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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 19, 2023 21:43:19 GMT -6
I'm not joining the cult but I did show up for a meeting. And you know what? If you just give it a chance, those people do have a point. It's not a pyramid scheme... it would have worked if you had just signed more people up!!! But seriously, a couple bullet points. Maybe these are things that I could have done with other DAW's but never figured out? Let's roll the tape... - Having one track type with unlimited routing possibilities is pretty sick once you get used to it. No busses or aux or whatever. Not even mono vs stereo. And the wire matrix view is not only super cool, it's really helpful to visualize. I do pretty complicated routing as part of sending outs to my summing mixer. This was super easy to set up without the software guessing what I'm trying to do and messing it all up. - Multiple rows on the mixer? Yes please! So cool. - I know you can do this in other software but hiding tracks from mixer or arrange view or both or whatever is super easy. Way easier than S1 which itself is way easier than (il)Logic. I don't want to see that f***'n aux track... and why do I have two Master tracks now?  (I used Logic for 8 years, I know how to get around all that... but I just hate that in all its products Apple tries to outthink me, even though I love their products.) - The various user themes are fun but I ended up going back to the new V6 theme for testing. It's pretty clean and I like doing my own customizations which you often can't with some aspects of the user ones. This is definitely the most customizable GUI out there. Hands down. S1 is second place but this is next level. - The ability to customize what is in the Track Control Panel (Reaper-eze for the buttons to the left of the waveforms in a project/arrange view) is really awesome. I've landed on a pretty crowded view because I decided to undock my mixer view and send it to my iPad and place that above my Faderport. So now with the rest in full screen, it's not crowded, is fully featured and none of the stuff I don't use. - I thought I would miss various low latency options that other DAW's have but this thing is so fast so far that I don't need them. I overdubbed an organ part (the IK b3 which is not fast folks...) on top of a project with about 15 tracks with complicated routing along with 4 hardware inserts, 7 instances of Console 1, an instance of 7th Heaven, one of Hitsville Chambers, and one of Pure Plate. Also running about 4 or 5 other random plugs. And.... smooth as butter. No glitches, hiccups, or anything. Very. Impressive. (I'm not sure how this works. The best I can figure is that the DAW itself has, like, zero overhead so it's just the controller, the VST, and the other plugs doing their thing as designed. That VST takes about 15 seconds to load in Logic or S1. It's got to be the worst code ever even though it sounds great. Reaper seems unbothered by the sloppy code from the folks at IK.) - Audio editing is almost as easy as S1 or Logic (both of which are really good at this) but Reaper is noticeably snappier. It's just fast. Don't know how else to say it. Waveforms draw fast, everything is fast. - I really like that the stock plugs are just parameters. Your plug is supposed to be the plugin equivalent of table salt, don't try to mess with me and throw a picture of the Adriatic Sea on the box. I know it's just bog standard table salt and I'm ok with that. Oh yeah... last thing. Everyone talks about how fast it loads and I'm like "so what?" Welp, it loads really, really fast and for some reason that's very nice. I never realized how much I'm keeping programs open just to avoid the time it takes for them to shut down and turn back on again. Reaper is like closing and opening a browser window. Maybe not quite that fast, but close. I could go on. Still not totally sure I'm sold on it, but I'm very very surprised at how much I like this. And also, the layout is pretty nice once you go into advanced settings and enable "dark mode" to get rid of the super tacky white menu headers. It's a little weird that it's 80% flat and 20% skeuomorphic but it really doesn't bother me all that much (and everything bothers me... sorry "me" but it's true, somebody has to say it). |
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Post by christopher on Feb 19, 2023 21:53:56 GMT -6
I don’t know if every DAW has this now… The best feature is file>new project tab
That allows you to move between open projects just like a browser.
You can even play them in the background. All audio references= in a seperate open project now. And all comping: open a new project tab, edit like crazy, copy paste the final back to original project.
Mastering.. album on one session, other songs can be open as projects for touch ups.
I also just like to record random ideas while I’m working and going insane.. new project tab I can take a break and screw around
It’s a deep program. Right click anywhere you don’t like, chances are the options to fix it are in right click
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 19, 2023 21:57:46 GMT -6
I don’t know if every DAW has this now… The best feature is file>new project tab That allows you to move between open projects just like a browser. You can even play them in the background. All audio references= in a seperate open project now. And all comping: open a new project tab, edit like crazy, copy paste the final back to original project. Mastering.. album on one session, other songs can be open as projects for touch ups. i also just like to record random ideas while I’m workjng.. new project tab I can take a break and screw around It’s a deep program. Right click anywhere you don’t like, chances are the options to fix it are in right click That's one of the things I like about Studio One, moving between open projects. And dragging and dropping files between projects. It works but it's not as snappy as Reaper. The multiple open projects thing in Reaper is as fast as any mastering tool. Oh yeah, monitoring FX. WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE DO IT LIKE THIS??? (Looking at you Logic...S1 and Cubase at least have Listen Bus and whatever Cubase calls it) |
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Post by svart on Feb 19, 2023 22:51:53 GMT -6
Welcome to the cult. We meet on Wednesdays. You bring the coffee and donuts next week.
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Post by peterhess on Feb 19, 2023 23:08:28 GMT -6
Can you talk about hardware insert? Does it ping rt/insert delay like Logic?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 19, 2023 23:34:20 GMT -6
Welcome to the cult. We meet on Wednesdays. You bring the coffee and donuts next week. I hit my buddy up who has a studio in Toronto... we've been friends for maybe 17 years or something. Turns out he secretly switched from Cubase to Reaper a few months ago but didn't want to tell anyone. Haha. Cult indeed... |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 19, 2023 23:36:11 GMT -6
Can you talk about hardware insert? Does it ping rt/insert delay like Logic? It's actually a bit better than Logic. It's more like Studio One in the sense that it has Mix blend and also in the sense that it's really easy to save the plugin as a name that means something. So in S1 or Reaper I can have a plugin called "OptoComp" that's really just Reinsert (or Pipline XT in Studio One). So yeah, it's like Logic but less confusing when you have a mix with lots of instances. (Cubase also does this better than Logic, can't speak for others.) |
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Post by RealNoob on Feb 20, 2023 0:04:22 GMT -6
Oh yeah... last thing. Everyone talks about how fast it loads and I'm like "so what?" Welp, it loads really, really fast and for some reason that's very nice. I never realized how much I'm keeping programs open just to avoid the time it takes for them to shut down and turn back on again. Reaper is like closing and opening a browser window. Maybe not quite that fast, but close. Yes, Reaper is super light on resources - could run off of a thumbdrive. Its rock-solid stability is why I have used for live recording for over a decade. 32 tracks for 2 hours, no biggie. Not a single failure or error. |
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Post by svart on Feb 20, 2023 7:59:36 GMT -6
Welcome to the cult. We meet on Wednesdays. You bring the coffee and donuts next week. I hit my buddy up who has a studio in Toronto... we've been friends for maybe 17 years or something. Turns out he secretly switched from Cubase to Reaper a few months ago but didn't want to tell anyone. Haha. Cult indeed... When you switch to reaper, there's no cultist ceremony. The right of passage is all the haters coming out of the woodwork to give you all their reasons you shouldn't use it, which is why a lot of users stay quiet about it.. |
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Post by mcirish on Feb 20, 2023 8:46:48 GMT -6
I use Nuendo, but once a year I give Reaper a couple hours. So far, I just don't click with it. This does remind me it's time to check it out again. I think I would really miss the vari-Audio feature of Nuendo. I work with a lot of developing artists. There's never been a time that i didn't have to fix some vocals. Vari-Audio is super fast. I believe I'd have to change to Melodyne if I was on Reaper and then relearn how to fix stuff fast.
I will free up some time this week to drive around Reaper again. Last time, I got too confused when things didn't work as I expected. Maybe the learning curve was too great in previous years, but I'm will to look at it again.
On a totally shallow side note... Reaper is damn ugly to me. If I'm staring at a screen all day, I'd sure like graphics that don't look like Windows 95.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 20, 2023 9:42:19 GMT -6
Reaper is super light on resources - could run off of a thumbdrive. Its rock-solid stability is why I have used for live recording for over a decade. 32 tracks for 2 hours, no biggie. Not a single failure or error. That's what'd win me..... |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 20, 2023 9:47:01 GMT -6
I use Nuendo, but once a year I give Reaper a couple hours. So far, I just don't click with it. This does remind me it's time to check it out again. I think I would really miss the vari-Audio feature of Nuendo. I work with a lot of developing artists. There's never been a time that i didn't have to fix some vocals. Vari-Audio is super fast. I believe I'd have to change to Melodyne if I was on Reaper and then relearn how to fix stuff fast. I will free up some time this week to drive around Reaper again. Last time, I got too confused when things didn't work as I expected. Maybe the learning curve was too great in previous years, but I'm will to look at it again. On a totally shallow side note... Reaper is damn ugly to me. If I'm staring at a screen all day, I'd sure like graphics that don't look like Windows 95. I've never used VariAudio though everyone says it's great. I have used Melodyne and it is super easy and also great. I doubt you'd miss much there. I'm the same way in terms of needing visuals I can tolerate. Everyone will tell you to look at user themes (and you should, they're insanely easy to install... I don't even understand how the magic works it's so easy) but I actually went a different route in my weekend of trying this out. I ended up liking the new V6 theme but I tweaked the sliders to desaturate everything (by a lot) and spent some time removing elements I wouldn't use. I'll try to post screenshots later when I get back to my studio computer. What I ended up with is not that far off from the look of Nuendo or Studio One. Certainly not ugly. One REALLY important tip which was a game changer once I figured it out. You must go into the advanced UI settings and enable "dark mode" compatibility. There's also a setting that removes (or shrinks) the headers on floating windows. This is key. Until you do that there are gigantic, stark white bars around all your windows and in the background of every menu. Windows 95 all the way. This was the turning point for me visually. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 20, 2023 9:48:38 GMT -6
Reaper is super light on resources - could run off of a thumbdrive. Its rock-solid stability is why I have used for live recording for over a decade. 32 tracks for 2 hours, no biggie. Not a single failure or error. That's what'd win me..... That's what has me considering staying. I did some loopback tests compared to S1 and Logic and it just seems like the software adds zero overhead. I have yet to get a fully loaded mix in play but I'm way beyond the point where I would have to start muting FX in order to overdub with my old DAW's and Reaper isn't even breaking a sweat. It's really impressive. |
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Post by ragan on Feb 20, 2023 9:51:32 GMT -6
I hit my buddy up who has a studio in Toronto... we've been friends for maybe 17 years or something. Turns out he secretly switched from Cubase to Reaper a few months ago but didn't want to tell anyone. Haha. Cult indeed... When you switch to reaper, there's no cultist ceremony. The right of passage is all the haters coming out of the woodwork to give you all their reasons you shouldn't use it, which is why a lot of users stay quiet about it.. It’s funny, I don’t know if I’ve ever heard anyone say anything bad about Reaper. Maybe a complaint about GUI scaling here or there? But what has been a near certainty in my experience on the forums is that whenever anyone’s talking about any non-Reaper DAW, there are the requisite Reaper dudes talking about how foolish everyone is for not using Reaper. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 20, 2023 9:57:34 GMT -6
When you switch to reaper, there's no cultist ceremony. The right of passage is all the haters coming out of the woodwork to give you all their reasons you shouldn't use it, which is why a lot of users stay quiet about it.. It’s funny, I don’t know if I’ve ever heard anyone say anything bad about Reaper. Maybe a complaint about GUI scaling here or there? But what has been a near certainty in my experience on the forums is that whenever anyone’s talking about any non-Reaper DAW, there are the requisite Reaper dudes talking about how foolish everyone is for not using Reaper. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I think I was turned off by Reaper because my impression was that it was made for college kids making EDM with cracked plugins. And there is a fair bit of that based on what I'm seeing on the forums and YouTube. But that's like hating on WordPress back in the day because there were a bunch of crappy sites made with it. WordPress is actually what Reaper reminds me of. I remember when that was first taking off and my dad was all-in on it (he's a serious tech guy). I was like "dad, this is so beneath you" and he was basically like "this thing is so powerful, it's going to change the web." Obviously he was right. But unlike WordPress, Reaper is actually much more of a pro piece of software than any other (IMHO). It's the standard set of DAW's that lock you behind rigid structures because they think you'll screw it all up if you're allowed to build things the way you want to. |
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Post by bossanova on Feb 20, 2023 10:28:53 GMT -6
Reaper is fantastic. I've used it almost exclusively for 10 years and there's never been another DAW I've gotten along as well with.
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Post by svart on Feb 20, 2023 10:49:14 GMT -6
When you switch to reaper, there's no cultist ceremony. The right of passage is all the haters coming out of the woodwork to give you all their reasons you shouldn't use it, which is why a lot of users stay quiet about it.. It’s funny, I don’t know if I’ve ever heard anyone say anything bad about Reaper. Maybe a complaint about GUI scaling here or there? But what has been a near certainty in my experience on the forums is that whenever anyone’s talking about any non-Reaper DAW, there are the requisite Reaper dudes talking about how foolish everyone is for not using Reaper. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ How witty to turn it around! But seriously, when people unironically call you "in a cult" in threads.. that's meant to turn others off the product.. I've seen the "it's for edm kids" and "it's not professional" or I've even seen " you never see pro studios using it" right here on this forum from some very pro-PT folks, which is generally a way for folks to justify the high expense of their DAW.. But I've also seen some pretty nasty insults on some FB recording/engineering pages. And then years of GS.. plenty of haters there. Like I said, reaper users end up being louder because everybody dismisses it out of hand so we speak up when folks try to drown us out so that folks hear that it IS a viable and usually superior product. Almost all reaper users came from something else and the epiphany is strong when you spent years dealing with other programs. It makes you want to preach so others might get out of the rat race too. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 20, 2023 10:56:31 GMT -6
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Post by mcirish on Feb 20, 2023 11:36:02 GMT -6
Those links work. Thanks for the info. That's not very ugly at all :-) |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 20, 2023 11:40:11 GMT -6
Those links work. Thanks for the info. That's not very ugly at all :-) Yeah man... I came into it assuming I'd be dealing with an ugly work flow. Seems like it's really more that the most visible Reaper users out there have a higher tolerance for busy screens than I do. Plus it did used to be really ugly, that's legit... go look at the earliest versions. But then again, PT was a design monstrosity until the newest version. EDIT: I really don't understand why there are these big "metal" faders in the middle of the otherwise flat design language. Same with the transport. Meh... I can live with it. |
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Post by christopher on Feb 20, 2023 11:59:19 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Feb 20, 2023 11:59:29 GMT -6
It’s funny, I don’t know if I’ve ever heard anyone say anything bad about Reaper. Maybe a complaint about GUI scaling here or there? But what has been a near certainty in my experience on the forums is that whenever anyone’s talking about any non-Reaper DAW, there are the requisite Reaper dudes talking about how foolish everyone is for not using Reaper. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ How witty to turn it around! But seriously, when people unironically call you "in a cult" in threads.. that's meant to turn others off the product.. I've seen the "it's for edm kids" and "it's not professional" or I've even seen " you never see pro studios using it" right here on this forum from some very pro-PT folks, which is generally a way for folks to justify the high expense of their DAW.. But I've also seen some pretty nasty insults on some FB recording/engineering pages. And then years of GS.. plenty of haters there. Like I said, reaper users end up being louder because everybody dismisses it out of hand so we speak up when folks try to drown us out so that folks hear that it IS a viable and usually superior product. Almost all reaper users came from something else and the epiphany is strong when you spent years dealing with other programs. It makes you want to preach so others might get out of the rat race too. I didn’t intend any wittiness. And I don’t doubt what you say about what you’ve seen on the forums. I was only pointing out how we can all experience things differently. I guess depending on what forums/threads we frequent and maybe what interactions stick on our memory. I haven’t seen any (that I remember) of the Reaper hate. I haven’t actually seen any DAW hate though, so I must just (thankfully) not be in the kinds of threads where people are touchy about their DAWs. I’ve got nothing against Reaper (or any other DAW). I tried it once, seemed totally fine except that I was completely inexperienced with it so it was clunky for me. Same for any other DAW that I don’t know well though. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 20, 2023 12:08:51 GMT -6
How witty to turn it around! But seriously, when people unironically call you "in a cult" in threads.. that's meant to turn others off the product.. I've seen the "it's for edm kids" and "it's not professional" or I've even seen " you never see pro studios using it" right here on this forum from some very pro-PT folks, which is generally a way for folks to justify the high expense of their DAW.. But I've also seen some pretty nasty insults on some FB recording/engineering pages. And then years of GS.. plenty of haters there. Like I said, reaper users end up being louder because everybody dismisses it out of hand so we speak up when folks try to drown us out so that folks hear that it IS a viable and usually superior product. Almost all reaper users came from something else and the epiphany is strong when you spent years dealing with other programs. It makes you want to preach so others might get out of the rat race too. I didn’t intend any wittiness. And I don’t doubt what you say about what you’ve seen on the forums. I was only pointing out how we can all experience things differently. I guess depending on what forums/threads we frequent and maybe what interactions stick on our memory. I haven’t seen any (that I remember) of the Reaper hate. I haven’t actually seen any DAW hate though, so I must just (thankfully) not be in the kinds of threads where people are touchy about their DAWs. I’ve got nothing against Reaper (or any other DAW). I tried it once, seemed totally fine except that I was completely inexperienced with it so it was clunky for me. Same for any other DAW that I don’t know well though. Lucky you! Yeah, those threads get brutal. It's like religion. And the ProTools people, especially, are ready to burn you at the stake for heresy. "Confess that ProTools is industry standard. CONFESS!!!" EDIT: No offense to the PT people which is about 80% of my friends on the offline world. And you're right, it is industry standard. It's just that in software industry standard usually also means "it sucks". Exhibit A - Windows |
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Post by christopher on Feb 20, 2023 12:10:53 GMT -6
It’s a tool. Reaper can be used a VST plugin inside other DAWs, it works on any computer, even from USB drive. Comes loaded with piles of decent stock plugins of everything except a piano or standard reverb.
I like Luna, I got to mess with it this weekend. If it wasn’t so annoying the pay the play UA world, I’d be diving deep.
I think Reason may be the one for me if I switch. The SSL mixer has everything easily accessible. And the ability to draw patch cables, feels fun.
I’ll always keep Reaper as VST or mastering or video or editing etc etc
Reaper is still working great for me, so no need to change really
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 12:19:11 GMT -6
I didn’t intend any wittiness. And I don’t doubt what you say about what you’ve seen on the forums. I was only pointing out how we can all experience things differently. I guess depending on what forums/threads we frequent and maybe what interactions stick on our memory. I haven’t seen any (that I remember) of the Reaper hate. I haven’t actually seen any DAW hate though, so I must just (thankfully) not be in the kinds of threads where people are touchy about their DAWs. I’ve got nothing against Reaper (or any other DAW). I tried it once, seemed totally fine except that I was completely inexperienced with it so it was clunky for me. Same for any other DAW that I don’t know well though. Lucky you! Yeah, those threads get brutal. It's like religion. And the ProTools people, especially, are ready to burn you at the stake for heresy. "Confess that ProTools is industry standard. CONFESS!!!" EDIT: No offense to the PT people which is about 80% of my friends on the offline world. And you're right, it is industry standard. It's just that in software industry standard usually also means "it sucks". Exhibit A - Windows Pro Tools is far worse than Windows. Microsoft hadn’t outsourced Windows’ development yet. |
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(I used Logic for 8 years, I know how to get around all that... but I just hate that in all its products Apple tries to outthink me, even though I love their products.)
