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Post by spock on Oct 15, 2022 9:43:56 GMT -6
Thx for the clarification, found the marketing speak unclear about exactly what it is, sort of more a hybrid ( not a bad thing), then a clone ? Hi kcatthedog , I hope I can be more clear and helpful. It isn't a reproduction, it's a more efficient way of achieving a very, very similar result, and goes farther. Wade's mad genius is at play and true to form, where there's a will, he'll find the way. He spent a long time refining and tuning his idea to get there and that he did. Had EMI technical teams continued with tubes, this would've been next logical step, akin to them trying to re-create RS124 and 660 in solid-state form with the TG console limiters. Wade's approach, yielded something new, however, it does a really excellent impression of the 660, albeit with far less tubes, maintenance and cost. Owners of RS124s will find this is the perfect compliment to their existing gear. I believe, for owners of real Fairchild 660s — using Dave Cobb for example —, will be very happy too. Dave's tested it and is still using it alongside his Fairchild, and its on many things including used for tracking on upcoming Chris Stapleton material. You've probably seen the quote from Dave in the press release. However, Dave posted a comment on Wade's FB yesterday— "Dave Cobb— "The rs660 is a masterpiece!!!" What I find really interesting is, how those who've used in on the following sessions, and independent of each other knowledge, all put it on lead vocals and kept it there for the record. Red Hot Chili Peppers (both new records "Unlimited Love" and "Return of The Dream Canteen"), Ryan Hewitt Ida Mae (great duo btw) "Click Click Domino," Howard Willing Norah Jones 20th Anniversary Come Away, Tony Maserati Of course, everyone will have their own opinion when they get their hands on one, these are just some really informed and excellent engineers. It's not a panacea, it's not the end all be all, it's simply an amazing tool for crafting records.Probably goes without mentioning...Abbey Road Studios has been testing alongside their historic Fairchild 660s. I really hope this sheds more light. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 15, 2022 10:22:40 GMT -6
All good: I’m confident it sounds great !!br] Was really only saying, its not a 660 clone, nor was intended to be, but a design evolution. Go forth, (buy gear) and prosper : bring honour to your recording house !  |
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Post by spock on Oct 15, 2022 10:29:26 GMT -6
All good: I’m confident it sounds great !!br] Was really only saying, its not a 660 clone, nor was intended to be, but a design evolution. Go forth, (buy gear) and prosper : bring honour to your recording house ! Exactly!!! It's not a reproduction, an "evolution" is a great way to put it, it gets there another way, it's progressive.
Remember the (I'm dating myself here) the Buick re-launch years ago... This isn't your grandpa's Buick (660), its a Buick for a new generation. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 15, 2022 12:38:36 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 13:02:43 GMT -6
Looks cool as hell like all Chandler gear but they really need better endorsements in popular music to say the least
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 15, 2022 13:16:23 GMT -6
All good: I’m confident it sounds great !!br] Was really only saying, its not a 660 clone, nor was intended to be, but a design evolution. Go forth, (buy gear) and prosper : bring honour to your recording house ! Exactly!!! It's not a reproduction, an "evolution" is a great way to put it, it gets there another way, it's progressive.
Remember the (I'm dating myself here) the Buick re-launch years ago... This isn't your grandpa's Buick (660), its a Buick for a new generation. Unfortunate that you guys didn’t give it a different name. It’s it’s not a clone and not meant to be, I’d prefer to see its own name. I’m sure it’s killer either way. |
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Post by spock on Oct 15, 2022 15:34:11 GMT -6
RS660 on Norah Jones, for some listening pleasure...
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 15, 2022 15:49:32 GMT -6
gee, there is also something about that cover that appeals to my eyes; guess its the blue border man talk about vibe in the production of the first track, interesting smoking smoothness to the vocal, almost sounds a little distorted yet so controlled and smooth is that the thd function second track vocal sounds airy and open, yet still beautifully controlled and smooth nice! |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 15, 2022 16:57:06 GMT -6
I’m out of town at the moment, but this is an interesting development. So, spock obviously the 660 number and brown color is aimed at a certain unobtanium comp. Is it Chandler’s take on that? Mind you, I’m posting this like a funny before reading the release. It’s clearly not a 660, it’s a modified RS124/Altec 436. It may have rough timing of a 660 but lacks a lot of what makes a 660 a 660. I wish people would do something original but alas the marketing is harder and it doesn’t sell as well. That's interesting, I remember reading Hugh Robjohns review of the Thermionic Phoenix MC before I bought one and he said, The design is derived in part from the vintage Altec 436, and is similar in some ways to the classic Fairchild 670. What is in in their design that all these compressors share with the Altec 436? |
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Post by seawell on Oct 16, 2022 10:20:31 GMT -6
The fact that Tony Maserati used it on the lead vocal instead of the RS124 has me really intrigued.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 16, 2022 11:10:07 GMT -6
Ah, what does he know anyway ? |
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Post by seawell on Oct 16, 2022 11:59:25 GMT -6
Ah, what does he know anyway ? Haha...he's the only person I've ever seen that professed their love for the RS124 more than me 🤣 |
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Post by spock on Oct 16, 2022 12:06:05 GMT -6
The fact that Tony Maserati used it on the lead vocal instead of the RS124 has me really intrigued. I can double check with Tony, though I bet his matched pair of RS124s were on parallel mix bus. |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 18, 2022 9:38:29 GMT -6
so....two pages, and no one's brought up the 6386 tube?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 14:18:08 GMT -6
so....two pages, and no one's brought up the 6386 tube? I mean it's cool that this exists as a product for those who can afford Chandler and modern tube gear but I'm not the target market. The questions are I presume it's the JJ 6386 ? Will they be matched unit to unit ? Will it burn through them ? Will Chandler sell binned JJ 6386 replacements for the unit if it runs through tubes or the tubes age in unfavorable ways especially because they are selling a stereo pair ? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2022 15:30:16 GMT -6
Yeah - I assume it's the JJ...
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Post by christophert on Oct 18, 2022 15:33:04 GMT -6
I hope someone does a comparison with Highland Dynamics BG1 and BG2's - which are also based on RS124 designs.
If I can get my hands on a demo 660, then I am happy to do this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 15:38:25 GMT -6
Right now we’re in tube hell with even the tubes made on communist era equipment drying up.
Shuguang lost their lease in 2019 and haven’t made anything in COVID. These were favored for guitar amps now but prices for matched pairs are spiking.
The Saratov, Russia plant is cut off. These are the most hifi triodes and closest to good old Western NOS tubes. All those Gold Lions are gone.
JJ is JJ.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 18, 2022 16:22:53 GMT -6
People should be making tube gear with all the bazillions of NOS stuff no one has used in decades. Tons of good NOS $5 tubes still out there if anyone would bother.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Oct 18, 2022 19:18:42 GMT -6
Tube science is not my department but I trust that Chandler wouldn't release something they couldn't service and support.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2022 19:48:51 GMT -6
Tube science is not my department but I trust that Chandler wouldn't release something they couldn't service and support. I’ll say this - I don’t think I have ever heard of anyone having tube issues with Chandler equipment. |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 18, 2022 20:13:46 GMT -6
Go shopping for 6386's. Read the comments about what's available, at what price. See how confident you feel.
Or maybe they're not even using them, though it says so, but the pair of subs. Maybe there's a 9 pin socket AND a pair of 7 pins in there, just in case. People will want to know, whatever is up. Specifics, supply assessment, etc.
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Post by 2busdriver on Oct 18, 2022 22:00:47 GMT -6
Go shopping for 6386's. Read the comments about what's available, at what price. See how confident you feel. Or maybe they're not even using them, though it says so, but the pair of subs. Maybe there's a 9 pin socket AND a pair of 7 pins in there, just in case. People will want to know, whatever is up. Specifics, supply assessment, etc. I had a pair in my cart and then wait, no manual, no actual detail. All hype, deleted, don't care. Oh wait a grammy oh fuck omg |
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Post by 2busdriver on Oct 18, 2022 22:27:16 GMT -6
ps. I have their TG and yes I need/maybe their "Beatles" mastering EQ and etc but dammit I won't be played like a CHICAGO HARDASS at NAMM. What is the OEM maintenance routine...your guess is as good as mine/inside handshake/hey PM me I'll give you the secret decoder ring/
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 18, 2022 23:38:39 GMT -6
Given Chandler’s attention to quality engineering and build and with respect, not certain I see tubes as any significant immediate or medium term risk?
The tubes in the new units would be properly burned in, tested and likely under some warranty.
Anyone buying any tube gear must accept the vulnerability of running tubes. It’s only prudent to buy spares and or have fun rolling your own and experimenting to see if you prefer the sound of another suitable tube, nos or new.
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