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Post by drumsound on Nov 24, 2022 23:16:44 GMT -6
I’m a plugin slut. I had to buy this just like I had to buy the Strymon Big Sky plug. The MDWEQ is my go to EQ now and I predict MDWDRC will become my go to compressor too. It does seem like you have every plugin ever made.  |
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Post by viciousbliss on Nov 24, 2022 23:32:33 GMT -6
Jantex had said the MDW Eqs null with Fabfilter. That they’re just a basic digital eq. Maybe the workflow is special?
I’ve already spent on the DS-1 and Unisum before. $400 for this new compressor seems iffy. Is someone going to surpass the existing allegedly transparent compressors every two years now?
What’s the deal with Big Sky? Never heard of it until this post.
The Sontec plugin interests me a lot. The blind test posted with the Madonna track made it very easy for me to identify the Sontec treated file. Just based on using the IK one and Scarlett before. This one sounds like what I would expect an uncompromised version to sound like.
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Post by bgrotto on Nov 25, 2022 17:19:59 GMT -6
Pretty exceptional plugin. I'm calling it my 'stable-maker'. Makes tracks feel better-performed. I'm finding less need for corrective eq, simply controlling dynamics (as though the musicianship was better) and then setting (and forgetting!) the fader level. Love it. I dialed in miraculous results on a super uneven drum performance, hardly needed any eq (previously had needed a LOT of narrow cuts to try to sort out the cymbal resonance mayhem), and then used my 'usual' compressors for tonal and envelope shaping. Best of all: no need for drum samples now. Heck yeah. Genuinely blown away. Spending 5 minutes to dial this in on a channel saves 10 minutes of tweaking multiple plugs and juggling faders. So it feels like a lot of work on one screen, but the payoff will ultimately be a savings in time.
G'damn. Good stuff.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 25, 2022 17:37:00 GMT -6
Pretty exceptional plugin. I'm calling it my 'stable-maker'. Makes tracks feel better-performed. I'm finding less need for corrective eq, simply controlling dynamics (as though the musicianship was better) and then setting (and forgetting!) the fader level. Love it. I dialed in miraculous results on a super uneven drum performance, hardly needed any eq (previously had needed a LOT of narrow cuts to try to sort out the cymbal resonance mayhem), and then used my 'usual' compressors for tonal and envelope shaping. Best of all: no need for drum samples now. Heck yeah. Genuinely blown away. Spending 5 minutes to dial this in on a channel saves 10 minutes of tweaking multiple plugs and juggling faders. So it feels like a lot of work on one screen, but the payoff will ultimately be a savings in time. G'damn. Good stuff. Thanks for these updates, Benny! It's going to be a few days before I have a chance to try it out, so I appreciate hearing others' experiences so far. |
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Post by bgrotto on Nov 25, 2022 18:45:50 GMT -6
Pretty exceptional plugin. I'm calling it my 'stable-maker'. Makes tracks feel better-performed. I'm finding less need for corrective eq, simply controlling dynamics (as though the musicianship was better) and then setting (and forgetting!) the fader level. Love it. I dialed in miraculous results on a super uneven drum performance, hardly needed any eq (previously had needed a LOT of narrow cuts to try to sort out the cymbal resonance mayhem), and then used my 'usual' compressors for tonal and envelope shaping. Best of all: no need for drum samples now. Heck yeah. Genuinely blown away. Spending 5 minutes to dial this in on a channel saves 10 minutes of tweaking multiple plugs and juggling faders. So it feels like a lot of work on one screen, but the payoff will ultimately be a savings in time. G'damn. Good stuff. Thanks for these updates, Benny! It's going to be a few days before I have a chance to try it out, so I appreciate hearing others' experiences so far. Happy to share! I’m honing in on a nice repeatable workflow for the mdw, which is helping me learn the thing. It’s definitely a deep tool! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 21:14:06 GMT -6
Pretty exceptional plugin. I'm calling it my 'stable-maker'. Makes tracks feel better-performed. I'm finding less need for corrective eq, simply controlling dynamics (as though the musicianship was better) and then setting (and forgetting!) the fader level. Love it. I dialed in miraculous results on a super uneven drum performance, hardly needed any eq (previously had needed a LOT of narrow cuts to try to sort out the cymbal resonance mayhem), and then used my 'usual' compressors for tonal and envelope shaping. Best of all: no need for drum samples now. Heck yeah. Genuinely blown away. Spending 5 minutes to dial this in on a channel saves 10 minutes of tweaking multiple plugs and juggling faders. So it feels like a lot of work on one screen, but the payoff will ultimately be a savings in time. G'damn. Good stuff. You can play with the rms path attack and release to make it very aggressive sounding too |
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Post by viciousbliss on Nov 25, 2022 22:16:37 GMT -6
I like this one, but not sure I like it enough for $339. If I use a few mono instances and one stereo, I run out of cpu. Inserting it after my Fusion hardware insert in PT results in a bunch of static for some reason. Every other plugin has worked flawlessly before and after Fusion since I got the Aurora N. Jantex seemed to say this one could be a substitute for his Bus+ hardware. I'm trying to be careful with falling into the plugin trap. So far, I haven't liked the mastering results I got better than Unisum or even liked this better on vocals over the UAD LA2A.
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Post by copperx on Nov 29, 2022 22:32:35 GMT -6
Umm ... is the MDWDRC2 doing any oversampling at all? If it was coded by Paul Frindle, as the rumors said, he wasn't too keen on oversampling.
I wish I could try it to put it under the doctor (I'm interested to see how much it aliases, if at all), but I have no iLok key at the moment.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 30, 2022 1:02:33 GMT -6
Umm ... is the MDWDRC2 doing any oversampling at all? If it was coded by Paul Frindle, as the rumors said, he wasn't too keen on oversampling. I wish I could try it to put it under the doctor (I'm interested to see how much it aliases, if at all), but I have no iLok key at the moment. paging @tomegatherion |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 30, 2022 3:41:21 GMT -6
I’m a plugin slut. I had to buy this just like I had to buy the Strymon Big Sky plug. The MDWEQ is my go to EQ now and I predict MDWDRC will become my go to compressor too. It does seem like you have every plugin ever made. Or says he has had: he’s dated everyone !  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 30, 2022 3:46:40 GMT -6
I like this one, but not sure I like it enough for $339. If I use a few mono instances and one stereo, I run out of cpu. Inserting it after my Fusion hardware insert in PT results in a bunch of static for some reason. Every other plugin has worked flawlessly before and after Fusion since I got the Aurora N. Jantex seemed to say this one could be a substitute for his Bus+ hardware. I'm trying to be careful with falling into the plugin trap. So far, I haven't liked the mastering results I got better than Unisum or even liked this better on vocals over the UAD LA2A. I demoed it here with no problems with my Aurora, can’t say I went wow and $400 for me Cdn is like $600: would be a very hard sell. Right now,$400 usd buys the entire Metrichalo bundle, 6 UA plugs, etc,, its all relative: ymmv ! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2022 14:15:11 GMT -6
Umm ... is the MDWDRC2 doing any oversampling at all? If it was coded by Paul Frindle, as the rumors said, he wasn't too keen on oversampling. I wish I could try it to put it under the doctor (I'm interested to see how much it aliases, if at all), but I have no iLok key at the moment. paging @tomegatherion MDWDRC seems to me to have sidechain oversampling. I remember reading 8x or so? It certainly seems to behave the same dynamically at 88.2 as at 44.1 and 88.2 is cleaner in general as a whole because of the antialias filters in your DAC. I think the sidechain is oversampled and not the audio path but the MDWDRC2 is so low distortion versus a conventional compressor that the aliasing is negligible. Kotelnikov GE’s peak path produces a a good deal more distortion at 1 khz than the MDWDRC’s but oversamples the audio path to 176 or 192 khz to remove aliasing from the gain computer modulating the audio path. also even automation in the daws aliases at 44.1 and 48 khz. That and the anti alias filters in the converter will change the sound even if all your plugs are oversampling to wherever they do internally. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2022 15:24:33 GMT -6
I don’t get the gui criticism either. Functional with all the information compactly presented > pretty for the sake of pretty and stupid displays of ideal compression that isn’t happening like Pro-C2, Flux Solera, or SmartComp2. People love that Fabfilter stuff (like the newer Sonnox plugs have ugh when they’re really just a couple of sliders) but it means that revisions need more clicks because you have to click to select the filter and then select the knob for precise adjustment. When you have constant producer revisions, it adds up!
Then there’s the guis that discourage digital creativity but force you to work within the daw like the various ssl channel strips, the UAD api vision, the Harrison mixbus mixer so you’re hammered into a console workflow hammered into a daw workflow becausr even mixbus is just modded, reskinned ardour and the others still appear on your daw insert list and must be moved with a mouse and display the strips one at a time so you don’t have a flexible desk workflow with a patch bay and don’t get the flexible daw workflow and are stuck with something incredibly limiting
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Post by copperx on Nov 30, 2022 18:45:47 GMT -6
MDWDRC seems to me to have sidechain oversampling. I remember reading 8x or so? How's the CPU hit? I've been reading everywhere it's pretty light on CPU, but 8x oversampling on the signal chain would contradict that. Although the advantage of not having oversampling in the audio path is that there is no extra downsampling CPU hit. Also, Dan, did you check the shape of the attack and release curves? I believe the literature says they are linear, so they should appear as straight lines in the Plugin Doctor graph, I believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2022 21:22:19 GMT -6
MDWDRC seems to me to have sidechain oversampling. I remember reading 8x or so? How's the CPU hit? I've been reading everywhere it's pretty light on CPU, but 8x oversampling on the signal chain would contradict that. Although the advantage of not having oversampling in the audio path is that there is no extra downsampling CPU hit. Also, Dan, did you check the shape of the attack and release curves? I believe the literature says they are linear, so they should appear as straight lines in the Plugin Doctor graph, I believe. It's lighter than Kotelnikov and Molot. The release is linear but does not sound like a feed forward linear compressor at all where the transients are totally disconnected like ReaComp. The attack is not entirely a straight line. There is also a built in automatic range control in the sidechain to limit overshoots. |
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Post by copperx on Nov 30, 2022 22:05:40 GMT -6
It's lighter than Kotelnikov and Molot. The release is linear but does not sound like a feed forward linear compressor at all where the transients are totally disconnected like ReaComp. The attack is not entirely a straight line. There is also a built in automatic range control in the sidechain to limit overshoots. "Pics or GTFO" I kid, I kid. According to Know your Meme, that one is from December 8th, 2002  Time passes so quickly. |
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Nov 30, 2022 23:43:42 GMT -6
All of these $29 plug in sales have definitely spoiled us, but I haven't forgotten the $1,000 price tag that came with URS Channel Strip Pro and Waves IR-1 TDM versions for example! I loved URS back in the day. I wonder what ever happened to them. They had one of the first channel strip plug ins. |
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Post by seawell on Dec 1, 2022 0:55:06 GMT -6
All of these $29 plug in sales have definitely spoiled us, but I haven't forgotten the $1,000 price tag that came with URS Channel Strip Pro and Waves IR-1 TDM versions for example! I loved URS back in the day. I wonder what ever happened to them. They had one of the first channel strip plug ins. I was a big fan of the channelstrip as well! Not sure what happened to them, the only plugin that ever got ported over to 64 bit was the saturation plug in as far as I know. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2022 10:12:39 GMT -6
Damnit. Don’t want to try this. Black Friday is undefeated.
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Post by copperx on Dec 1, 2022 12:09:14 GMT -6
Of those 3 I would be putting Echo Farm at the top of the list. One of my secret weapons. I keep buying delays, but none have the ease and sound of Echo Farm for me. Thanks for the tip. Analog w/mod is insanely good. |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 1, 2022 14:24:46 GMT -6
Great. Now I have to spend $1000 to get 3 plugins: 1. This MDWDRC2 $400 2. The MDW EQ, $400. 3. Line6 Echo Farm 3.0 $200. I get the quality is top notch, but $1000 for 3 plugins is a bit crazy. I still want them. If I bought them today they should be around $500 for all three. Of those 3 I would be putting Echo Farm at the top of the list. One of my secret weapons. I keep buying delays, but none have the ease and sound of Echo Farm for me. I bought this old Line 6 Echo Park delay pedal after hearing Tim Pierce the session guitarist rave about it. It has such a great unique sound I use it all the time tracking and it's cool for mixing too. |
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Post by drbill on Dec 1, 2022 15:24:49 GMT -6
Of those 3 I would be putting Echo Farm at the top of the list. One of my secret weapons. I keep buying delays, but none have the ease and sound of Echo Farm for me. I bought this old Line 6 Echo Park delay pedal after hearing Tim Pierce the session guitarist rave about it. It has such a great unique sound I use it all the time tracking and it's cool for mixing too. I believe the pedal is the same as the rack mount EchoPro and the plugin EchoFarm. |
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Post by ab101 on Dec 1, 2022 21:23:34 GMT -6
%%%^^$^$^$^$ (insert favorite expletives.)
I tried the GML compressor plugin.
Now I have to buy it. ):
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Post by bgrotto on Dec 1, 2022 23:17:11 GMT -6
It’s real good. Been doing some bonkers transparent leveling on a wide variety of sources. Can also do bonkers punchy leveling. I’ve even come to appreciate the gui. It’s ugly but very informative and well arranged (if not a bit small)
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Post by OtisGreying on Dec 2, 2022 0:48:26 GMT -6
This is the only thing eating at me : If a compressors function serves only to compress (its clean and color is out of the question) and we assume that it does in fact treat the signal with the attack/release values its telling us it is - then wouldn't it sound exactly the same as another clean compressor that is again treating said signal with accurate attack/release values? Wouldnt the end product be basically the same sonically? I guess I'm wondering if theres an actual inherent sonic gain in the sound of the compression of this plug-in in comparison to previous plug-ins, or if it's convenience/new workflow features that is the draw here
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