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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2022 20:00:24 GMT -6
Yes, but only 17 UA plugs so far and the subscription fee.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 2, 2022 20:01:29 GMT -6
So, I have to "subscribe" to get the native plug-ins?
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 2, 2022 20:45:29 GMT -6
So, I have to "subscribe" to get the native plug-ins? The ones you own licenses to already are automatically added to your account. You have to set it up through UA connect software. |
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Post by javamad on Apr 2, 2022 22:41:50 GMT -6
Just getting my head together on this - it means i don't have to cart a piece of UAD hardware when recording remotely - I like! Cheers, Ross You would not get the low latency of the Apollo HW though if you are recording through native versions … they would be running inside your DAW like any other plug. So no low latency cues for example. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2022 1:06:44 GMT -6
So, I have to "subscribe" to get the native plug-ins? No. When you download the current UA update, the UA connect app is included. You install the UA OS as usual, then open UA control, log into your UA account to set ilok link and hit refresh to start process of getting your uadX plugs, can take a few days, but you end up with a second uadX folder in your logic plug in manager that holds your uadX plugs, which you select like normal. Most plugs load fine, some are having a problem with studer playing peek a boo, appearing and disappearing in UA control. I have this occurring. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2022 1:15:53 GMT -6
A possible fix for studer:
“Quote Originally Posted by Daveporter33765 View Post
I found a way to download and install the Studer A800 on my systems. This may or may not work for you.
Start with your Mac fully up and running
Then close the UA Connect App
Shut down your Mac
Restart your Mac
After the Mac has fully started, open the UA Connect App
Hopefully the Studer will flash onto your list of plugins
If so, very quickly hit the download button for the Studer (you may only have a second to do this so you have to be fast)
If you succeed the Studer will be installed.
If you don’t hit the button quick enough you have to start at the first step again.
Hope this works for you.“
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2022 14:06:02 GMT -6
Re: above, do this first:
“Deactivate the license in iLok, quit Connect and relaunch, should then flash up briefly. Worked for me, but had to toggle the iLok licence on/off a few times as I wasn't quick enough first time around.“
Deactivating should reset the install with authority link, so it should flash up on your uac screen.
btw sone people are deleting uac from their apps after install but Drew cautioned , you’ll miss uadX update info that will be sent to your uac app, if I understood correctly.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Apr 3, 2022 14:44:45 GMT -6
I myself am gonna wait a few weeks till the bugs work out
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2022 14:50:07 GMT -6
I have everything except studer all ready and they all load fine in logic.
Once you hit refresh once, you don’t have to do it again, just be patient, if anything peak demand is already passed anyway.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 4, 2022 4:24:45 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 4, 2022 11:40:39 GMT -6
OK - because I'm dense. If I pay the $149 for a year of Spark, do I get to use ALL the UAD plugins even with my DSP? Or do I only get what's listed and available for Spark?
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 4, 2022 11:48:37 GMT -6
OK - because I'm dense. If I pay the $149 for a year of Spark, do I get to use ALL the UAD plugins even with my DSP? Or do I only get what's listed and available for Spark? It’s my understanding that it’s just the handful of UADx plugs that will only run natively. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 4, 2022 12:11:21 GMT -6
Correct, only the 17 spark plugs are in sub plan, spark is really for volt owners.
Drew has said UA will bring more UA dsp plugs to uadX but slow not fast, so don’t hold your breath.
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Post by Quint on Apr 4, 2022 12:44:53 GMT -6
Correct, only the 17 spark plugs are in sub plan, spark is really for volt owners. Drew has said UA will bring more UA dsp plugs to uadX but slow not fast, so don’t hold your breath. Well, Spark is really for everyone. Even current UAD2 users. Your interface or DAW doesn't matter. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 4, 2022 14:26:18 GMT -6
I am saying spark was designed as a package to sell to those who have no on board dsp chips and are unlikely to have a satellite etc.
Sure other people can use them too but I think that was secondary.
Personally, I basically don’t use any of of the spark plugs now for mixing. NIce that they are uadX but doesn’t really matter to me.
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Post by Quint on Apr 4, 2022 14:34:10 GMT -6
I am saying spark was designed as a package to sell to those who have no on board dsp chips and are unlikely to have a satellite etc. Sure other people can use them too but I think that was secondary. Personally, I basically don’t use any of of the spark plugs now for mixing. NIce that they are uadX but doesn’t really matter to me. I wouldn't agree with that. I think they are trying to sell UADx native plugins to everyone, regardless of whether they own a Volt or any other interface. There is a LARGE crowd out there that hasn't wanted to or couldn't go the Apollo/Satellite route, for any number of different reasons, that will be all about UAD going native. Hell, I'm an Apollo user and have been with UAD for a decade. I still think it was smart for UA to offer a native alternative. I'll certainly be using native in conjunction with my DSP. |
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Post by Guitar on Apr 4, 2022 14:48:19 GMT -6
I think the excitement around UADx native plugins goes far beyond people who own some specific interface.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 4, 2022 14:52:57 GMT -6
Not all of them. Why would you get more than what's listed coming with the service? They spell out on the website what is included.
Once you sign in to UA Connect it picks up your iLok info that's already in the system for Luna, and that just populates the licenses for the native plugins you already own the DSP versions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 14:56:46 GMT -6
I am saying spark was designed as a package to sell to those who have no on board dsp chips and are unlikely to have a satellite etc. Sure other people can use them too but I think that was secondary. Personally, I basically don’t use any of of the spark plugs now for mixing. NIce that they are uadX but doesn’t really matter to me. Their plugs weren't selling at all to anyone without a UAD Apollo interface or card. Which is most pros with Avid HDX, RME, Lynx, and Apogee setups and everyone with entry level stuff.
If you're a big plugin company and have walled off the majority of the market, then you have a much smaller warchest to contract programmers to make more stuff to get more money, write better drivers, and get more users.
Also UAD needs to go native to compete with modern algorithms. Being on top with UAD2 in 2008 doesn't cut it in 2022. Their plugs just don't hang with Goodhertz, Tokyo Dawn, U-he, Tone Projects, even the recent oversampled PSP plugs etc who've been exploiting native cpus for a decade to run crazy non-linear algorithms.
Then all the subscriptions getting people a bunch of cool stuff that's not as good as the above right away for less than a meal out a month? Slate, Plugin Alliance, Izotope, Kush, etc
And the UAD2 was developed native and ported to the slower SHARCs meaning that UAD might have had to compromise their algorithms.
Notice how censored the gearsafespace thread has been? All the talk of Spark being a SHARC emulation layer has been erased. The plugs being developed native means they probably can eventually be ported to UADx if Spark is indeed a SHARC emulation. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 4, 2022 16:32:35 GMT -6
I don’t recall saying UA wasn’t interested in getting more money from new clients. I just said I thought volt clients and prospective volt clients were top of mind .
It will be interesting to see what gets added and what happens to monthly charge.
Btw the studer fix is in, so you should be able to get it now.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 4, 2022 16:36:26 GMT -6
Sorry Dan, sparc is a sharc emulation: Wtf, that’s just a nutty thing for people on gs to say .
It can’t be that difficult to reskin preexisting code to run on a different chip ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 5, 2022 10:15:14 GMT -6
I am saying spark was designed as a package to sell to those who have no on board dsp chips and are unlikely to have a satellite etc. Sure other people can use them too but I think that was secondary. Personally, I basically don’t use any of of the spark plugs now for mixing. NIce that they are uadX but doesn’t really matter to me. Their plugs weren't selling at all to anyone without a UAD Apollo interface or card. Which is most pros with Avid HDX, RME, Lynx, and Apogee setups and everyone with entry level stuff.
If you're a big plugin company and have walled off the majority of the market, then you have a much smaller warchest to contract programmers to make more stuff to get more money, write better drivers, and get more users.
Also UAD needs to go native to compete with modern algorithms. Being on top with UAD2 in 2008 doesn't cut it in 2022. Their plugs just don't hang with Goodhertz, Tokyo Dawn, U-he, Tone Projects, even the recent oversampled PSP plugs etc who've been exploiting native cpus for a decade to run crazy non-linear algorithms.
Then all the subscriptions getting people a bunch of cool stuff that's not as good as the above right away for less than a meal out a month? Slate, Plugin Alliance, Izotope, Kush, etc
And the UAD2 was developed native and ported to the slower SHARCs meaning that UAD might have had to compromise their algorithms.
Notice how censored the gearsafespace thread has been? All the talk of Spark being a SHARC emulation layer has been erased. The plugs being developed native means they probably can eventually be ported to UADx if Spark is indeed a SHARC emulation.  |
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Post by seawell on Apr 7, 2022 13:28:23 GMT -6
I did a null test + CPU(intel Mac mini) vs DSP(Quad UAD-2 satellite) comparison for anyone interested in that:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2022 8:55:32 GMT -6
Well, it's good to know that I didn't waste an extortionate amount on plugs when I switched over to outboard. That's if enough of the one's I bought become available..
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 8, 2022 9:21:45 GMT -6
I think UA will be very cagey about what gets ported to uadX and when !  |
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