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Post by Guitar on Jun 12, 2022 20:07:20 GMT -6
I dig these. Video was a lot of fun too. Maybe I’m confused, but do these have a di out? Or do I also need a di box? I could see myself using these mostly for recording. Not sure I would stick this in front of an amp, or even in the fx loop. I feel like the emulations are super duper close. Dream is definitely the closest to the real thing. The vox had a bit of a harder stiffer edge in the high end, but probably could fool me blind. I agree about the tweed. In certain examples is was very close. In others it just didn’t quite nail it for me. Probably gonna grab the dream at some point. |
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Post by zonkola on Jun 12, 2022 22:07:50 GMT -6
I picked up the Dream '65 last week and haven't felt the need to mic an amp. Thinking about adding a Ruby for some contrast on multi-guitar tunes.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 18, 2022 14:29:44 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 24, 2022 8:30:16 GMT -6
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Post by elmolemon on Jun 24, 2022 9:34:28 GMT -6
While I never wholeheartedly loved my Strymon Iridium I was always quite happy with it. But listening to comparison videos I have to say, that UA did a great job. I’d really like to add Dream and Ruby to the pedal collection.
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Post by howie on Jun 24, 2022 10:58:16 GMT -6
I used the Strymon Iridium for recording for over a year. (after selling my Tube amp - as I thought impractical in my recording/living situation)
Ultimately, I felt the Iridium was OK for basic Fender clean tones. Did not like anything driven with it. I tried. The YouTube video posted of both pedals - by kcatthedog also strikes me this way - clean is good: anything overdriven is nasty - and not a good nasty.
I ended up selling my Iridium and then getting another tube amp - with an attenuator - and miking it in the closet.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 24, 2022 11:03:29 GMT -6
I think the Dream 65 is my new favorite of these, based on that video. The strymon sounds kind of dark and flat in that A/B, pretty big difference.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jun 25, 2022 6:20:26 GMT -6
So I've had the Dream 65 for a couple days now and all I can say is it's the real deal. I'm very picky about my guitar tones and this pedal is really really good.
My main rig when silent recording is Princeton Brownface into the Suhr Reactive load IR using York Irs and additional plug in eq curves that model my speaker's response. This has given me some good results, close enough for most things though there is something about the pick attacks that never sounds quite right, it always sound like there is a little bit of DI signal hidden underneath and I've tried everything and have never been able to get rid of it.
I also bought an Iridium a couple years back but just never really loved it, always sounded a little boxy. It got better with external IRs but never inspired me a ton. The room feature is cool though. I've used it more as a parallel bass distortion than as a guitar amp sim...
Now come the Dream 65. Plugged it in and ended up playing it for an hour, found a lot of fun tones and above all, the playability is great. The Iridium's latency always bothered me, my pick attack felt completely disconnected from the sound. I've read that the Dream 65's latency is actually higher but feeling wise it feels much much closer to a real amp. I have very low output vintage pickups on my Strat and they don't seem to gel with most amp sims.
I play mostly clean but the Drive tones are the highlight of the pedal IMO. You can get some great crunch to overdriven tones with this one, I was really pleasantly surprised. I immediately found some tones that I know I will be using for records.
The Reverb sounds wonderful, like a very good amp reverb. I'm not a huge fan of the tremolo but then I'm not a huge fan of the Deluxe reverb tremolo anyway. The tube driven trem in the Brownface Princeton just sounds so so good that anything after feels a little meh.
I'm extremely happy with my purchase, when I was A/Bing with my miced amp, there were times where I liked the amp better and times I liked the pedal better so using just this in a mix would not be a compromise to me. It sounds closer to a real amp than my amp into the Suhr reactive load.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 25, 2022 7:29:10 GMT -6
Here's a really good one. Don't "spoil" yourself and just watch the thing blindly, see what you actually think without influence.
Me personally, based on these recent A/B demos, I'm pretty convinced my "dream board" has a Dream 65 and a Ruby on it. Man that's a lot of money but they seem to be the things. I'll tell you why, mainly? No menu diving. Just knobs you can touch. This is why Katana is so good. Not only that but it's true stereo in and out (Unlike Iridium, unlike IR-200.) Helix can do this, but I don't want to waste away into a skeleton "programming the helix" instead of "focusing on the music" if you get me. And obviously they sound pretty good. Yes I can hear a difference, I don't care what anyone tells me, I can hear things, and you can't tell me I don't. But it's close enough where I imagine these would be inspiring to play through.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 25, 2022 9:56:16 GMT -6
Here's another compelling A/B. It makes a big difference when "demo people" "actually know how to play music," if you know what I mean. It's like, I don't know, the 5% or the 1% that really know how to play. I guess that's a rare thing, indeed.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 25, 2022 13:25:57 GMT -6
Now y’all have me thinking about consolidating some equipment again. Maybe unloading an amp (either my Princeton ltd edition or the Vibro Champ reissue) and my Iridium. I have been using the Iridium almost exclusively to record with but the ruby and the dream do seem like an upgrade. Curses.  |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 25, 2022 18:10:09 GMT -6
Now y’all have me thinking about consolidating some equipment again. Maybe unloading an amp (either my Princeton ltd edition or the Vibro Champ reissue) and my Iridium. I have been using the Iridium almost exclusively to record with but the ruby and the dream do seem like an upgrade. Curses.  That Italian dude I just posted has an Iridium V. Dream 65 video, very educational. He says they both have advantages, disadvantages.
And crucially, he says the sound quality is "different," not better/worse. UA wants you to think they made a "leap" but, it may not necessarily be so. The Iridium is bassier, and the UADFX is brighter. Depending on your goals.
And my favorite part: neither one sounds like the amp. I don't care. Move on, blind shooters. Some people can see.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jun 26, 2022 2:30:06 GMT -6
Now y’all have me thinking about consolidating some equipment again. Maybe unloading an amp (either my Princeton ltd edition or the Vibro Champ reissue) and my Iridium. I have been using the Iridium almost exclusively to record with but the ruby and the dream do seem like an upgrade. Curses. I would buy the dream and compare to the Iridium and see what you like the best. If I could only keep one it would be the Dream but I've loaded a lot of cab IRS in the Iridium and I like the Room feature so I'm keeping it for now as a Cab IR loader. As far as the preamps go, the dream feels and sounds more like a real amp to me. Most of the Cab Irs on the Dream sound quite similar. With the Iridium I can load some of my own or external IRs I've bought for more flexibility. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 26, 2022 4:48:41 GMT -6
Posting just for fun: clips start at 3:30.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 26, 2022 7:40:28 GMT -6
Posting just for fun: clips start at 3:30.
The thing that always surprises me about those little Princetons, is how much bass they have. Makes them sound a lot bigger than they are.
Also: strats everywhere. I've just been messing with my strat. So I'm noticing how they're still one of the most popular guitars in the world, to this day.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 26, 2022 8:11:19 GMT -6
And then when you see a video like this I go, “why the fuck would I get rid of my Princeton?” |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 26, 2022 8:16:45 GMT -6
You also LOL at the clickbait title. "The greatest recording amp of all time" that hardly any of your favorite sounds and albums were ever recorded with X-D
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 26, 2022 8:32:30 GMT -6
You also LOL at the clickbait title. "The greatest recording amp of all time" that hardly any of your favorite sounds and albums were ever recorded with X-D Yep. End of day, use what you want to use. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 30, 2022 4:58:52 GMT -6
Vox and Marshall , for comparisons sake.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 30, 2022 10:09:49 GMT -6
"Real" session guitarists? "Pros?" I was just listening to Tim Pierce, he said back in the '80s everyone, literally everyone, was recording with 100W Marshalls (plexis, JMPs, new out of the box 800s, etc) and Deluxe Reverbs, and that was about it!
Thought that was a cool perspective, from someone that works in music, rather than YouTube.
But on that note, I'm really surprised there's not a UAFX Marshall pedal. And I will be very surprised if they don't release one within the next year or so.
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Post by phantom on Jun 30, 2022 12:15:06 GMT -6
"Real" session guitarists? "Pros?" I was just listening to Tim Pierce, he said back in the '80s everyone, literally everyone, was recording with 100W Marshalls (plexis, JMPs, new out of the box 800s, etc) and Deluxe Reverbs, and that was about it! Thought that was a cool perspective, from someone that works in music, rather than YouTube. But on that note, I'm really surprised there's not a UAFX Marshall pedal. And I will be very surprised if they don't release one within the next year or so. They'll release a Marshall pedal. I'm 100% sure. Why they haven't done now? Well, I have some hypothesis. Maybe they judged that this release was strong enough with a BF Fender and a classic Vox, so all the buzz was already guaranteed. Or maybe they are planning on releasing 3 Marshall pedals, each one covering a different amp. Or maybe they need more time to dedicate fully to the Marshall. Imo, probably a bit of all these hypothesis above. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2022 14:06:00 GMT -6
Weren’t they the only authorized plug-in Marshall’s? Or maybe it was softube or whoever. I’m kinda agonizing over whether to sell the Axe. It’s just so freaking good and convenient…but with the small amount of personal recording I do, the Dream and Ruby would totally be sufficient. I can get heavier with the distortion pedals I have and I love the Mobius for modulation. Also have a Golden for other webs. Need a delay pedal again if I do sell the axe.
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Post by phantom on Jul 1, 2022 8:36:43 GMT -6
Weren’t they the only authorized plug-in Marshall’s? Or maybe it was softube or whoever. I’m kinda agonizing over whether to sell the Axe. It’s just so freaking good and convenient…but with the small amount of personal recording I do, the Dream and Ruby would totally be sufficient. I can get heavier with the distortion pedals I have and I love the Mobius for modulation. Also have a Golden for other webs. Need a delay pedal again if I do sell the axe. I have to say that I'm really impressed with the Dream 65. I don't think that an Axe or a Helix can't sound as good, but the Dream has a much bigger sweet spot. With any of the modelers - I have both the Axe FX and a HX Stomp - I usually find a setting, 3 snapshots with different gains, but if I want to change anything it gets weird very easily. So I have to spend some good minutes fiddling with it until it sounds good again. Dream sounds good with any setting basically. And the cabs and mods are much more versatile than I expected. More versatile than my Deluxe to tell you the truth. |
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Post by deaconblues on Jul 2, 2022 10:30:42 GMT -6
Weren’t they the only authorized plug-in Marshall’s? Or maybe it was softube or whoever. I’m kinda agonizing over whether to sell the Axe. It’s just so freaking good and convenient…but with the small amount of personal recording I do, the Dream and Ruby would totally be sufficient. I can get heavier with the distortion pedals I have and I love the Mobius for modulation. Also have a Golden for other webs. Need a delay pedal again if I do sell the axe. Softube makes the Marshall plugins, and they sound killer. They hold up very well against my 100 watt JMP and Silver Jubilee cab. I also really have fun using the newest Softube Amp Room stuff. I haven’t recorded with it much yet, but it’s a fun diversion…kinda like losing a couple hours to a giant modular synth rig, only with amps and pedal boards. I really wish these pedals and plugins existed 20 years ago! |
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 12, 2023 22:52:34 GMT -6
Shiiit...that actually really sounds good...I really don't know if I can resist this. This is John Nip. I might sell the Axe to have fun with these. And then most likely in two months sell these to fund an Axe. And, er, um, ahem. I have no official comment at this time on the above. But I am hoping to bump this now that it’s been a while and the Plexi model has been released. I’m most interested in the Ruby, but additional thoughts on the others as well as comparisons to the Iridium. I have read the thread, but haven’t checked out all the vids yet. Off to do that now. Cheers, Geoff |
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