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Post by crillemannen on Nov 2, 2022 4:42:32 GMT -6
New vocal shootout between the M49s V & C and TLM 103: The m49 was the clear winner there. Natural and huge. There is something papery in the mids on the M49V. Does it matter in a mixed context, probably not but the vintage definitely had more magic . |
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Post by paulcheeba on Nov 4, 2022 21:54:03 GMT -6
New vocal shootout between the M49s V & C and TLM 103: The m49 was the clear winner there. Natural and huge. There is something papery in the mids on the M49V. Does it matter in a mixed context, probably not but the vintage definitely had more magic . I preferred the M49V as it sounded clearer. The other sounded more fudged. The M49V could always be thickened with a Coil or a tape simulator etc. It doesn’t bother me. |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 4, 2022 22:06:13 GMT -6
I did wonder about that/it crossed my mind.
Chris
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Post by bdw42 on Nov 12, 2022 16:23:13 GMT -6
Vintage King with a detailed shootout between a vintage and new M49:
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Post by reddirt on Nov 12, 2022 16:55:27 GMT -6
FWIW, my take through i-Mac speakers is the re-issue is ever so slightly leaner sounding which may well be the better option within a mix; definitely close siblings though.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by wiz on Nov 12, 2022 18:06:57 GMT -6
Vintage King with a detailed shootout between a vintage and new M49: I listened on my studio monitors.. The reissue is my preference... its more detailed ... .sounds what I would describe as a "Faster" sounding microphone than the reissue which has "flub" nice Cheers Wiz |
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 12, 2022 18:33:17 GMT -6
The VK video is excellent as usual. I have no clear preference one way or the other — it's a complete toss up. They both sound amazing.
To my ears, the vintage sounds a little "clearer" in the midrange, whereas the reissue has more of a textural thing going on. Not a deal breaker by any stretch. I like both equally for different reasons.
Seems like Neumann knocked it out of the park with this one.
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Post by roundbadge on Nov 13, 2022 0:51:13 GMT -6
the new one sounds different.more open.
I like it
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 13, 2022 7:43:16 GMT -6
In the video the reissue and original do not sound exactly the same, but sound like they could be two different M49s. I wish VK mentioned which version of the vintage M49 they used. In my opinion the AC701k has a bit more of a smiley face response curve than the 6S6B-V, something I’ve even noted about my FleAs. The original has a pronounced low end and shimmering high end. The reissue sounded more pronounced in the high mids, but had a really smooth top end. I thought it sounded great on the violin without sounding harsh up top. I have 2 FleA 49s with F47 capsules that sound slightly different. One has a very deep low end. The other starts to roll off at 100hz. The reissue sounds somewhere in between my two FleAs to my ears. It sounds like Neumann did an excellent job bringing back the M49 in the best way they could. I wish I had the funds for one.
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Post by Ward on Nov 13, 2022 10:46:41 GMT -6
The reissue is my preference... its more detailed ... .sounds what I would describe as a "Faster" sounding microphone than the (original) which has "flub" Wiz the new one sounds different.more open. I like it These are my exact thoughts on the comparison also! Anyone know how consistent the new M49Vs are from mic to mic? The originals varied, perhaps the new ones do as well? |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 13, 2022 14:38:22 GMT -6
I think as a microphone ages, it tends to get a bit mellower. Can I get a reality check? (Other than getting on Deadliest Catch?  ) Thanks, Chris |
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Post by recordingengineer on Nov 13, 2022 18:24:05 GMT -6
That’s my experience with 103s… Give them 15 years of heavy use and they relax and mellow.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 14, 2022 1:16:30 GMT -6
Lemme check the math here... TLM103 plus 15 X 6 (Heavy use = Dog Years = 6X each year) Equals TLM103 plus 90. Which equals TLM193 (final answer). Now it all makes sense!  Chris |
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Post by aremos on Dec 20, 2022 12:31:18 GMT -6
Just got the M49v in last week & am not happy with it. On my voice it accentuates a "dark mid" that is constant on soft as well as loud, low as well as high, passages throughout. Sounds better on female voice but not enough to blow me away.
It's like having that "Neumann boxy-nasal 87 sound" a little bit too much. Put it up against the U67 & the 67 was more balanced & like if a veil had been lifted.
The REDD & C-800G were more transparent & pleasant.
Wanted to know if anyone else has had this experience before I return it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 20, 2022 12:48:28 GMT -6
Just got the M49v in last week & am not happy with it. On my voice it accentuates a "dark mid" that is constant on soft as well as loud, low as well as high, passages throughout. Sounds better on female voice but not enough to blow me away. It's like having that "Neumann boxy-nasal 87 sound" a little bit too much. Put it up against the U67 & the 67 was more balanced & like if a veil had been lifted. The REDD & C-800G were more transparent & pleasant. Wanted to know if anyone else has had this experience before I return it. Don’t think that’s what you want with that |
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Post by carymiller on Dec 20, 2022 13:10:36 GMT -6
Wonder what UA and Bock have up their sleeves? I'm the biggest fan of David's mics. I'm thinking about saving up for his new 167 Design for UA. I really wish he would bring back a modern interpretation of E49 (M49 inspired mic design) for UA next. THAT would be the mic I would buy. |
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Post by chessparov on Dec 20, 2022 13:14:43 GMT -6
AFAIK the 167, is just the same/re-branded U99. A lovely sounding mic.
Chris
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Post by carymiller on Dec 20, 2022 13:20:58 GMT -6
AFAIK the 167, is just the same/re-branded U99. A lovely sounding mic. Chris I was hoping for that! I used to own an E49, which was damaged by a drummer after about 12 years of use...and then repaired...but it just lost the magic after being repaired. I sold it and bought a matched pair of CM49s by Advanced Audio to fill the void...and they're lovely mics for the money...but I miss my E49. The U99 was my 2nd choice at the time...so a 167 might be the ticket for me next if I can't have an E49. |
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Post by 79sg on Dec 21, 2022 11:33:07 GMT -6
Just got the M49v in last week & am not happy with it. On my voice it accentuates a "dark mid" that is constant on soft as well as loud, low as well as high, passages throughout. Sounds better on female voice but not enough to blow me away. It's like having that "Neumann boxy-nasal 87 sound" a little bit too much. Put it up against the U67 & the 67 was more balanced & like if a veil had been lifted. The REDD & C-800G were more transparent & pleasant. Wanted to know if anyone else has had this experience before I return it. Received my pair of M49v's a couple of weeks ago. I do not find them to be boxy in any way and certainly not like my 87. Also have a pair of U67RI's and yes, the mics are different (thankfully). To my ears the m49v's are smooth, mellow, not mid heavy and 3d. So far I have been using them with a Tube Tech MP2a mic pre and either Retro 176's or CL1b. Have other stuff to run them through and will do so when time permits. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 21, 2022 14:22:23 GMT -6
Just got the M49v in last week & am not happy with it. On my voice it accentuates a "dark mid" that is constant on soft as well as loud, low as well as high, passages throughout. Sounds better on female voice but not enough to blow me away. It's like having that "Neumann boxy-nasal 87 sound" a little bit too much. Put it up against the U67 & the 67 was more balanced & like if a veil had been lifted. The REDD & C-800G were more transparent & pleasant. Wanted to know if anyone else has had this experience before I return it. Do you have any experience with M49s or other high end replicas? My guess is the 49 just doesn't suit you and what you are going for. I love my FleA 49, but I always have to add some air and often have to make a small cut somewhere between 250-350 hz. When I do that it captured my voice really well. On my wife's voice I usually have to make a small a cut somewhere between from 1-3K. |
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Post by aremos on Dec 21, 2022 15:30:23 GMT -6
I don't remember the M49b I used decades ago sounding like this but your comments are valid. I'd even say that the cut could even go up to 1K. All Neumann mics do have that "mids thing" going on but, as we all know, it all depends on the voice. I personally think the U67 & U89 don't display it as much & are more balanced & uniform.
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Post by ab101 on Dec 21, 2022 15:53:35 GMT -6
I recall when I had a Soundelux e49, that adding air was common. The low end - I do not recall enough.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 21, 2022 16:04:14 GMT -6
Interesting. Due to the massive Transformer in the Soundelux U195/U99 (UA 187/167)...
IMHO they have an extra strong bottom end.
I have to engage the Low Cut, on my U195.
Chris
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 21, 2022 16:04:33 GMT -6
Yeah, sounds like the M49 is probably just not a good match for your voice. Definitely a bummer, especially with super expensive stuff that sounds amazing on everyone else! I’ve had that happen with other high end mics and it’s always a big disappointment for sure. I had a Ref C years ago and desperately wanted it to be THE mic for me, but I could never get it to sound right on my singing. Eventually had to bite the bullet and move on. To this day, I still get envious when I hear other people make great recordings with that thing… wish that had been the case for me!
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Post by bdw42 on Dec 31, 2022 1:49:37 GMT -6
Mine arrived today. I try not to engage in hyperbole, but after briefly playing with it tonight: holy crap, this thing is unbelievable.
I own a U67 RI, which is both my pride and joy, and go to vocal microphone the last two years. Admittedly, I wasn't sure if an M49 style microphone would even be a great fit for my voice (tenor), and I was originally planning on buying a second 67, but once Neumann announced this reissue, I couldn't resist. As soon as I plugged it in and sang into it tonight, I got as close to the "hairs behind my back standing up" experience as I've ever gotten with a microphone. I immediately thought back to Klaus's review, where he both praised the microphone's super high resolution and, as a result, its unique interpretation of reality. He's spot on. It's such an ultra realistic sound, it's kind of hard to fully articulate, but the way it entices you, and your senses, is truly unique. Mine came with the standard C setting and there's no shortage of bass. Just a fantastic, balanced, velvety sound. I've never used M49s, or M49-styled microphones before, so I can't make any direct comparisons to vintage models or clones, but as someone familiar with the sound, it definitely sounds like an M49 to me.
The aesthetics and finish of the microphone are also as great and beautiful as the sound. The attention to detail is quite apparent and everything from the microphone to the packaging is first rate.
I laughed and rolled my eyes at Neumann boasting how one engineer "fell out of his chair" after using it. Now I kind of understand why. To say Neumann knocked it out of the park with this one is an understatement. This thing is a work of art. If anyone is able to get this, I can't recommend it enough. Well done, Neumann!
But, yeah, other than that, it's O.K., I guess.
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