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Post by AgnosticGospel on Jul 28, 2022 18:51:47 GMT -6
Hey everybody- 1st post. In all the videos I've watched of the IGS Tubecore, I've never seen anyone really crank the gain knob. Is this knob for input gain, which you could use to drive the tube like a Sta-Level? Or is it makeup gain like on an LA2A? I downloaded the manual, but it's a bit unclear to me.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 28, 2022 18:53:17 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 28, 2022 21:13:28 GMT -6
I believe it is just a make up gain. There is not input gain. You just can control the tube circuit make up gain to push into the output transformers. Then you have an output attenuator.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 21:53:26 GMT -6
Hey everybody- 1st post. In all the videos I've watched of the IGS Tubecore, I've never seen anyone really crank the gain knob. Is this knob for input gain, which you could use to drive the tube like a Sta-Level? Or is it makeup gain like on an LA2A? I downloaded the manual, but it's a bit unclear to me. They take the edge off but don't overthink it..
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Post by AgnosticGospel on Jul 28, 2022 21:59:11 GMT -6
Thanks everyone. I do 50s-60s style organ trio jazz and blues, and I chase that Sta-Level style distortion and compression, but I'd like it in stereo. I'm sold on the Audioscape V-Comp+ all the way, but I'm nervous about stringing two of them on across buss. I've read the entire v-comp thread, but nobody seemed to have stereo examples.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 22:07:56 GMT -6
Thanks everyone. I do 50s-60s style organ trio jazz and blues, and I chase that Sta-Level style distortion and compression, but I'd like it in stereo. I'm sold on the Audioscape V-Comp+ all the way, but I'm nervous about stringing two of them on across buss. I've read the entire v-comp thread, but nobody seemed to have stereo examples. That's actually the first pseudo pic I've posted of my new studio  ..
The Sta's are great and so are the IGS toobs, but my IGS is a matched pair which has a master. Perfect for stereo applications, the thing about Audioscape is I'm not in US and never have I ever been able to secure anything from them. Stam is easier to get if that says anything.. So from my view they might as well not exist, not that I wouldn't like a scape 2A but I'd rather take my chances with Stam..
The Sta level is awsome, if that's what your'e after don't try to justify it with clones or things that'll "do" just save and get..
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 28, 2022 22:10:46 GMT -6
Thanks everyone. I do 50s-60s style organ trio jazz and blues, and I chase that Sta-Level style distortion and compression, but I'd like it in stereo. I'm sold on the Audioscape V-Comp+ all the way, but I'm nervous about stringing two of them on across buss. I've read the entire v-comp thread, but nobody seemed to have stereo examples. I love my tubecore. But I don't use it to be a "dirty" comp really. But that's just now I use it. I haven't tried to push it to be distorted or super saturated. does have a lovely tone to it though. Funny I just did an organ trio. Fun stuff. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 28, 2022 22:22:49 GMT -6
Hey everybody- 1st post. In all the videos I've watched of the IGS Tubecore, I've never seen anyone really crank the gain knob. Is this knob for input gain, which you could use to drive the tube like a Sta-Level? Or is it makeup gain like on an LA2A? I downloaded the manual, but it's a bit unclear to me. They take the edge off but don't overthink it.. Crank that shit and enjoy..
How's that Empress? I haven't been able to find many opinions on it? I like how, in theory, I could get two Pultec style eqs in 2u of rackspace versus 6u of rackspace for something like a pair of "unit space correct" boxes like what Audioscape offers. I'm positive that the Audioscapes sound great, but it annoys me that they insist on it taking up 3u per mono channel. Yeah, it's "correct", but I don't care. I could even live with 2u per box, but 3u just seem unnecessary, unless it's just about looks, which it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 22:27:41 GMT -6
They take the edge off but don't overthink it.. Crank that shit and enjoy..
How's that Empress? I haven't been able to find many opinions on it? I like how, in theory, I could get two Pultec style eqs in 2u of rackspace versus 6u of rackspace for something like a pair of "unit space correct" boxes like what Audioscape offers. Absolutely fricking brilliant, the empress is a no brainer purchase. Unlike the whole monitor thing  ... |
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Post by Quint on Jul 28, 2022 22:31:50 GMT -6
How's that Empress? I haven't been able to find many opinions on it? I like how, in theory, I could get two Pultec style eqs in 2u of rackspace versus 6u of rackspace for something like a pair of "unit space correct" boxes like what Audioscape offers. Absolutely fricking brilliant, the empress is a no brainer purchase. Unlike the whole monitor thing ... So it's pretty much a 1:1 clone, relatively speaking? I know it comes down to the makeup gain stages, as much as anything. What about the interstage transformer? I thought I read somewhere that the Empress doesn't have that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 22:58:59 GMT -6
Absolutely fricking brilliant, the empress is a no brainer purchase. Unlike the whole monitor thing ... So it's pretty much a 1:1 clone, relatively speaking? I know it comes down to the makeup gain stages, as much as anything. What about the interstage transformer? I thought I read somewhere that the Empress doesn't have that? I couldn't care less about the Pultec, the Empress tube boost and the ability to make massive EQ changes with minimal issues is astonishing. For the two bus I'd recommend it over the API 5500 which was my other option.. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 28, 2022 23:13:38 GMT -6
So it's pretty much a 1:1 clone, relatively speaking? I know it comes down to the makeup gain stages, as much as anything. What about the interstage transformer? I thought I read somewhere that the Empress doesn't have that? I couldn't care less about the Pultec, the Empress tube boost and the ability to make massive EQ changes with minimal issues is astonishing. For the two bus I'd recommend it over the API 5500 which was my other option.. While I'm at it, might as well bare somoe of the rest.. Well shit, I guess I need to try the Empress then. But I did think the Empress was going after the Pultec thing? Is it not? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 23:26:54 GMT -6
I couldn't care less about the Pultec, the Empress tube boost and the ability to make massive EQ changes with minimal issues is astonishing. For the two bus I'd recommend it over the API 5500 which was my other option.. While I'm at it, might as well bare somoe of the rest.. Well shit, I guess I need to try the Empress then. But I did think the Empress was going after the Pultec thing? Is it not?. Yeah, but it's actually properly featured... This vid sold me and it was not different IRL which is rare..
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Post by mike on Jul 29, 2022 7:26:11 GMT -6
On the Tubecore 3U, IGS says the gain knob is a "make up gain knob. You can adjust the amount of signal at the input of TUBECORE 3U"
After getting mine not to long ago and taking it for a spin or three, I've since been busy with software updates on a new Mac Studio and some other things. Like Blackdawg, I've not used it for saturation/distortion but for the lovely tube and dimension sonics, though I'm sure you can push it.
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Post by AgnosticGospel on Jul 29, 2022 10:55:36 GMT -6
The Empress is absolutely on my list for analog eq. I love the idea of a Pultec with a mid section, and that Tube switch really shines. I watched that same video ShadowK posted, and I got very excited. But I think my first purchase needs to be a compressor.
The Retro Revolver seems like a decent choice, but I've also read a lot of bad reviews of it compared to their Sta and 176.
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Post by AgnosticGospel on Jul 29, 2022 10:59:34 GMT -6
On the Tubecore 3U, IGS says the gain knob is a "make up gain knob. You can adjust the amount of signal at the input of TUBECORE 3U" That's exactly what I found confusing. Is it makeup gain (after compression) or is it used to drive the input (into the compression)? Those seem like two different scenarios, and they worded it in a super confusing manner. |
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Post by christopher on Jul 29, 2022 14:54:10 GMT -6
It looks like it allows you to gain stage post compression for whatever tone and run it hot, then output fader to gain stage for the next device. So to overdrive the input you’d use the preceding device in the chain, offering some different ways to drive it. Seems like an awesome idea
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 29, 2022 15:09:42 GMT -6
On the Tubecore 3U, IGS says the gain knob is a "make up gain knob. You can adjust the amount of signal at the input of TUBECORE 3U" That's exactly what I found confusing. Is it makeup gain (after compression) or is it used to drive the input (into the compression)? Those seem like two different scenarios, and they worded it in a super confusing manner. It is pre compression. You can clearly turn up the gain knob and the Gain reduction increases. Its a make up gain though to the input stage. However, you only have -12dB of output gain attenuation. So you probably aren't going to be able to really push it crazy hard. |
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Post by christopher on Jul 29, 2022 18:06:19 GMT -6
Blackdawg for the win. I think they messed up and meant to call it line input gain
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Post by AgnosticGospel on Jul 29, 2022 20:29:51 GMT -6
It's the pre-amplified post-amp input through-put output makeup-gain reduction attenuator, and it couldn't be more clear what it does, guys. I'm kind of embarrased *for* you.
So is there a stereo vari-mu that you can drive like a sta-level? The Revolver?
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 29, 2022 21:38:52 GMT -6
It's the pre-amplified post-amp input through-put output makeup-gain reduction attenuator, and it couldn't be more clear what it does, guys. I'm kind of embarrased *for* you. So is there a stereo vari-mu that you can drive like a sta-level? The Revolver? Hmm
Manely makes one.
HCL does
I think gain labs does.
Everything else is gonna cost over 5k I think.
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Post by AgnosticGospel on Jul 29, 2022 21:43:39 GMT -6
It's the pre-amplified post-amp input through-put output makeup-gain reduction attenuator, and it couldn't be more clear what it does, guys. I'm kind of embarrased *for* you. So is there a stereo vari-mu that you can drive like a sta-level? The Revolver? Hmm
Manely makes one.
HCL does
I think gain labs does.
Everything else is gonna cost over 5k I think.
Thanks- I might be wrong, but I dont believe the Manley is known for 60s distortion. I usually hear it described as natural sounding. The HCL is not a stereo compressor, and the Gainlab only has 10db total on the input dial, so I don't believe it can be driven super hard. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 29, 2022 21:52:29 GMT -6
Hmm
Manely makes one.
HCL does
I think gain labs does.
Everything else is gonna cost over 5k I think.
Thanks- I might be wrong, but I dont believe the Manley is known for 60s distortion. I usually hear it described as natural sounding. The HCL is not a stereo compressor, and the Gainlab only has 10db total on the input dial, so I don't believe it can be driven super hard. I mean the tube core isn't a stereo compressor either. So the HCL is an option. You can always setup another unit in front on the gain labs to drive it's input more. That goes for any unit. But I'm not familiar with any of those to know how much attenuation you can have to bring it back down to earth. Other option is some kind of Fairchild but you're looking at 5-10k for a clone of that. Magic death eye is 8-10k too. There is gryaf audio too but can't remember what models are vari mu if any. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 21:57:37 GMT -6
Thanks- I might be wrong, but I dont believe the Manley is known for 60s distortion. I usually hear it described as natural sounding. The HCL is not a stereo compressor, and the Gainlab only has 10db total on the input dial, so I don't believe it can be driven super hard. I mean the tube core isn't a stereo compressor either. So the HCL is an option. There is gryaf audio too but can't remember what models are vari mu if any. Actually the TC500 is a stereo compressor if you pay the extra to make it a matched pair.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 29, 2022 22:05:00 GMT -6
I mean the tube core isn't a stereo compressor either. So the HCL is an option. There is gryaf audio too but can't remember what models are vari mu if any. Actually the TC500 is a stereo compressor if you pay the extra to make it a matched pair.
Does it actually link the side chain? On the rack unit there is no way to link it. It's just a dual mono unit. Which I think is great personally. |
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