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Post by tahoebrian5 on Mar 29, 2022 11:40:16 GMT -6
I’ve noticed being a rookie, having unfettered options like say Fabfilter eq is difficult to deal with. Too many options. It seems much easier to operate eqs with fixed frequency points.
I have a API 500a style eq on the way. I’m thinking about buying one more for now to play with. I m thinking 1073 style just to cover the most popular bases.
What else should I be considering? The Maag eqs look interesting.
So what are your desert island EQs that plug-ins don’t do justice?
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Post by tkaitkai on Mar 29, 2022 11:56:24 GMT -6
Desert island for me would be a Great River Harrison 32EQ. All the flexibility of an SSL with a really beautiful, smooth tone.
Personally, I wouldn't consider a 1073 a must-have for the EQ section alone. Don't get me wrong — they sound awesome and I absolutely love them for recording, but the EQ doesn't always work well on everything. The high shelf in particular always struck me as way too drastic on most sources.
Also, nothing wrong with digital EQs like FabFilter. I use analog EQs when I want tone/"color" (man, I'm starting to hate that term), and use FF as a bread & butter EQ to sculpt things in a mix. In a mixing situation, having limitless options is a blessing. Both have their place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 12:59:24 GMT -6
Must have hardware eqs in 2022? None. You're buying a BMW because you can't handle a Honda.
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Post by tahoebrian5 on Mar 29, 2022 13:01:02 GMT -6
Right, I’m not saying I don’t want to use Fab, I like it for surgical cuts, General high pass, etc. I’m just trying to get familiar with the “character” pieces that are worth having the hardware version. My impression, and I might be wrong, is API and Neve eqs add something to the audio that is in addition to just adding or cutting. Those are the things that seem worth having the hardware version. In some cases it seems like the plug in version just doesn’t get the same mojo. I’m basing this in part from comparing waves la2a to my audioscape Opto. Pretty big difference in my opinion.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 29, 2022 13:15:43 GMT -6
I like 550s for tracking. They seem to add something nice when instantiated, even with no boosts or cuts. Also 33115s are awesome.
I’d love a pultec too.
But, I’m quite happy with plugins, hardware is just fun.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 15:36:15 GMT -6
Right, I’m not saying I don’t want to use Fab, I like it for surgical cuts, General high pass, etc. I’m just trying to get familiar with the “character” pieces that are worth having the hardware version. My impression, and I might be wrong, is API and Neve eqs add something to the audio that is in addition to just adding or cutting. Those are the things that seem worth having the hardware version. In some cases it seems like the plug in version just doesn’t get the same mojo. I’m basing this in part from comparing waves la2a to my audioscape Opto. Pretty big difference in my opinion. The Waves CLA plugs are crap. The Waves API stuff is better but nothing like any hardware. You're just adding distortion and running out of clean gain while boosting leading to saturation. The other thing is running the hardware eq high shelf into something else that eats highs. Run your boosts on a clean eq into something for a similar effect itb. There are tons of decent saturators. Even the ancient Oxford "warmth" and Vintage Warmer still sound pretty good. Many of the older filters aren't the most utilitarian things either. The Neve 1073 12khz high shelve is resonant. The smoothest distortion machine "analog" eqs like this I've used itb are the old Variety of Sound Boot EQII with the vintage output stage on and the Tokyo Dawn Slick EQ GE with a colored output stage and saturation on while boosting. They are both incredibly non-linear and super smooth distortion machines. For resonating eq, that was the whole of the classic Waves Renaissance EQ. It has very unique filters even today.
Emulations: PSP Avedis E27, PSP NobleQex, the Apogee Pultec plugs, Black Rooster Vpre-73 high shelf, Fuse TCS-68, and the Fuse VQP Langevin eqs. The last are clean until you hit them hot. Hardware Single channel: API 500 something style eqs are classic filters for a reason. Kush eqs are good Speck are good Avedis e27 RND 551
Stereo on the cheap:
Drawmer 1974
Dangerous BAX EQ
Schiit Lokius and new Loki max.
Tegeler Creme gets you a pultech type thing and an ssl type thing in one box for 2k
If you really want Neve and API why not just get a silver bullet?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 29, 2022 15:59:17 GMT -6
Hmm, maybe you should consider the silver bullet in classified ?
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Post by subspace on Mar 29, 2022 16:06:47 GMT -6
Pretty much any hardware EQ is easier for me to use than a plug-in, so I still use quite a few with fixed frequency choices;
pair of 1073s pair of 1084s pair of 1081s pair of Pultecs
Don't find fully variable EQs any more difficult so long as they're in hardware form, still using these;
sixteen Trident 4-band EQs Tonelux stereo 4-band EQ
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 29, 2022 16:51:05 GMT -6
Iron Age Audio LH95 for sure. DIYRE EQP5 CAPI Stuff if you can find it HVA EQ-6s
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Post by tahoebrian5 on Mar 29, 2022 16:59:45 GMT -6
The silver bullet in the classifieds is mine. The eq is great but for some reason the mojo section doesn’t do anything for me so seems a shame to keep it just for the 2 eq. I’m on the list for the mk2 so maybe in year or so I’ll get another. For mojo, running signals thru preamps I’m liking the AS V108 better but I’ve only got one so that is my plan to get another and some other eq. Also have the AS bus comp on my mix bus. That seems to add more mojo just barely touching the meter than the SB mojo. But I could be gain staging or doing something else wrong. Like I said I’m just a rookie hobbyist but I’m a sucker for gear.
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Post by timcampbell on Mar 29, 2022 17:47:23 GMT -6
Well the very best hardware eq I ever use is a Gyraf G14 but hardware eq's that I find essential are a pair of TC Electronic 2240's. Great for drums and very surgical. The trouble is if there is one thing digital does best it is eq.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 19:13:12 GMT -6
The silver bullet in the classifieds is mine. The eq is great but for some reason the mojo section doesn’t do anything for me so seems a shame to keep it just for the 2 eq. I’m on the list for the mk2 so maybe in year or so I’ll get another. For mojo, running signals thru preamps I’m liking the AS V108 better but I’ve only got one so that is my plan to get another and some other eq. Also have the AS bus comp on my mix bus. That seems to add more mojo just barely touching the meter than the SB mojo. But I could be gain staging or doing something else wrong. Like I said I’m just a rookie hobbyist but I’m a sucker for gear. If the mojo section does nothing, you won't like current API, which is pretty clean except for the bass and high treble. CAPI might be more up your alley. You don't know what you want so buy used and sell if you don't like it.
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Post by drbill on Mar 29, 2022 20:11:17 GMT -6
I have 15+ pairs of analog EQ's from a variety of manufacturers but there are just a few essential hardware EQ's for me that I cannot live without :
- Miad LCPQ4040 - Vintage API 550A1 - Silver Bullet AIR & Sub band EQ's
- Honerable mention : Avalon 2055 which is great for surgical analog applications, but so are a lot of plugins. - 2nd Honerable mention : Original Eisen LilPEQr program EQ's.
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Post by tahoebrian5 on Mar 29, 2022 21:28:42 GMT -6
I do like the SB Eq quite a bit.. is it based on Pultec?
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Post by drbill on Mar 29, 2022 21:35:19 GMT -6
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Post by christophert on Mar 29, 2022 23:47:41 GMT -6
Miad LC4040's Amtec PEQ1A's HendyAmps Michelangelo Electrodyne 711's and 712's channel strips Avedis E27's and E12's Capi LC25's Heritage 6673's and 8173's Quadeight Coranado EQ's channel strips.
All my other hardware EQ's I could live without.
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 30, 2022 0:50:49 GMT -6
The biggest step forward my mixing ever took was putting across my stereo bus the Thermionic The Swift tube EQ (transformer balanced version)
I’ve yet to use a more musical sounding EQ.
It has Pultec style inductor passive mids, Bax low and high shelves - an interactive Pultec style high pass.
Then there’s a stunning Air band and to top it off a Presence knob with four levels of added presence.
The presence band is something unique from the designer and just one click around on this control opens up a mix in a really unique and musical way.
I thought the treble, air and presence bands might overlap but they don’t and each has its own special way of opening up different areas of the upper spectrum.
A great piece imho.
Brilliant for tracking too and individual instruments in a mix.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 30, 2022 5:04:50 GMT -6
Boy, that sounds , excuse the pun, like a great versatile design !
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 30, 2022 6:41:00 GMT -6
microphones
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Post by drumrec on Mar 30, 2022 7:29:14 GMT -6
They are absolutely magical to record with. Unfortunately, I only have two of them. But everything that goes through them comes out better
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Post by tahoebrian5 on Mar 30, 2022 8:08:06 GMT -6
Any 500 series clones of the 33515?
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Post by tahoebrian5 on Mar 30, 2022 8:11:19 GMT -6
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Post by tahoebrian5 on Mar 30, 2022 8:14:04 GMT -6
Must have hardware eqs in 2022? None. You're buying a BMW because you can't handle a Honda. Well my BMW S1000rr was actually much easier to ride than my Honda CBR1000rr ever was despite being much faster (over 200hp on 2 wheels!)
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Post by thecolourfulway on Mar 30, 2022 10:24:08 GMT -6
I’ll add Iron Age V2 to your growing list!
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Post by notneeson on Mar 30, 2022 11:20:29 GMT -6
Any 500 series clones of the 33515? Not that I know of. I never did any AB tests, but they did strike me as a a tad extra special compared to modern boutique stuff. Conventional wisdom says it’s the transformers.
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