When this guy can't get on the radio, somethings wrong.

I'll make a prediction:
The radio royalty rate will soon change, for the worse, because radio will complain that if youtube, spotify and others can get away with paying a royalty rate of 0.01¢ then when should radio have to pay 100 times that?

And then synchronization rates will tumble too.


Edit: Spotify and Pandora pay around .00011 cents per stream.

Actually I suspect radio is going to be dragged kicking and screaming into parity with European radio where artists also get paid and songwriters do better than here. Most Americans don't realize that Radio Sweden, for example, pays around $7 a play that gets split between the artist and writers. Yes, that's dollars!

Music is still the cheapest form of programming radio has. Copyright on spoken word is way more restrictive.

The reason I'm so passionate about this is because most of the great artists of the past 50 years could not have had a career today. It makes me sick.

Do you mean strictly from a "business" aspect ? Or also what people today regard as good music ?



 

I mean they couldn't afford to pursue a music career and would have done something else with their life. Hell, I couldn't have afforded to pursue my career.

Don't forget, the per stream rate is for ONE listener. Radio play assumes whatever audience of people x number of plays, when the compensation was originally hammered out. If station has 50,000 listeners, and the song gets 15 plays a day when it's a hit, that would be equivalent to 750,000 internet plays/day, just on that one station. 

Also I would make the point that no songs were hits on their own in the heyday, with the possible exception of a really hot artist's latest. You had to buy airplay, to get the song to first base on radio, with 'independent promotion men.' That was the workaround, so labels didn't directly buy off DJ's and program directors. Payola was real. It probably still goes on, with terrestrial radio.

Buck is intimating that indeed it IS still happening, but with a degree of separation to meet statutory guidelines.

NOW THEN... Can we open the discussion up to include Sirius/XM and other similar 'satellite' radio providers? My understanding is they pay ø in royalties.

That's why I argue that internet streaming should be valued even more - because I would say they're more valuable. How many of those 50,000 listeners are really listening to their radio? How do they arrive at that number? It's all guesstimates - and has been fair and served us well. But with streaming radio, a user intentionally searches out a genre, a style, and in most cases - the actual artists - to listen to. They are almost 100% of the time assured to be within earshot of the broadcast. The internet listener is MUCH more attentive and valuable to advertisers - and the value should reflect that.

I know Spotify and Pandora complain that they wouldn't be able to stay afloat if royalties aren't driven down...well, it's called CAPITALISM. I can't afford to buy steaks every day, maybe Publix shouldgive them to me for a reasonable price...and you know what, I think that reasonable price should be .00011 cents.

WARNING RANTY; This is a discussion of symptoms, not so much of the much greater and core problem that is being ignored. check your knee jerk politics at the door, Capitalism and Socialism both work in theory and on paper, but they are both built upon a very flawed premiss, that all men are Honorable!!!! Back when Bob started out, people believed/cared about much more than the bottom line, greed was more of an outlier, and shame was alive. Now the "what's in it for me" crowd has not only taken over, it is lionized by the day walking mouth breathing populous? Yes these people possess virtually all the capital, and they buy their own laws and make their own rules to take even more! It's parasitic in nature, a parasite by nature, will uncontrollably suck and grow until their host is sucked dry, eventually killing their host and themselves!!(song writers/music industry or who ever?) Don't believe it? see financial collapse and all extenuating circumstances of sept 2008. There are no longer checks and balances, or sense of fairness within this system. People, country, culture and livelihoods be damned, "what's in it for me" rules the day.

Control the money, control the message, get gullible people to work against their own best interests, make more money, control the message, get gullible people to work against their own best interest, make more $.......... the circle of the modern day capitalist agenda set upon a dumbed down society continues! Greedy people love stupid as it's easy to get "stupid" to part with it's $. Still don't believe it? two words "kim kardashian", or "tea/dem/repub party" or maybe even "bro country"? It's all a sign of the times, it's everywhere! Mis inform, indoctrinate, propagandize and dismantle peoples ability to unite. It's the tried and trued divide and conquer strategy, only when one of the 3 remaining banks forecloses on their house, do people realize they've been had.

If the bulk populous of the artists, from conception through capture of all music, formed a real union, none of this would have happened, power without capital is achieved only in sheer numbers of like minded people in a united front. At this point, achieving a just system of compensation for your efforts is a sheer cliff climb battle, forget about "up hill"!

Of course as always, JMO   And to be Clear, i'm calling no one here stupid, very much respect for all, i'm just trying to point out the not so obvious as i see it.

RANT OVER LOL

come on JK, read my post again, spotify and pandora do have a shitty model, just like the banks did, they lobby and buy their own rules by buying influence in government, i wasn't putting up an argument to support any political platform(i'm actually supporting YOU), if anything, i'm putting up an argument against fascism("the hijacking of government by monied interests" by definition), and advocating for the rights of people, it's about simple justice, your response is as if you didn't read my post beyond the first line, but what ever man, i said my piece.