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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 10:46:36 GMT -6
So, circumstances have changed again and I could do with raising some $$$'s. Out of the following list if you were in my position what would you consider selling and what would you avoid selling at all costs?
Shelford Channel Stam SA-69 UA 6176 4X RND 551 Acme XLA500 Chandler Opto IGS Tubecore X2
Gainlabs Empress Bettermaker mastering limiter MOTU 1248 + 16A (Already up for sale) Sennheiser MD441 (Will probably put it up for sale)
I did think about selling my Dynaudio Core 59's but I don't think I could find anything cheap enough to replace them.
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Post by sean on Mar 18, 2023 11:22:05 GMT -6
Well, I’d say if you like the Stam I’d hold on to that because I don’t believe they are making them any more and would be hard to find. Everything else if it’s not essential to your workflow I’d sell because they are easily replaceable
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Post by drumsound on Mar 18, 2023 11:25:48 GMT -6
Without knowing your work situation (producing, tracking, mixing) priorities it's a little hard to gauge. The RND and Chandler pieces are probably the easiest to sell. The companies has a solid rep and people know what to expect. I know cats at RND, and those things should be available for a good long while, should you be back in the position to replace them. MOTU should go easily as they have been around forever. Same for the UA. The other pieces, though known aren't as widely thought/talked about. That means they probably won't sell as quickly.
I've already sent a PM about the 441
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2023 12:15:00 GMT -6
If its for money, sell what will get you the most money quickly and don’t t look back: nothing is gaining on you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 12:33:24 GMT -6
If its for money, sell what will get you the most money quickly and don’t t look back: nothing is gaining on you. Issue is Kcat I've spent years trying to afford and put this setup together. There's are some bits where I question do I really need this? Also I'd rather have the money..
drumsound, I've tried to get more and more out the box over the years although it's a hybrid setup. The first four channel comps, mixer, dyn's and the 2-bus strip is what I'd like to keep. A part of it is to avoid latency or delay compensation issues, pro tools studio is a pain with inserts and Logic had compensation issues.. I mean at this stage they might work as intended but I'd rather just avoid it if at all possible and irrelevant of all of that I like the way they sound.
The rest is somewhat unnecessary I guess, I like the Shelford channel a lot but it's not going to make or break a track it just works well with a lot of mic's. For the price I could get something a lot cheaper that works well. The 6176 I hardly use so that's leading towards a definite, I might see what KMR can do as there's a RND 511 series mic pre pack and later on I could use the 500 space for other stuff. In fact I think it would be more ideal as I don't even use the compressor on the Shelford..
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2023 12:45:37 GMT -6
I understand, that’s why I said if!
What are you selling for ?
Are your prized pieces, more valuable to you, then their street value: then keep em, but, the truth is almost all gear can be replaced.
It’s really more a question of parting out a cherished studio: being such sweet sorrow.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 18, 2023 12:52:27 GMT -6
Don’t sell your Dyns - you worked too hard for too long to find those monitors!
I thought I’d remembered you saying how important the Shelfords were to you over the years, too, so I was going to say keep those two pieces at all costs, and anything else could go.
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Post by ericn on Mar 18, 2023 13:11:05 GMT -6
Sucks Danny, you have to do what you have to do to keep a roof over your head ( and gear) as well as eat.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 18, 2023 13:33:54 GMT -6
I found that finding the compressor you prefer is quite difficult. If you love the Chandler, keep it, if not, sell. There are plenty of good compressors around that are relatively reasonable.
Same with monitors, if you really like them, try to keep them. I've sold many things in the last few years to cover moving costs and medical bills. I regret having to sell my monitors more than any of the other rare and beloved pieces I hated to part with. The monitors affected my work more.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 18, 2023 22:11:47 GMT -6
Don’t sell your Dyns - you worked too hard for too long to find those monitors! I thought I’d remembered you saying how important the Shelfords were to you over the years, too, so I was going to say keep those two pieces at all costs, and anything else could go. I 100% agree with this. |
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Post by brenta on Mar 18, 2023 23:59:30 GMT -6
I love analog EQs, but I even I have to admit they are a luxury. You can probably get by without the RND 551s, or at least reduce to a pair or a single. They show up on the used market often, so it would be easy to add them back later.
In general I would sell monitors and mics last, they are the key to the operation and can't replaced with plugins.
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Post by copperx on Mar 19, 2023 1:54:17 GMT -6
I love analog EQs, but I even I have to admit they are a luxury. Do you feel that even if they're inductor EQs with transformers and/or opamps? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 7:23:44 GMT -6
Yep, I was enjoying just listening to Dyn's last night and felt the need to wax poetic again so they're staying at least. I appreciate all the advice thus far..
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Post by brenta on Mar 19, 2023 10:41:59 GMT -6
I love analog EQs, but I even I have to admit they are a luxury. Do you feel that even if they're inductor EQs with transformers and/or opamps? Yes. And since he has the EQ in the Shelford Channel—it’s super luxurious. I own some analog EQs and I’ve owned the RND 551, but they definitely aren’t necessary to make great sounding music, and definitely not multiple channels. Nice to have and fun to use, but that’s where I would trim the fat. My monitors would be the last thing I would sell. All in IMHO of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 11:13:58 GMT -6
They’re not going to make you money so sell all except what you like tonally on your voice on the way in.
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 19, 2023 12:07:21 GMT -6
Yep, I was enjoying just listening to Dyn's last night and felt the need to wax poetic again so they're staying at least. I appreciate all the advice thus far.. I’ve thought if I ever have a big sale the last thing to leave will be the ATC 25a’s. The reason being if I was going ITB to mix then accurate reference monitoring is going to become even more critical !! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 12:11:49 GMT -6
Don’t sell your Dyns - you worked too hard for too long to find those monitors! I thought I’d remembered you saying how important the Shelfords were to you over the years, too, so I was going to say keep those two pieces at all costs, and anything else could go. They are really cool but it's all about the EQ's and pre-amp section for me. Are the Portico pre-amps worse (511), better, similar? Anyone know? They are certainly a lot cheaper. |
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 19, 2023 13:18:32 GMT -6
Don’t sell your Dyns - you worked too hard for too long to find those monitors! I thought I’d remembered you saying how important the Shelfords were to you over the years, too, so I was going to say keep those two pieces at all costs, and anything else could go. They are really cool but it's all about the EQ's and pre-amp section for me. Are the Portico pre-amps worse (511), better, similar? Anyone know? They are certainly a lot cheaper. Have you got a pair of Shelfords? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 14:03:23 GMT -6
Have you got a pair of Shelfords? No, I got rid of one last year because the SSL Big Six really changed the landscape in terms of flexible workflow and made a few things redundant. For example I used the two Shelford's for line instrument tracking, vocals etc. as part of a 19" "channel strip" I never loved the bridge diode so I had another rack opto in the chain. With the SSL I can record post EQ / insert so the comps in the loop on channel 1 - 4 can also be used as a channel strip. I prefer the 551's but only to an extent, the SSL EQ's whilst somewhat inflexible for mixing is perfect for tracking.
So the only thing that's really needed is the pre-amp section of the Shelford and it's very expensive to keep around for that use only. I mean thinking about this I could reduce, downsize, free up some rack space and end up with a better workflow solution and move my 2X Tubecore's to the 2-bus chain and sell the Neve 33609, replace the Stam 2A (which is currently in the Shelford chain) with another Acme for use in a stereo pair with other line instruments like keyboard.
So far I've asked for a trade in quote for the 6176, MOTU's, Shelford and MD-441. So everything has a silver lining, better setup and get some money back. Looking at the API 3122V or GR MP2NV to replace the Shelford / 6176.
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 19, 2023 14:43:17 GMT -6
Have you got a pair of Shelfords? No, I got rid of one last year because the SSL Big Six really changed the landscape in terms of flexible workflow and made a few things redundant. For example I used the two Shelford's for line instrument tracking, vocals etc. as part of a 19" "channel strip" I never loved the bridge diode so I had another rack opto in the chain. With the SSL I can record post EQ / insert so the comps in the loop on channel 1 - 4 can also be used as a channel strip. I prefer the 551's but only to an extent, the SSL EQ's whilst somewhat inflexible for mixing is perfect for tracking.
So the only thing that's really needed is the pre-amp section of the Shelford and it's very expensive to keep around for that use only. I mean thinking about this I could reduce, downsize, free up some rack space and end up with a better workflow solution and move my 2X Tubecore's to the 2-bus chain and sell the Neve 33609, replace the Stam 2A (which is currently in the Shelford chain) with another Acme for use in a stereo pair with other line instruments like keyboard.
So far I've asked for a trade in quote for the 6176, MOTU's, Shelford and MD-441. So everything has a silver lining, better setup and get some money back. Looking at the API 3122V or GR MP2NV to replace the Shelford / 6176.
Makes sense. I have a Millennia STT-1 which has gotten really expensive to buy new these days. I only use it for the two pre's (tube and solid state) and the tube DI which is the best bass DI I have ever heard in 40 years of recording! I never use the EQ when tracking and unfortunately the opto compressor in it is a bit lack luster (a lot lack luster actually!) Fortunately is has a direct out for the pre's and DI but like you I have thought this is an expensive piece to be never using the EQ and compressor. That Shelford channel though, it's extremely high quality kit! |
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Post by smashlord on Mar 19, 2023 16:06:34 GMT -6
I would sell whatever is current production and easy to get again. I feel the Shelford channel would be worth keeping over the 551s, personally. I had a Shelford channel and I felt the weakest part was the EQ, but thats my personal taste.
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Post by hadaja on Mar 19, 2023 16:23:07 GMT -6
Rnd 511 are on the cleaner side of things. Not clean like Grace pre’s but clean and work well. The silk knob helps for a little saturation, tonal change but subtle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 17:19:26 GMT -6
That Shelford channel though, it's extremely high quality kit! Yeah but sometimes you have cut through the self imposed crap, nobody needs a $4K pre-amp.. Like ever.
It's always one extreme to the other for me, SSL console & ATC's -> Mbox, UA and cheap monitors -> Big ol' hybrid setup w/ the Core 59's. A lot of my less than stellar recordings came from cheaping out completely as for a short while I followed the mantra equipment and instruments etc. don't matter. I went completely ITB / VI's back in the day when plugins weren't all that great, today however things have changed a lot.
I'll get the balance right one day I'm sure..
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 19, 2023 17:22:16 GMT -6
As a pre aside, I’d like to demo Grace and Hardy.
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 20, 2023 2:54:44 GMT -6
As a pre aside, I’d like to demo Grace and Hardy. I'd add Millennia to that. I have their STT-1 and the pre's on it a really superb. They are my go to for Classical/Spanish guitar. Millennia's solid state pre is industry standard for classical music recordings. Peter Gabriel is using a 47 into a Millennia pre for vocals! The tube side of the STT-1 is really special too (totally different to the Coil pre's) it's a very wide dynamic range and just a bit softer than the SS side. There's one more pre that totally overlooked that I demoed and it sounded honestly within a hair as great as my Millennia. www.davelectronics.com/bg1.htmHuge bargain for a stereo pre and although it's IC based is sounds absolutely stella imho. |
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