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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 11, 2022 11:23:59 GMT -6
Sweet: tweed x2!!
I am not saying the pedals in general sound bad, for me, it’s just when the break up starts happening.
Would be best to demo them sometime and see!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 11, 2022 11:27:25 GMT -6
Preach!!
“”In other words, the only thing better than a real amp is a fresh idea.””
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2022 11:43:49 GMT -6
I'm just trying to find where that line is. It's a grey area: a very large, expansive one. (Not an "expensive" one, necessarily, but sometimes, yes.) It doesn't matter, and it does. We all sort of find our own water level if that makes sense. Splitting hairs between top shelf uber-expensive gear is so not interesting to me I have to find other reasons to talk on RGO. I guess I'm more interested in people, and ideas, than "things." "Stuff." I've used crappy gear too, but that's not what "we're talking about." :-D In a way, it almost goes without saying. But it's fun to joke around about crappy gear, too. Yeah, I was trying to avoid the subject because it's very much personal and probably requires its own thread. Good equipment itself can be a source of inspiration but ultimately I take it on a case by case basis. It all matters, to what extent is heavily debated and it depends on the level / zone one is trying to compete in. Those chasing after yesteryear production techniques will have a completely different outlook to those involved in modern pop for example. There's too many factors involved for this to be a simple conversation and even then it's heavily preference based. This discussion seems to be the equivalent of chasing your own tail, fun in a pub style debate but as most follow their own path anyway pretty much pointless. Also I'm just doing my own thing, it'll be interesting to see if anyone likes it  .. |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 11, 2022 11:50:55 GMT -6
Shadowk send me some tracks when you've got some! I'm very much interested in hearing you "do your thing." It is definitely weird to be this sort of post-gear gearhead, or whatever, but I think most people eventually end up in this same place. The place of, "It's all good."
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 11, 2022 12:01:23 GMT -6
Even if they were paid - are they clairvoyant when they’re blind guessing the wrong choice? My favorite thing about that is this notion that "It doesn't really matter." And that's true. It doesn't matter if you play a vintage tweed deluxe, a UA $400 pedal, or a $40 Guitar Center combo practice amp. But we are all, inexplicably, "individuals" and we make individual choices about our own sound, our own tool sets, our own opinions, and so forth. So I couldn't care less what Tim Pierce and that YouTube guitar dude can and can't hear on some paid advertisement. I don't think they really care either. And that's my favorite part about it. So for someone invested in some product is positing this idea of "What about what THEY think?" My response is to laugh, smile, shake my head, and silently take a sip of this cheap beer I'm drinking, and think about the absurd beauty of it all. I’m gonna let this go…but I’ve gotta say - it’s lose/lose for UA to do any video. People: “oh, well, if it were up against the real thing it wouldn’t hold a candle.” UA books Sunset sound and puts up a direct comparison. People: “there’s a little bit of harsh high end I hear when not being blind tested” Guys in the room start losing tracks of which they’re playing. People: “they’re being paid.” I mean. It’s cool. These might not be your bag, but plenty of people think they’re pretty awesome. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 11, 2022 12:26:54 GMT -6
It’s really win win, cus, if you dig the pedal, it’s great value. If it’s not your thing, peeps just use their regular rig.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 11, 2022 13:03:35 GMT -6
My favorite thing about that is this notion that "It doesn't really matter." And that's true. It doesn't matter if you play a vintage tweed deluxe, a UA $400 pedal, or a $40 Guitar Center combo practice amp. But we are all, inexplicably, "individuals" and we make individual choices about our own sound, our own tool sets, our own opinions, and so forth. So I couldn't care less what Tim Pierce and that YouTube guitar dude can and can't hear on some paid advertisement. I don't think they really care either. And that's my favorite part about it. So for someone invested in some product is positing this idea of "What about what THEY think?" My response is to laugh, smile, shake my head, and silently take a sip of this cheap beer I'm drinking, and think about the absurd beauty of it all. I’m gonna let this go…but I’ve gotta say - it’s lose/lose for UA to do any video. People: “oh, well, if it were up against the real thing it wouldn’t hold a candle.” UA books Sunset sound and puts up a direct comparison. People: “there’s a little bit of harsh high end I hear when not being blind tested” Guys in the room start losing tracks of which they’re playing. People: “they’re being paid.” I mean. It’s cool. These might not be your bag, but plenty of people think they’re pretty awesome. Totally, I am (sorta) considering getting one at some point because of that vid and recommended the Ruby to two people since this thread started. So I suspect the yield nets out in UA's favor. Also, doesn't it feel like Strymon gets more of a pass but UA is held to some impossible standard? Meh, nothing matters until you have it in your hot little hands anyway. I don't even want to sound like Rhett Schull or Tim Pierce, and they're great. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Jun 11, 2022 13:28:25 GMT -6
In the vid, watch the parts where the players have no idea what they're playing through. They're in the room, playing, and they're guessing. You at home, with the answer on the screen for you, is not the same. Well that's unfair. I'm at home so I can't have an opinion? I'm monitoring now through my apogee symphony converters , rnd heaphone amp with clear pros and barefoots, a system I've been using every single day for years and I can guarantee I can hear a very clear difference between the Tweed and the Woodrow, I don't even have to concentrate it's so blatantly obvious. They're in a room that they probably don't know that well, who knows if they know the speakers that well... they're not in the sweet spot so yeah it might not be as obvious to them so saying they didn't know so how could you just doesn't hold up I'm sorry. And anyway, most of the time they did know, they didn't mistake the pedal for the amp that many times. And again I'm talking about the Woodrow here, the Dream was much closer and I completely missed some cuts. |
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Post by notneeson on Jun 11, 2022 16:04:46 GMT -6
Going back and reading Drew’s post, it doesn’t really come off that way to me, FWIW.
But, I def think confirmation bias is a huge factor when it comes to these videos.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 11, 2022 16:18:13 GMT -6
That's the thing that snagged me, too, bryce. "I know better than you." I don't know why I care but people get so puffed up about this stuff. If that's the company line, I'm out. It makes me like it less, not more. Wtf, man? Why are you taking it so personally? This was your first post in the thread: “I think they look like toys and sound kind of generic. And are overpriced and underfeatured. Oh well.” You don’t like it. We get it. I disagree with you and can’t understand why you don’t hear it. You feel the same way about my opinion. But no one is trying to get you to buy it. |
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Post by reddirt on Jun 11, 2022 17:12:23 GMT -6
My first and probably last post on this: it will never happen that a pedal without the physical coupling of a speaker to air will sound exactly the same. However, JK you own them, they are a lot of dosh. If they hadn't worked well enough for you, you wouldn't have spent that hard earned. "Well enough" being the operative words and of course no one's forcing anyone and it's that beautiful thing called personal preference.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by wiz on Jun 11, 2022 18:08:29 GMT -6
Gee buds… I go do a gig and have a sleep and the thread goes off….
It doesn’t matter if you can hear some small difference…it really doesn’t.
Do you like it? Is it in your budget?
I hope someone is getting paid somewhere to make these videos……
Those pedals sound a lot like the amps they are meant to be imitating…..are they exact! Does it matter?
A lot of people are going to be happy using them…..
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 11, 2022 18:11:36 GMT -6
My first and probably last post on this: it will never happen that a pedal without the physical coupling of a speaker to air will sound exactly the same. However, JK you own them, they are a lot of dosh. If they hadn't worked well enough for you, you wouldn't have spent that hard earned. "Well enough" being the operative words and of course no one's forcing anyone and it's that beautiful thing called personal preference. Cheers, Ross And I’m not arguing that they are exactly the same or “just as good”. I don’t know who wouldn’t want to use the real thing if time, money, convenience we’re all equal. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 11, 2022 18:29:33 GMT -6
I thought the tweed pedal sounded close enough for me. It’s the only amp out of the 3 I don’t own a vintage version of (and probably won’t because of the sky high prices). I might have to give the pedal a shot.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 11, 2022 19:35:56 GMT -6
Deleted most of my posts. I decided it's more rewarding to enjoy John's excitement, than to bloviate about my own non-opinions about a product I'll never buy. I actually feel better now. Rather than saying how you feel, sometimes you feel how you say.
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Post by nick8801 on Jun 12, 2022 6:28:05 GMT -6
I dig these. Video was a lot of fun too. Maybe I’m confused, but do these have a di out? Or do I also need a di box? I could see myself using these mostly for recording. Not sure I would stick this in front of an amp, or even in the fx loop.
I feel like the emulations are super duper close. Dream is definitely the closest to the real thing. The vox had a bit of a harder stiffer edge in the high end, but probably could fool me blind. I agree about the tweed. In certain examples is was very close. In others it just didn’t quite nail it for me. Probably gonna grab the dream at some point.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jun 12, 2022 9:16:30 GMT -6
In the vid, watch the parts where the players have no idea what they're playing through. They're in the room, playing, and they're guessing. You at home, with the answer on the screen for you, is not the same. Well that's unfair. I'm at home so I can't have an opinion? I'm monitoring now through my apogee symphony converters , rnd heaphone amp with clear pros and barefoots, a system I've been using every single day for years and I can guarantee I can hear a very clear difference between the Tweed and the Woodrow, I don't even have to concentrate it's so blatantly obvious. They're in a room that they probably don't know that well, who knows if they know the speakers that well... they're not in the sweet spot so yeah it might not be as obvious to them so saying they didn't know so how could you just doesn't hold up I'm sorry. And anyway, most of the time they did know, they didn't mistake the pedal for the amp that many times. And again I'm talking about the Woodrow here, the Dream was much closer and I completely missed some cuts. Of course you can. I didn't say that. I just said, if you were in the room, playing, you'd be guessing just like Tim, Rhett, and Mateus. |
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Post by phantom on Jun 12, 2022 9:57:49 GMT -6
My four real amps are a Deluxe Reverb, an AC30Hw, a 5e3 Boutique and a Marshall 1987x
I have to say that I'm pretty much recording through Load Box right now. Almost exclusively on a Suhr or the Fractal X-Load. So I'm used to hearing these amps outside their natural way. I've compared many ways of recording them and this way makes the most sense to me. I've collected the best IRs to my ears and that's it.
I also have a small Helix and I had an Axe FX.
With all that said, the demos I've heard of the Ruby and Dream really impressed me. Much more than Strymon or any other amp sim pedal like that. The Rhett video is really good and convincing, altought they are probably testing against the exact amps they've modeled, and with settings that are the closest ones they knpw. Nothing wrong with that, btw.
Otoh, the Tweed pedal I didn't like at all. And to my ears it was the most different from the real amp. But I also always found the UA plugin to sound like crap, so probably personal preference.
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Post by octalsocket on Jun 12, 2022 13:23:05 GMT -6
I have both the Ruby and the Woodrow, and I think they’re great.
The one thing that is a slight bummer about the Woodrow is the when both volume controls are above zero, the amp goes into “jumpered” mode.
That means you can’t use one channel to “starve” the other channel to get a particular kind of clean sound, but it remains pretty clean at the lowest volume setting, so it’s not a deal breaker.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 12, 2022 16:18:13 GMT -6
My four real amps are a Deluxe Reverb, an AC30Hw, a 5e3 Boutique and a Marshall 1987x I have to say that I'm pretty much recording through Load Box right now. Almost exclusively on a Suhr or the Fractal X-Load. So I'm used to hearing these amps outside their natural way. I've compared many ways of recording them and this way makes the most sense to me. I've collected the best IRs to my ears and that's it. I also have a small Helix and I had an Axe FX. With all that said, the demos I've heard of the Ruby and Dream really impressed me. Much more than Strymon or any other amp sim pedal like that. The Rhett video is really good and convincing, altought they are probably testing against the exact amps they've modeled, and with settings that are the closest ones they knpw. Nothing wrong with that, btw. Otoh, the Tweed pedal I didn't like at all. And to my ears it was the most different from the real amp. But I also always found the UA plugin to sound like crap, so probably personal preference. Tangent, but curious to know what IR’s you’ve landed on? |
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Post by donr on Jun 12, 2022 16:34:28 GMT -6
I'm late to this thread, listening for the first time today. I'm impressed with these UAD pedals, especially the Ruby and Dream. I think they'll compare favorably to the Iridium, which I'm using live, on the Marshall or Vox setting, with Two-Notes CabM IR. I also use drive pedals in front of the Iridium.
As for the Sunset video, those three guys could make anything sound good. Where there was a discernible difference between real amp and pedal, I thought the pedal tone was completely acceptable as a recordable sound. Which is where my head is, in 2022. Tim made a good point about the tools being the tools, in the classic recording studio heyday. You basically had three amps to choose from. Today there's tons more options, but choose something and make some music worth recording.
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Post by phantom on Jun 12, 2022 17:11:08 GMT -6
My four real amps are a Deluxe Reverb, an AC30Hw, a 5e3 Boutique and a Marshall 1987x I have to say that I'm pretty much recording through Load Box right now. Almost exclusively on a Suhr or the Fractal X-Load. So I'm used to hearing these amps outside their natural way. I've compared many ways of recording them and this way makes the most sense to me. I've collected the best IRs to my ears and that's it. I also have a small Helix and I had an Axe FX. With all that said, the demos I've heard of the Ruby and Dream really impressed me. Much more than Strymon or any other amp sim pedal like that. The Rhett video is really good and convincing, altought they are probably testing against the exact amps they've modeled, and with settings that are the closest ones they knpw. Nothing wrong with that, btw. Otoh, the Tweed pedal I didn't like at all. And to my ears it was the most different from the real amp. But I also always found the UA plugin to sound like crap, so probably personal preference. Tangent, but curious to know what IR’s you’ve landed on? Well, I feel that OwnHammer Evolution Bundle has pretty much what I need. I've tested a lot of IRs and stopped there. But since then, I bought some York Audio packs that are pretty good as well. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 12, 2022 17:35:52 GMT -6
Tangent, but curious to know what IR’s you’ve landed on? Well, I feel that OwnHammer Evolution Bundle has pretty much what I need. I've tested a lot of IRs and stopped there. But since then, I bought some York Audio packs that are pretty good as well. I’ve got the OwnHammer bundle and have been eyeing the York stuff. I’ve also got the Hislop stuff as well. I hear great things about York. |
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Post by phantom on Jun 12, 2022 19:57:56 GMT -6
Well, I feel that OwnHammer Evolution Bundle has pretty much what I need. I've tested a lot of IRs and stopped there. But since then, I bought some York Audio packs that are pretty good as well. I’ve got the OwnHammer bundle and have been eyeing the York stuff. I’ve also got the Hislop stuff as well. I hear great things about York. York is good, I like it. Hislop I never heard about it. I saw on his website that there are only 6 speakers. Are they good? Anyone that stands out? |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 12, 2022 20:05:20 GMT -6
My four real amps are a Deluxe Reverb, an AC30Hw, a 5e3 Boutique and a Marshall 1987x I have to say that I'm pretty much recording through Load Box right now. Almost exclusively on a Suhr or the Fractal X-Load. So I'm used to hearing these amps outside their natural way. I've compared many ways of recording them and this way makes the most sense to me. I've collected the best IRs to my ears and that's it. I also have a small Helix and I had an Axe FX. With all that said, the demos I've heard of the Ruby and Dream really impressed me. Much more than Strymon or any other amp sim pedal like that. The Rhett video is really good and convincing, altought they are probably testing against the exact amps they've modeled, and with settings that are the closest ones they knpw. Nothing wrong with that, btw. Otoh, the Tweed pedal I didn't like at all. And to my ears it was the most different from the real amp. But I also always found the UA plugin to sound like crap, so probably personal preference. |
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