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Post by Guitar on Jan 30, 2022 12:02:26 GMT -6
Sweetwater has gotten stingy too. They expect you to pay full sticker price plus tax on everything now. This is very likely directly related to the buy out of the company by an investment firm.
Pretty soon we're gonna be saying the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
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Post by spindrift on Jan 30, 2022 12:07:30 GMT -6
The Japanese mic sellers seem to be the worst. I saw them advertise a KM84 pair for $13,500. And there’s the guy that advertises the same picture of a pair of minty C-48s for between $9,000 and $12,000.
I always lowball them and ask them if they have lost their minds 😂
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Post by ulriggribbons on Jan 30, 2022 12:14:49 GMT -6
Looked at the price of the Wurlitzer 200a and the Fender Rhodes 73 today.....
*wakes from faint* Oh hey, what were we talking about?
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Post by gwlee7 on Jan 30, 2022 12:15:27 GMT -6
gear inflation is real! I wonder if people are raising their prices because they realize they have to pay 30% income tax on what they sell at the end of the year. (I started another thread on that) The tax is only on there mark up, if a lot of the flippers do there due diligence and keep track of expenses that might actually do better tax wise. Also there tax liability hasn’t changed just that payment systems will be reporting it. I have purposefully not sold a single piece of gear for more than I paid for it. This is just another reason why. |
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 30, 2022 13:29:08 GMT -6
The tax is only on there mark up, if a lot of the flippers do there due diligence and keep track of expenses that might actually do better tax wise. Also there tax liability hasn’t changed just that payment systems will be reporting it. I have purposefully not sold a single piece of gear for more than I paid for it. This is just another reason why. I'm the complete opposite. I usually only buy gear if it is a really really good price, or there is something wrong with it and I fix it up on the bench. I enjoy getting to try out new sounds and gear, and prob spend about half of my time doing this type of thing vs actually making music. 9 out of 10 items i buy online are ~40 years older or more, I have to service in some way, and I sell it for more than I pay for it. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Jan 30, 2022 15:26:41 GMT -6
I have purposefully not sold a single piece of gear for more than I paid for it. This is just another reason why. I'm the complete opposite. I usually only buy gear if it is a really really good price, or there is something wrong with it and I fix it up on the bench. I enjoy getting to try out new sounds and gear, and prob spend about half of my time doing this type of thing vs actually making music. 9 out of 10 items i buy online are ~40 years older or more, I have to service in some way, and I sell it for more than I pay for it. The difference here is that you have bought pieces of gear with the intention of adding value to them. You should be compensated fairly for the expense of doing that both in materials and labor. What I am talking about is having a piece of gear for a while and then deciding it either no longer meets my needs, I have outgrown it in some way, or should not have purchased it in the first place. I have no desire profit in these situations and on fact, derive a lot of pleasure in re-homing these pieces to some one who can and will use them at a more than fair price. I have no need to get over on anyone just because the market is hot right now. There is an Audioscape MEQ on Reverb right now for $960 in alleged mint when brand new they are $899. I sold mine which was definitely mint to an RGO member yesterday for $775. |
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 30, 2022 15:34:38 GMT -6
Yeh bottom line is gonna have to re-think this a bit….
Sometimes on occasion i pay top dollar for new gear too if i really think i want it. (Like an RS124 been looking at)
Anyways…gotta think this over a bit more now.
This is a hobby for me, not in it for the money.
Been buying & selling gear for the past 15+ years, learning/fixing and having fun along the way. Keeping what i use regularly and selling the rest.
But if it means I'm now taxed on both sides, then it 100% changes the equation for me. Happy to invest in some gear and continue to break even, but not take a loss. Might as well just keep everything now and not sell anything.
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Post by drbill on Jan 30, 2022 16:29:04 GMT -6
Trading is the new future.....
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Post by ericn on Jan 30, 2022 18:12:30 GMT -6
Trading is the new future..... It could be but, very very little of the barter based transactions are strictly gear for gear, there is useally some cash involved and that my friend will probably make it ugly has hell! |
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Post by drbill on Jan 31, 2022 11:02:08 GMT -6
No doubt. The gov and our politicians are going to have to figure out whether or not we're citizens who employ them or serfs. Strike that. I think they already have. With all the other BS going on, I fear this will get ugly quickly.
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Post by ericn on Jan 31, 2022 13:24:30 GMT -6
No doubt. The gov and our politicians are going to have to figure out whether or not we're citizens who employ them or serfs. Strike that. I think they already have. With all the other BS going on, I fear this will get ugly quickly. The US tax code, or more appropriately the book of legal graft is what makes the whole bloated political money world goes around! Seriously Google the addresses on K Street for some of the big lobbyists, then take a look at what that space rents for. It’s all for the legal bribery we call lobbying most of witch is about taxes. Collectively we probably do provide more tax revenue than the 1 percent but, if you have Exxon’s guy, then the Farmers guy, followed buy Tysons guy and the guy from the insurance industry all buying you expensive dinners and saying “ look don’t go after us, come on you know even your wife and kids aren’t reporting this income.” It’s just easy, then out of the other side of your mouth you can say you didn’t ever raise taxes. Because you didn’t you just figured out how to collect what people should have been paying. |
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Post by plinker on Jan 31, 2022 14:04:17 GMT -6
"the book of legal graft"
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 31, 2022 14:40:49 GMT -6
"the book of legal graft" :-) Haha... I was going to isolate that too. That's too good of a quote to be buried in a larger post. Love it. So sad, so true. |
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Post by ulriggribbons on Feb 4, 2022 16:07:07 GMT -6
As long as corporations are people, we all are serfs!
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 4, 2022 17:06:41 GMT -6
Also just another step in the quest to destroy the middle and working classes. That's happening in so many ways.
Edit: removed "not"
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Post by chessparov on Feb 6, 2022 19:17:58 GMT -6
Anything from RetroGearShop. Seriously. There was a transcription disc of a Pope on ebay for $100K. Been there for years. Don't see it ATM. Related, there was "the Pope's RCA OP-6" with a Vatican label, also $100K. Haven't seen that pop up in a decade. Uh oh. Sounds like they might be praying on people.  Will catch up soon. BTW my Aunt (Dad's side) was an interpreter at the Vatican. Spoke 17 languages and dialects. Tops in her field, for Pig Latin. Chris |
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Post by timcampbell on Feb 17, 2022 21:54:36 GMT -6
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Post by dok on Feb 17, 2022 22:11:01 GMT -6
Looked at the price of the Wurlitzer 200a and the Fender Rhodes 73 today..... *wakes from faint* Oh hey, what were we talking about? Yeah. These prices are just absolutely insane. I'll never get to replace my old Wurly now.  |
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Post by forgotteng on Feb 18, 2022 21:02:01 GMT -6
A few years back in a time of boredom and frustration with crazy people and obnoxious boutique culture I decided to do a social experiment. I had a pair of Dizengoff D864's that I wasn't using as much as I thought I could be so I did a social experiment and put one up for sale at a reasonable price and the other I marked up at an obnoxious price. I figured I wasn't that motivated to sell but if some goofball drunk on boutique kool-aid sent me money then so be it. Then I laughed at all the angry messages I got for a couple of months. Eventually I wised up and figured out that only I was getting the joke and I took it down.
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Post by plinker on Feb 18, 2022 23:41:49 GMT -6
A few years back in a time of boredom and frustration with crazy people and obnoxious boutique culture I decided to do a social experiment. I had a pair of Dizengoff D864's that I wasn't using as much as I thought I could be so I did a social experiment and put one up for sale at a reasonable price and the other I marked up at an obnoxious price. I figured I wasn't that motivated to sell but if some goofball drunk on boutique kool-aid sent me money then so be it. Then I laughed at all the angry messages I got for a couple of months. Eventually I wised up and figured out that only I was getting the joke and I took it down. So YOU started all this?!
I knew it!
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Post by sopwith on Feb 19, 2022 2:48:13 GMT -6
Looked at the price of the Wurlitzer 200a and the Fender Rhodes 73 today..... *wakes from faint* Oh hey, what were we talking about? Yeah. These prices are just absolutely insane. I'll never get to replace my old Wurly now. 
I'm gonna grab a few parts from Major Key and get my Mark I 73 Stage in tip top shape, then decide if I have the heart to sell it.
I'm the second owner. Bought it for $350 out of an old lady's barn in Western Mass when I was 20.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 11:45:27 GMT -6
A few years back in a time of boredom and frustration with crazy people and obnoxious boutique culture I decided to do a social experiment. I had a pair of Dizengoff D864's that I wasn't using as much as I thought I could be so I did a social experiment and put one up for sale at a reasonable price and the other I marked up at an obnoxious price. I figured I wasn't that motivated to sell but if some goofball drunk on boutique kool-aid sent me money then so be it. Then I laughed at all the angry messages I got for a couple of months. Eventually I wised up and figured out that only I was getting the joke and I took it down. Honestly the best current stuff to work with with I've used wasn't even boutique. People are just willing to drop thousands on gear they hope will be a magic bullet. What worked was pretty unassuming stuff like Drawmer, Daking, DBX not the 166/266, FMR, Lynx DA, Apogee pres and AD conversion, Crane Song, Shure KSMs, EVs, random mid forward monitors (Yamaha, Fostex 6301, 6" KRKs, small ATCs, the less veiled Focals), that just let you work or force you to do positive things. There's nothing really exceptional about them other than headroom and they don't make things sound awesome but they work. While a lot of the more expensive stuff is basically a special affect or does one thing really well or doesn't do much at all but has good tone. But a nice box tone on one thing won't save your mix and might not stack as well as the more ho hum stuff or might not work at all so you need more utility stuff that will always work while the boutique stuff or vintage clones sit unused. Like I remember when the Distressor hype was huge, and it's still huge for some people, but there's no way that distortion is going to work for most stuff not modern irradiated rock/pop/metal.
A lot of the "clean" modern stuff is also "clean but not clear" and has a bad high end or captures way too much and needs a ton of EQ like bright condensers. Like there are clearer SDCs than the KSMs, which are kinda woody, or the Beyer MC930, which are weirdly soft, but you might have to eq them more and the final result is less natural and true to source than if you used the "dirtier" mic that worked with less filtering. And the sound gets filtered to hell but that's the only way to make it work with the clearer mic. |
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Post by forgotteng on Feb 19, 2022 11:57:33 GMT -6
Well, I get frustrated by people over-obsessing about gear but there is no denying that this is a great time to be an audio technician. There are so many gear options and price points that there seems something for everyone, whether I like the piece or not. I have benefitted by the price points on small batch gear. It's all part of the fun. I have been tricked by marketing hype too. And some of the standbys are great too. I just picked up the Drawmer 1974 EQ and it is outstanding. It's just not a sexy piece to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 14:06:27 GMT -6
Well, I get frustrated by people over-obsessing about gear but there is no denying that this is a great time to be an audio technician. There are so many gear options and price points that there seems something for everyone, whether I like the piece or not. I have benefitted by the price points on small batch gear. It's all part of the fun. I have been tricked by marketing hype too. And some of the standbys are great too. I just picked up the Drawmer 1974 EQ and it is outstanding. It's just not a sexy piece to talk about. Drawmer's later stuff rules. If you can't get the 1978 to do what you want on drum bus, nothing will. |
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Post by forgotteng on Feb 19, 2022 14:29:00 GMT -6
Well, I get frustrated by people over-obsessing about gear but there is no denying that this is a great time to be an audio technician. There are so many gear options and price points that there seems something for everyone, whether I like the piece or not. I have benefitted by the price points on small batch gear. It's all part of the fun. I have been tricked by marketing hype too. And some of the standbys are great too. I just picked up the Drawmer 1974 EQ and it is outstanding. It's just not a sexy piece to talk about. Drawmer's later stuff rules. If you can't get the 1978 to do what you want on drum bus, nothing will. Yes, absolutely. I have a 1968ME that surprises me every time I put signal through it. |
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