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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2022 7:28:32 GMT -6
Or maybe they want to make money and this is a great product they can do that with. They do it is far easier to sell something with Famous tubes, the thing you have to think of though is the long run, if the buyer has to hunt for good tubes will it bite into his equipment budget? Will the customer be pissed off because the tubes I used are going up enough that they learned their lesson and are going to only buy stuff that they can find tubes and for and retube for less than a Toyota? Here is the thing where Doug and I differ, I’m not as pissed at the manufacturer, they listen to what customers and dealers want. I’m pissed at the dealers, 9 out of 10 dealers don’t know or explain the possible price and pain in the ass of a re tube! Or how often. It’s far worse in hi fi, but most of those tubes are easy to find, of course there are a lot of relabel crap. One of the biggest problems in tube audio is the fact that we will except a crappy new replacement, because even as we grumble about it we know it’s better than nothing. Every year their are rumors that someone is going to buy some old tube manufacturering gear and put some tube back in production. The funny thing is some of us know those guys and it always comes down to the following: 1. It’s old hasn’t been used for years and has more rust than the Porsche 924 I owned in the early 90’s. 2. Yeah it was used to make tubes, nothing in the audio realm, and would cost a small fortune to mod. 3. It’s either in Russia, China, or India / Pakistan would need to be completely disassembled and shipped to the US or UK if they would let you because it’s considered “military “. But if you would like a factory there sure. Unfortunately all of the above are real stories of people who unfortunately for us had more brains than $ who thought they could be the hero’s of tube audio, most now use mostly solid state after learning what a cluster F@)K making new tubes is. |
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Post by spock on Oct 25, 2022 7:35:21 GMT -6
Wade designs gear he wants to use, where sound and function are paramount. Fortunately, it resonates with the wider recording industry and he's been able to making a living from his passion...in the meantime, Wade will continue designing and producing great gear — an art in of itself — used by others to create even more wonderful art; the point of the tools in the first place— recorded music. Since returning from Earth and finding us deep in the weeds, I can confirm that the first units began a week after announcement and are now back-ordered.  
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2022 8:44:13 GMT -6
Maybe we put a pin in it until someone has actually heard it.
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Post by spock on Oct 25, 2022 9:11:40 GMT -6
Maybe we put a pin in it until someone has actually heard it. It's already been heard on the following— Lead Vocals.     |
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Post by seawell on Oct 25, 2022 9:13:36 GMT -6
Wade designs gear he wants to use, where sound and function are paramount. Fortunately, it resonates with the wider recording industry and he's been able to making a living from his passion...in the meantime, Wade will continue designing and producing great gear — an art in of itself — used by others to create even more wonderful art; the point of the tools in the first place— recorded music. Since returning from Earth and finding us deep in the weeds, I can confirm that the first units began a week after announcement and are now back-ordered. Those look even better than I thought they would 😍 |
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Post by spock on Oct 25, 2022 9:42:37 GMT -6
Wade designs gear he wants to use, where sound and function are paramount. Fortunately, it resonates with the wider recording industry and he's been able to making a living from his passion...in the meantime, Wade will continue designing and producing great gear — an art in of itself — used by others to create even more wonderful art; the point of the tools in the first place— recorded music. Since returning from Earth and finding us deep in the weeds, I can confirm that the first units began a week after announcement and are now back-ordered. Those look even better than I thought they would 😍 ...and groovy under studio illumination too. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 25, 2022 10:16:13 GMT -6
And for a last (?) word !  |
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Post by Ward on Oct 25, 2022 11:29:08 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2022 13:56:37 GMT -6
Maybe we put a pin in it until someone has actually heard it. It's already been heard on the following— Lead Vocals. I get it…I just meant in person |
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Post by lowlou on Oct 25, 2022 15:33:30 GMT -6
out of topic (((((( Could you guys recommend the best online places to buy tubes ? In Europe preferably, or elsewhere is ok. I realize just now I might need spares, silly me..... Thanks ! xx ))))))) |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 25, 2022 16:11:14 GMT -6
Bowie, who posted above, is a tube expert and sells fully tested nos tubes.
Definitely pm him.
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Post by hadaja on Oct 25, 2022 16:50:57 GMT -6
So from Bowies reply on page 4.
Is he saying that the 6ba6 tube could be used as a drop in replacement for the 6386 tube?
Or am i taking the implications of what he is saying too far?
This would be great if its true.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2022 16:57:21 GMT -6
So from Bowies reply on page 4. Is he saying that the 6ba6 tube could be used as a drop in replacement for the 6386 tube? Or am i taking the implications of what he is saying too far? This would be great if its true. I certainly didn’t think so. I thought the sta used two of those (or 6BJ6’s to approximate one 6386. Anyway - let’s start another thread for anymore 6386 talk. Just want to be reapectful of a manufacturer trying to introduce their product |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 25, 2022 17:22:29 GMT -6
^^This^^
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Oct 26, 2022 9:54:47 GMT -6
SN #18 arrived today. I built and installed a new rack over the weekend and have some parts arriving from Redco to make cables to get to it so hope to try this thing out tonight. It'll be on a Flock patchbay along with a Zener and RS124 so should be an interesting comparison.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 26, 2022 10:01:07 GMT -6
SN #18 arrived today. I built and installed a new rack over the weekend and have some parts arriving from Redco to make cables to get to it so hope to try this thing out tonight. It'll be on a Flock patchbay along with a Zener and RS124 so should be an interesting comparison. Put a vocal up! |
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Post by ericn on Oct 26, 2022 10:57:13 GMT -6
SN #18 arrived today. I built and installed a new rack over the weekend and have some parts arriving from Redco to make cables to get to it so hope to try this thing out tonight. It'll be on a Flock patchbay along with a Zener and RS124 so should be an interesting comparison. That rack shall henceforth be referred to as “Bing” ( Friends joke). |
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Post by olionajudah on Oct 26, 2022 11:24:50 GMT -6
Tube science is not my department but I trust that Chandler wouldn't release something they couldn't service and support. I’ll say this - I don’t think I have ever heard of anyone having tube issues with Chandler equipment. From first-hand experience, I have had 2 minor issues with 2 different pieces of Chandler equipment. Minor (!). In both cases, I received in-person (!) support. I own a decent collection of higher-end recording equipment from reputable manufacturers, and still my support experience with Chandler (thanks spock) remains both unparalleled and unprecedented in my limited experience. That is entirely beside the fact that I just love my pair of RS124s endlessly, and would simply love to get my hands and ears around a pair of these RS660s.. (which is probably a terrible idea.. sigh) |
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Post by theglow on Oct 26, 2022 11:33:03 GMT -6
Mine arrives tomorrow. I’ll definitely report back when I’ve had a chance to try it out. Meanwhile, ATTN: Spock — Any chance you could provide the actual time constants? I prefer knowing actual values whenever possible, and the manual only gives a vague idea. Thanks in advance!
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Post by seawell on Oct 26, 2022 11:36:59 GMT -6
SN #18 arrived today. I built and installed a new rack over the weekend and have some parts arriving from Redco to make cables to get to it so hope to try this thing out tonight. It'll be on a Flock patchbay along with a Zener and RS124 so should be an interesting comparison. Congrats! Very much looking forward to hearing how it compares/contrasts with the RS124! |
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Post by olionajudah on Oct 26, 2022 11:59:24 GMT -6
For what it's worth, Chandler has, in my experience, always been willing to source tested valves for their gear.
I've worked with Bowie and been very happy with my experience, but if there remain concerns about 6386 consistency I'm imagining working through Chandler directly should alleviate concerns.
It does sound as if Bowie could provide alts (6ba6?) as well.
Either way, willing to bet this thing is a dream to use.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 26, 2022 12:17:48 GMT -6
Mine arrives tomorrow. I’ll definitely report back when I’ve had a chance to try it out. Meanwhile, ATTN: Spock — Any chance you could provide the actual time constants? I prefer knowing actual values whenever possible, and the manual only gives a vague idea. Thanks in advance! Doubt they will ever release that…pretty sure they think of it as proprietary. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 26, 2022 13:49:37 GMT -6
Maybe we put a pin in it until someone has actually heard it. It's already been heard on the following— Lead Vocals. Every time I hear Norah Jones I think of a guy I knew in TX who went to North Texas State with her “ it felt like she was never really trying or pushing it, she just blew us all away, and she just made it look so Fing easy”. So unfair😁 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 26, 2022 13:52:13 GMT -6
Hell of a jazz school
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Post by olionajudah on Oct 26, 2022 14:10:25 GMT -6
Mine arrives tomorrow. I’ll definitely report back when I’ve had a chance to try it out. Meanwhile, ATTN: Spock — Any chance you could provide the actual time constants? I prefer knowing actual values whenever possible, and the manual only gives a vague idea. Thanks in advance! Doubt they will ever release that…pretty sure they think of it as proprietary. Seems so. At least they never published the time constants for the RS124. |
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