right now. Wow, it looks great and I bet it sounds really great too. And I can believe it sounds better than your original. My Wunder CM7 (M7 cap) sounds better than some original 47’s I’ve recorded with. Some of those vintage mics are getting very, very old! I’d love a FLEA 251 …. it’s on the radar |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 8, 2023 11:44:08 GMT -6
"sang for an hour straight" Tim. Hmm... Was it all George Straight? Or also a bit of Glen Campbell thrown in? Chris |
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Post by Ward on Apr 8, 2023 14:50:44 GMT -6
"sang for an hour straight" Tim. Hmm... Was it all George Straight? Or also a bit of Glen Campbell thrown in? Chris I'll bet that hour was a good time |
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 8, 2023 15:02:35 GMT -6
I'll bet that hour was a good time It was!
Here's a little religious tune I sang with a few Nashville guys a while back. Johnnny Neel is playing organ and the great Timm Biery on drums. Fitting for Easter.
Happy Easter y'all.
This is a U87ai into an ADAT! Ha.
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Post by unit7 on Sept 26, 2023 15:16:29 GMT -6
Recorded with this gem again today and love it. I need a shock mount though and a new cable but Flea don't make a connector, other than the original swivel, that fit on the mic side of the cable, so any tips on how to get a non swivel connector?
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Post by timcampbell on Sept 26, 2023 16:48:56 GMT -6
Recorded with this gem again today and love it. I need a shock mount though and a new cable but Flea don't make a connector, other than the original swivel, that fit on the mic side of the cable, so any tips on how to get a non swivel connector? I have been able to find a few of these NOS tuchel connectors on Reverb from time to time but really you could continue using the connector with a shock mount the same as most people do with U47s
Your current female insert would fit these housings.
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Post by paulcheeba on Sept 26, 2023 19:27:39 GMT -6
I see they even sent you a cheap toob too Tim ;-)
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