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Post by matt on May 19, 2014 9:32:05 GMT -6
I actually had a young man tell me once that what he wanted to do for a living was sell his sperm What? I've been giving it way all my life! How stupid of me! I could have been monetizing, um, it, all these years? Sheesh |
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Post by tonycamphd on May 19, 2014 9:51:13 GMT -6
I actually had a young man tell me once that what he wanted to do for a living was sell his sperm What? I've been giving it way all my life! How stupid of me! I could have been monetizing, um, it, all these years? Sheesh What! you can make money off selling sperm? Damn! i've wasted thousands of dollar$ on my carpet!  |
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Post by donr on May 19, 2014 16:19:42 GMT -6
The minute somebody talks about RIAA lawsuits it's a sign that they are parroting consumer tech industry press releases and have not done their homework on this subject.
Only artists, songwriters, labels and publishers ever sued anybody and the only people they sued are a handful of folks who each got caught red-handed having uploaded thousands of songs for people to loot. The "RIAA lawsuit" BS is a strategy to depersonalize the victims and make the perpetrators sound like innocent downloaders. What's unfortunate is that nobody pressed criminal charges and none of these people went to jail. A lawsuit defended by the Intel-funded EFF is not an effective deterrent.
The problem with looting is that it ended angel investment in young artists. RIAA states the purpose of the lawsuits was to create awareness that 'downloading' is in fact illegal. (But then, so is entering the United States without proper documentation or clearances.) The FAQ doesn't say why the notification program ended, but the RIAA must have come to the conclusion it wasn't helping the PR of its members. I don't see the consumer tech industry as much a villain as Bob does, I regard them as somewhat agnostic, since they also are in the software business (they were in software before music makers turned into software vendors,) and they got pirated and 'cracked' before record companies. Of course they have no particular interest in the financial health of the music business. Before the labels signed up when Apple created iTunes , they had to demonstrate and implement DRM that the labels were satisfied with. It was ultimately abandoned, because people didn't like it, and other vendors didn't use any. Like any other software, some will pay for music, and some will steal it. I am all for restoring personal and business integrity to the creation, sale, distribution and consumption of what's become software that allows hearing music. By any practical means. I make about half my living on recordings made between 1972 and the 2000's, which have retained decent value to this day, and I'm still counting on to provide some level of retirement someday not too far off. My point was, the dawn of the information age we live in irrevocably changed what had been a fairly stable business model for people involved in recorded music. It will never be the way it was, and one stands a better chance going forward riding the horse of life in the direction it's going. I think the way it's going is away from owning music at all, and toward the ultimate jukebox in the cloud, where everything can be heard whenever you want it wherever you are on demand, for a subscription fee or direct metering of consumption. Terrestrial radio has killed itself, maybe there will emerge new outlets where one could dependably hear new music that has been pre-screened for discerning tastes, hopefully our own. There's so much new stuff out there. Remember in the glory days of the record business, when radio promoted the hits, consumers didn't actually hear THAT much new music. A few new tunes a week on the top 40 stations, and maybe a handful of different music formats on radio in a given metro market. There's much more out there today, and not just in one country. You hear stuff from all over the world, easily. It's hard to have a hit in the old sense with all the noise any given track has to compete with for listeners. |
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Post by levon on May 20, 2014 7:40:14 GMT -6
And have been for a long time. |
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Post by levon on May 20, 2014 7:44:35 GMT -6
Your wrong Tony. It's "my daddy's tractor". A youngster would have to have a J.O.B. to be able to afford their own. That ain't happening with this generation of derelicts. I actually had a young man tell me once that what he wanted to do for a living was sell his sperm. And that he loves bro country. You guys make me laugh. I remember having the very same type of conversation with my buddy many moons ago, when you had to have 'neon city lights' in all lyrics. What about 'I woke up this morning', lol... |
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Post by levon on May 20, 2014 7:45:32 GMT -6
What? I've been giving it way all my life! How stupid of me! I could have been monetizing, um, it, all these years? Sheesh What! you can make money off selling sperm? Damn! i've wasted thousands of dollar$ on my carpet! Remind me to never step on your carpet...  |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 20, 2014 7:55:35 GMT -6
Your wrong Tony. It's "my daddy's tractor". A youngster would have to have a J.O.B. to be able to afford their own. That ain't happening with this generation of derelicts. I actually had a young man tell me once that what he wanted to do for a living was sell his sperm. And that he loves bro country. You guys make me laugh. I remember having the very same type of conversation with my buddy many moons ago, when you had to have 'neon city lights' in all lyrics. What about 'I woke up this morning', lol... ..."hands in the air" or similar.  |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 20, 2014 9:23:04 GMT -6
The reason the artists stopped the lawsuits was because the labels had entered into enforcement agreements with the ISPs. If you don't defend copyrights, patents and trademarks, you can lose them. Again the RIAA never sued anybody and that statement does not dispute this fact.
Of course lots of people own lots of shares in the various tech Ponzi schemes and want to keep the mythology going until after they've made their killing in the stock market. I don't own any stock in anything and I don't earn any royalties. My clients do earn royalties. Is anybody else willing to come clean about their personal financial interest in this issue?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 20, 2014 9:43:19 GMT -6
I really don't know if I follow, Bob.
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Post by scumbum on May 20, 2014 10:44:25 GMT -6
I really don't know if I follow, Bob. I think hes saying "the internet is the Devil"! But seriously , how the hell does youtube get away with having a whole music store inventory uploaded where everyone can freely listen to anything they want ? Youtube pretends like they are trying to take stuff down thats illegal , a couple of songs here and there.........but anybody else that runs a website out in the open freely with large amounts of illegal content gets shut down , but youtube is free to do what they want ? Right now I can search and find any song I want to listen to on there . Youtube is the main problem with music not being worth anything . |
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Post by henge on May 20, 2014 10:57:14 GMT -6
What? I've been giving it way all my life! How stupid of me! I could have been monetizing, um, it, all these years? Sheesh What! you can make money off selling sperm? Damn! i've wasted thousands of dollar$ on my carpet! Aw man...LOL |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 22, 2014 12:29:33 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2014 13:04:55 GMT -6
THAT is fantastic
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Post by Ward on May 23, 2014 8:37:38 GMT -6
I actually had a young man tell me once that what he wanted to do for a living was sell his sperm What? I've been giving it way all my life! How stupid of me! I could have been monetizing, um, it, all these years? Sheesh I feel the same way about sex. I could have been charging for that the whole time! oh, the sperm I have wasted... |
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Post by Ward on May 23, 2014 8:39:31 GMT -6
The problem with looting is that it ended angel investment in young artists. ^^ This. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 23, 2014 10:26:13 GMT -6
Yes indeed, this!
One problem is that most people ranting about this stuff have no idea of the actual path most artists took to become successful or of the role record labels actually played which was never nearly as much as people seem to assume. I've only been a fly on the wall and am hardly any expert yet I often feel like I know more than lots of people who really ought to know more than I do. That's frankly scary.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2014 12:15:40 GMT -6
I truly think the killer for this industry ultimately boils down to illegal downloading. I know some people say that it's a multitude of issues, but free music is def the main one. Believe me, if there was a way to steal Starbucks coffee, they would go out of business. But that would never happen because perpetrators would be put in jail.
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Post by scumbum on May 23, 2014 14:07:20 GMT -6
perpetrators would be put in jail. Ha ! I know . But not just illegal downloading , like I said earlier youtube is pretty much a whole music library for FREE ! Every time someone tells me , "Hey check out this song..." , where do we go , youtube . And with everyone having smart phones its like bringing that whole music library where ever you go . This really hit home for me when my mom was trying to learn ukulele . She had her song list of songs she wanted to learn . So I sit down to listen and help her and she goes to youtube and makes a playlist of all the songs so she can play along with them . At that moment I remembered how it was for me when I was learning to play guitar , I DIDN'T have youtube or the internet , so know what I had to do when I wanted to learn a song or list of songs........ I HAD to go out and BUY the damn CD's ! And maybe even the TAB books ! I was like heck mom you have it easy today . When I wanted to learn a song I had to go out and buy it , all you have to do is type the song on youtube and you have all of Tower Records Library for free . Any access to anything that is free , how the hell can you compete with that . But Google has more Money and Power than the music industry so they can't stop them . |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 23, 2014 16:57:47 GMT -6
I think downloads have stopped us from raising the money to fix the problem created by the loss of most local live music and experienced young artists.
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Post by donr on May 23, 2014 21:31:21 GMT -6
Last night on Jimmy Fallon, the Red Hot Chili Peppers did "Don't Fear The Reaper" with Will Ferrell on cowbell, after a "drum off" between Will and Chad Smith. As of now, it's over 7 million views on youtube, overnight.
Since I wrote the song, I'll let you know here when it shows up on my publishing and/or ASCAP statements (six months to a year, I'm guessing) and we'll have a measurable metric of how the internet payment for songwriters is, since this event should be discrete on the paperwork, and the plays are listed on youtube. I joked with my manager that I might get the supersize meal at McDonald's when it was around 2 million.
BTW, I'd never do this in any other forum. Just John's place.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2014 21:32:47 GMT -6
You da man... donrI actually started a thread about the video and then someone else started a second one! |
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Post by scumbum on May 23, 2014 22:07:00 GMT -6
Last night on Jimmy Fallon, the Red Hot Chili Peppers did "Don't Fear The Reaper" with Will Ferrell on cowbell, after a "drum off" between Will and Chad Smith. As of now, it's over 7 million views on youtube, overnight. Since I wrote the song, I'll let you know here when it shows up on my publishing and/or ASCAP statements (six months to a year, I'm guessing) and we'll have a measurable metric of how the internet payment for songwriters is, since this event should be discrete on the paperwork, and the plays are listed on youtube. I joked with my manager that I might get the supersize meal at McDonald's when it was around 2 million. BTW, I'd never do this in any other forum. Just John's place. That drum off was the funniest thing I've seen in years ! That video on youtube is gonna get A LOT of views and continue to climb . Thats great its a legit upload so you'll actually get paid . By the way...I didn't know Royalty was on this forum .  |
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Post by keymod on May 24, 2014 4:19:19 GMT -6
Mr Donr, that's very cool of you to consider doing that for us - thanks.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 24, 2014 6:48:57 GMT -6
My friend, bass player Sal Maida, is in the band Cracker. He mentioned to me that one of their songs got 1.4 million plays on a service, (I think Spotify) , the writer received a check for $45. I sure hope you see something a lot more substantial than that donr.
Somewhere there's a prick who owns that service sitting on a yacht drinking Dom Perignon, trying to figure out how to fuck musicians out of even more money because his yacht's not as big as the silicon valley star's yacht parked next to his.
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Post by scumbum on May 24, 2014 10:28:00 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure for youtube its $1,000 per Million views . But , if the show gets a cut and then for using the song he gets a cut.......I have no idea what that will amount to .
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