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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2021 4:15:18 GMT -6
Am really enjoying the atc thread other than their prices ! Was wondering whose using genies ? Anybody tried the new units with the 3-5 inch woofers?
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Post by askomiko on Dec 19, 2021 5:33:26 GMT -6
The smallest models? Yes, the DSP stuff is nice, they are sturdy and easily transportable with the sturdy metal mesh covering the woofer. Subwoofer integration is easy if you want one.
The Ones are even nicer but also expensive. Genelec is in the same boat with ATC regarding longevity and repairs, for example they still provide parts and repairs for S30, which are from the late 70s. I want to support that in the age of single use disposable everything. Not to mention they are made 100 miles from where I live, I'm a fanboy.
1238 for the living room, 8330 for portable use. <3
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2021 5:38:22 GMT -6
Agreed on same level as atc, but interesting different takes on design.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 9:48:36 GMT -6
Seen as we're going through every manufacturer now ... Genelec seem to be the de facto metal mixing speaker and I've come across tons of them over the years. They're okay, in general a bit mid muddy and flattering but seem to translate well enough. I prefer ATC's usually but I've only ever come across one pair of SCM25A's and SCM45's over the last two decades. I do have to give a special shout out the Genelec 8361A's, I love coaxial's and these are some of the best I've heard.. A bit pricey but I've been tempted on more than one occasion. However I still really like my Dynaudio LYD-48's, maybe not quite as articulate as the ATC's or massively impressive as the 8361's but there's always a trade off anyway. The Dyn's for me are very neutral speakers which represent the good, bad and ugly dependant on the source. They're very revealing and analytical enough to fix problems easily but not to the point you're chasing ghosts subtly wrecking tracks due to information overload. Minimal distortion, no obvious issues etc. and whilst I'd like to have some ATC's or high end Genelec's the Dyn's haven't given me a good enough reason to "upgrade". I've heard some say that they're a bit "soft on top" but that's contrary to my first review which stated that the HMF's were quite piercing.. Turns out it was just the reference track I was listening to across a bunch of monitors in my long term test stage (which included PMC, Barefoot, ME Geithain, Focal and many others).. The track was a well known highly regarded 70's song that actually sounded pretty rough on them, then I played some Journey and the Dyn's turned from rough / spikey to smooth and flattering so it's easy to determine when a song is ready to release. They translate perfectly too..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 9:51:58 GMT -6
I've had my Genelecs for three years and absolutely love them. My little room is 7.1.4 (so that I can do Atmos mixes--every retiree's dream). The LCRs are 8341, the sub is a 7370 and everything else is 8331. I've always loved the imaging of Genelecs and the '1' series has taken that a big step forward. These are all coaxial speakers, so the imaging is good in nearfield or midfield (I don't mix in a big room, but I'd guess they're equally capable there). The speakers also sound the same on their sides. So if you live in earthquake country like me, you'll appreciate the sligtly-lower center of gravity I think this series is just a bit smoother in the upper mids (compared to older Gennies) as well. Some of the older models have just a teensy bit of bite in that area and I don't hear it at all in these. The GLM calibration software is also really good as well. I think it stands up nicely in any situation, but it's an absolute bargain in a surround/immersive room. Price out twelve channels of Grace or Trinnov and you'll see what I mean. The standard take on Genelecs is that they're for post and not for music. That's not true at all. What people look for in speakers is highly personal and we've all got something particular we're after. But I've found these to be trustworthy, translateable and not at all fatiguing. They're my speakers for work and pleasure.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 19, 2021 9:57:17 GMT -6
I worked myself with the 8040 for about 8 years. I heard a few of the newer designs too. IMO Genelecs suffer from a bad Waveguide design... But that's just me and my experience since I own monitors which truly minimize the coloring of the sound spectrum.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2021 10:56:43 GMT -6
interesting, one thing about the dyn48, you hardly ever see thrn come up used, so I think peeps really like them. I know Ragan does.
I demoed them a few years ago and was very impressed, just a bit too much for my smaller room though, but if a used pair came up be hard to say no!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 12:54:42 GMT -6
interesting, one thing about the dyn48, you hardly ever see thrn come up used, so I think peeps really like them. I know Ragan does. I demoed them a few years ago and was very impressed, just a bit too much for my smaller room though, but if a used pair came up be hard to say no! It was Ragan who recommended them to me years back. They'll do 52, 42 or 32 Hz dependant on the switch setup so they can chew on whatever your room can handle. All my posts are quite verbose lately so I'll cut it down..
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Dec 19, 2021 13:42:05 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2021 13:42:05 GMT -6
All, just when I was thinking you were so illuminatingly succinct !
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Post by ericn on Dec 19, 2021 14:23:26 GMT -6
Owned 1030’s 1029’s and 1031’s sold a ton of all of them. Genelec very much has a sound, it’s very musical and can be seductive, honestly you don’t even notice it unless you put them next to say a PMC, ATC or Quested ( or you have a pair of ESLs and Magnepans with the ribbon in the same room but that’s just not playing fair for a little 2 way). I personally can’t listen to Genelecs for more than 2 hours without needing a break, it’s something to do with the HF, but I actually like them. The 1030 & 1031 really need some high pass, full range that last octave can get a bit of overly boomy, next to something with lower distortion and the amps seam slow but only next to something much more expensive.)
The guys besides metal who love them are post and guys doing live remote work. This is because in both cases the rooms are seldomly well treated and often position is a compromise, that wave guide is the magic here, in a bad room a 1030 can eat a ATC for lunch because of that wave guide.
Over the years I have used 1029s for all kinds of small playback systems, they need a sub but little genelecs hold their own.
I also found the old entry level 3 ways to be awesome for large scale demos. Honestly we once did a PT clinic where 250 showed, I was getting panicky and ready to see if Danny at Turbosound had something I could use to cover the crowd when I fired up the Genelecs found with a pair of Dual 18 Bagend subs and moving them out a foot I covered the crowd. Not many Monitors I can say I got that much even Coverage ( I was never allowed to try to use them as a live rig no matter how much I begged).
My Quested F11’s are voiced like Genelecs, honestly I have an issue with them around the crossover point ( it gets a bit “Tizzy”) but ironically I can listen to them for a week so go figure.
To sum it up they won’t keep you from making great records ( I can’t say who I sold them to but I know of a ton of well regarded albums mixed and tracked on Genelecs. They are not the sexy monitor of the month and you can do a lot worse.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 19, 2021 19:13:29 GMT -6
I have mixed on 1031, 1032s, 8040s, 8050s. I currently have 8351a's and love them. The GLM corrections as well are very nice.
Hoping to have the new mastering studio with 8351b's and W371 woofer towers.
I really like Genelecs. They are some of the more brutally honest ones, can be on the bright side but easy to correct that with the built in filters or GLM does it.
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Post by lee on Oct 8, 2023 11:42:30 GMT -6
I've been demoing the Ones in my own room and am considering the 8351b. For those of you that have them or have heard them, what would you say is too big a room for them? Mine is about 2722 cubic feet (16.5x15x11). I guess the answer might apply to any speaker, but this is a Genelec thread, so I'm gettin' specific. The 8351b seems to be in my sweet spot of price and performance, I just don't know if I'm underpowered. There will also be a sub available.
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Post by ericn on Oct 8, 2023 12:17:46 GMT -6
I've been demoing the Ones in my own room and am considering the 8351b. For those of you that have them or have heard them, what would you say is too big a room for them? Mine is about 2722 cubic feet (16.5x15x11). I guess the answer might apply to any speaker, but this is a Genelec thread, so I'm gettin' specific. The 8351b seems to be in my sweet spot of price and performance, I just don't know if I'm underpowered. There will also be a sub available. Lee, as far as room size, and this is any speaker not just Genelec it really comes down to 2 things listening distance, preferred SPL and how they distort. You will also find LF performance to be a major factor.
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Post by lee on Oct 8, 2023 13:37:31 GMT -6
I've been demoing the Ones in my own room and am considering the 8351b. For those of you that have them or have heard them, what would you say is too big a room for them? Mine is about 2722 cubic feet (16.5x15x11). I guess the answer might apply to any speaker, but this is a Genelec thread, so I'm gettin' specific. The 8351b seems to be in my sweet spot of price and performance, I just don't know if I'm underpowered. There will also be a sub available. Lee, as far as room size, and this is any speaker not just Genelec it really comes down to 2 things listening distance, preferred SPL and how they distort. You will also find LF performance to be a major factor. ericn, thanks for the wisdom. I'm not great with this stuff. Listening distance is between 5-6 feet from each speaker. I'll call it 6 to be conservative. As for SPL, I calibrate to 85dB SPL (C) but monitor 90% of the time in the mid 70's. The couch is about 12-14 feet from the speakers, and maybe 6-7 feet behind the sweet spot, if that helps. The published spec is 113dB SPL on that model. Hopefully it means there's enough headroom for me to crank a little when I need. I think it's -6dB for every doubling of distance, right? Would that mean max headroom at listening position is 107dB? Maybe it's better than that, because I'll bet they measure at 1 meter, not right up on it. That would make the couch around 100dB or better. Do I have that right? Also, I own a sub, so maybe the LF thing won't be a big issue. The 8351b in my demo had really good LF performance. Even when I would crank it from the sweet spot, I never hit the distortion point. My ears always gave up before that.
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Post by ericn on Oct 8, 2023 14:21:05 GMT -6
Lee, as far as room size, and this is any speaker not just Genelec it really comes down to 2 things listening distance, preferred SPL and how they distort. You will also find LF performance to be a major factor. ericn, thanks for the wisdom. I'm not great with this stuff. Listening distance is between 5-6 feet from each speaker. I'll call it 6 to be conservative. As for SPL, I calibrate to 85dB SPL (C) but monitor 90% of the time in the mid 70's. The couch is about 12-14 feet from the speakers, and maybe 6-7 feet behind the sweet spot, if that helps. The published spec is 113dB SPL on that model. Hopefully it means there's enough headroom for me to crank a little when I need. I think it's -6dB for every doubling of distance, right? Would that mean max headroom at listening position is 107dB? Maybe it's better than that, because I'll bet they measure at 1 meter, not right up on it. That would make the couch around 100dB or better. Do I have that right? Also, I own a sub, so maybe the LF thing won't be a big issue. The 8351b in my demo had really good LF performance. Even when I would crank it from the sweet spot, I never hit the distortion point. My ears always gave up before that. Lee, first rule of active speakers; if you can live with the distortion at high SPL, you’re fine😁. I prefer stereo subs, it just makes positioning and dialing in easier, but it sounds like they will work for you.
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Post by lee on Oct 8, 2023 14:25:01 GMT -6
ericn, thanks for the wisdom. I'm not great with this stuff. Listening distance is between 5-6 feet from each speaker. I'll call it 6 to be conservative. As for SPL, I calibrate to 85dB SPL (C) but monitor 90% of the time in the mid 70's. The couch is about 12-14 feet from the speakers, and maybe 6-7 feet behind the sweet spot, if that helps. The published spec is 113dB SPL on that model. Hopefully it means there's enough headroom for me to crank a little when I need. I think it's -6dB for every doubling of distance, right? Would that mean max headroom at listening position is 107dB? Maybe it's better than that, because I'll bet they measure at 1 meter, not right up on it. That would make the couch around 100dB or better. Do I have that right? Also, I own a sub, so maybe the LF thing won't be a big issue. The 8351b in my demo had really good LF performance. Even when I would crank it from the sweet spot, I never hit the distortion point. My ears always gave up before that. Lee, first rule of active speakers; if you can live with the distortion at high SPL, you’re fine😁. I prefer stereo subs, it just makes positioning and dialing in easier, but it sounds like they will work for you. I can dig it! I was thinking about stereo subs, actually, for the reasons you mention. Thanks again.
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 8, 2023 22:02:16 GMT -6
I've been demoing the Ones in my own room and am considering the 8351b. For those of you that have them or have heard them, what would you say is too big a room for them? Mine is about 2722 cubic feet (16.5x15x11). I guess the answer might apply to any speaker, but this is a Genelec thread, so I'm gettin' specific. The 8351b seems to be in my sweet spot of price and performance, I just don't know if I'm underpowered. There will also be a sub available. I think my room is close to that size. Maybe a bit longer like 20 something long. But still. they sound great in there.
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Post by lee on Oct 8, 2023 22:49:30 GMT -6
I've been demoing the Ones in my own room and am considering the 8351b. For those of you that have them or have heard them, what would you say is too big a room for them? Mine is about 2722 cubic feet (16.5x15x11). I guess the answer might apply to any speaker, but this is a Genelec thread, so I'm gettin' specific. The 8351b seems to be in my sweet spot of price and performance, I just don't know if I'm underpowered. There will also be a sub available. I think my room is close to that size. Maybe a bit longer like 20 something long. But still. they sound great in there. That’s encouraging. Do you run sub-less?
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 9, 2023 0:29:15 GMT -6
I think my room is close to that size. Maybe a bit longer like 20 something long. But still. they sound great in there. That’s encouraging. Do you run sub-less? No I have a sub. but I also have a 7.1.4 setup so yeah.
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Post by lee on Oct 9, 2023 9:55:02 GMT -6
That’s encouraging. Do you run sub-less? No I have a sub. but I also have a 7.1.4 setup so yeah. What sub do you pair with it? If you don't mind me asking, what do you use for surrounds? It's all good market research. I was really surprised about the Ones. I worked for years on 1031/1032s and HHHAAAAAATTTTEEEEDDDDD those things so much. It took somebody who I really trust completely to convince me to listen to these. They are a completely different speaker. I had them up against some ATCs (and others), and although I think the ATCs are a slightly more refined speaker in the midrange, I liked the imaging and the impact of the Genelecs. I could switch between them often and forget which ones I was listening to, which I thought was a really good sign.
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 10, 2023 0:02:35 GMT -6
No I have a sub. but I also have a 7.1.4 setup so yeah. What sub do you pair with it? If you don't mind me asking, what do you use for surrounds? It's all good market research. I was really surprised about the Ones. I worked for years on 1031/1032s and HHHAAAAAATTTTEEEEDDDDD those things so much. It took somebody who I really trust completely to convince me to listen to these. They are a completely different speaker. I had them up against some ATCs (and others), and although I think the ATCs are a slightly more refined speaker in the midrange, I liked the imaging and the impact of the Genelecs. I could switch between them often and forget which ones I was listening to, which I thought was a really good sign. I think its a last gen 12''. The 7370A I believe. The rest of the speakers at 8351A's, which I'll be replacing with the B's. The A's had a bad tweeter in them and mine are getting quite noisey. My height channels are 8242a's. The One's are great! The 1031/32s were good too but you had to knock the high end off them with the built in shelf to -2 or even -4dB honestly. But not bad otherwise. The GLM is also very nice with the Ones.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 11:50:56 GMT -6
For whatever it's worth, I'm running a 7.1.4 Genelec setup in a room that's about 15' x 12' x 7.5'. My setup is as follows LCR are 8341A Sides, rear, top are 8331A Sub is 7370A I control overall level with the big Genelec knob. My listening position is about 48" back from the center speaker, so I guess that puts me in the near/mid field. That's pretty important in a room like mine. My normal working levels are in the 70-something dBA range. I rarely push above 85 dBA, but there's plenty left in the Gennies' tank. I should point out that the sub provides 8 inputs that support bass-management and there's excellent control of where you place the crossover. I don't have bass management for the top speakers, but I don't think it's a good idea to put a lot of deep lows up there anyway. I can strongly vouch for GLM and for the GRADE reports you get from Genelec. Even though my room is treated, GRADE showed a few areas of my room that could improve. These were easily addressed by putting stuff in different places. This in turn lowered the amount of correction that GLM needed to apply. So even though I use smaller speakers than Blackdawg, I still get a very satisfactory result. I don't hear any mud in the low-mid areas. The 'ones' are incredibly good speakers and the concentric nature of the drivers naturally gives excellent imaging, no matter where you are in the listening area.
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Post by lee on Oct 10, 2023 12:55:41 GMT -6
For whatever it's worth, I'm running a 7.1.4 Genelec setup in a room that's about 15' x 12' x 7.5'. My setup is as follows LCR are 8341A Sides, rear, top are 8331A Sub is 7370A I control overall level with the big Genelec knob. My listening position is about 48" back from the center speaker, so I guess that puts me in the near/mid field. That's pretty important in a room like mine. My normal working levels are in the 70-something dBA range. I rarely push above 85 dBA, but there's plenty left in the Gennies' tank. I should point out that the sub provides 8 inputs that support bass-management and there's excellent control of where you place the crossover. I don't have bass management for the top speakers, but I don't think it's a good idea to put a lot of deep lows up there anyway. I can strongly vouch for GLM and for the GRADE reports you get from Genelec. Even though my room is treated, GRADE showed a few areas of my room that could improve. These were easily addressed by putting stuff in different places. This in turn lowered the amount of correction that GLM needed to apply. So even though I use smaller speakers than Blackdawg, I still get a very satisfactory result. I don't hear any mud in the low-mid areas. The 'ones' are incredibly good speakers and the concentric nature of the drivers naturally gives excellent imaging, no matter where you are in the listening area. Thanks Michael, yours is another helpful case. Good to know about the bass management options. Lord knows my room needs more treatment and optimizing, so I'm glad to hear about the reports. What I don't know is if I'll use GLM or use the correction in the MTRX Studio. I guess good to try both.
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Post by Ward on Oct 10, 2023 15:24:18 GMT -6
It's probably just me, but any thing I've done on Genelecs ends up sounding disappointing once it leaves the studio. Is It because they're too pretty sounding, or maybe difficult to make bad sounding tracks and mixes on?
It's probably only me.
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Post by lee on Oct 10, 2023 17:51:04 GMT -6
It's probably just me, but any thing I've done on Genelecs ends up sounding disappointing once it leaves the studio. Is It because they're too pretty sounding, or maybe difficult to make bad sounding tracks and mixes on? It's probably only me. Ward have you heard this series? I agree with you across the board, and I have years of experience on those, but for the Ones, I think the opposite is true.
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