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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 18:54:46 GMT -6
BTW - what's wrong with that TLM49? Sounds freaking awesome.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 18:58:00 GMT -6
The more I listen, the more I'm kinda like, "who the hell cares?" I would go with that UAD all day long...If they were labeled the opposite way, I think people would say, "The Heritage is sooo much more beefy and saturated..."
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2014 19:13:16 GMT -6
and or do you hear a $1,000 usd difference and that is for just 1 pre, factor in workflow and multiple tracks ? I do take wiz's point different horses ect., but not all of us can afford 1,000's of dollars of pres Ua's unison tech and probably about $1,000-1,500 seems destined to get us a very nice suite of leading pre emulations, so far: 610 a and b, api, neve 73, what is next ? bet they will sell a lot of octo's  |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 19:31:16 GMT -6
Yeah - it's close enough for me...I'm gonna quit worrying about it and go make some music...
The perfect thing for me is to have two really nice outboard pres and then colors with the Unison stuff...
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Post by indiehouse on May 10, 2014 20:02:58 GMT -6
Ok, question. Does the Unison technology require the use of the Apollo? I thought I read somewhere on UA's site that the Apollo is required to take advantage of the Unison technology, like they built their pre's in a specific way to integrate with this mic pre emulation software. If that's true, then buying an Octo card won't really help you to utilize the Unison tech more. You'd need another Apollo, or a bigger, badder Apollo, right?
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Post by indiehouse on May 10, 2014 20:04:30 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2014 20:15:16 GMT -6
you need an apollo and its console gui, ua created new slots at the top of the console's channels specially for the unison pre plug to be instantiated
the onboard apollo pres were designed from day one to accept the impedance changes that unison brings to mimic the electrical sonic characteristics of the pre being emulated before the converters and before the plug to enhance realism.
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Post by indiehouse on May 10, 2014 20:24:33 GMT -6
So, basically an Apollo Quad has the DSP to track with at least 4 instances (1 per pre), right? Any tracking DSP for other tracks left after that?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 10, 2014 22:05:26 GMT -6
BTW - what's wrong with that TLM49? Sounds freaking awesome. Nothing. It's a good mic. It gets dogged on the other site a lot. I don't understand why. |
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Post by tonycamphd on May 10, 2014 22:34:26 GMT -6
the second sample struck me as more even handed, with a more realistic grit to it, thats what i hear |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 10, 2014 23:38:45 GMT -6
the onboard apollo pres were designed from day one to accept the impedance changes that unison brings to mimic the electrical sonic characteristics of the pre being emulated before the converters and before the plug to enhance realism. Yep. Bill Putnam Jr is an evil genius. |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2014 6:07:34 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 11, 2014 6:59:21 GMT -6
It really blows my mind how these chips don't get better. I wish that they would just unleash a 64 chip unit. Run all the plus that you want....massive passive and tape sim on every channel? Sure, why not! Yes, we all want complete transparency. The freedom to just put almost any amount of plugs anywhere. Obviously we'll get there, but when, and at what price. One of the new Mac towers and a 64 chip unit is a fantasy I have.. |
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Post by tonycamphd on May 11, 2014 7:28:32 GMT -6
It really blows my mind how these chips don't get better. I wish that they would just unleash a 64 chip unit. Run all the plus that you want....massive passive and tape sim on every channel? Sure, why not! Yes, we all want complete transparency. The freedom to just put almost any amount of plugs anywhere. Obviously we'll get there, but when, and at what price. One of the new Mac towers and a 64 chip unit is a fantasy I have.. actually will we "get there"? i predict that idea is a carrot tied to the end of a stick for us all to chase in futility. For years processors native and otherwise, ram and storage capacity, have been getting exponentially larger and more powerful, then the plugin creators follow suite, they design/re design up to the limits of the new found headroom, and so the cycle continues.... |
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UAD 1073
May 11, 2014 8:02:51 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by jcoutu1 on May 11, 2014 8:02:51 GMT -6
The problem that I have is that UAD doesn't put better chips in their units. They just keep increasing the number of chips in the unit. Every year Apple has new, faster, processors and RAM in their computers, but the UAD chips never get better.
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Post by warren on May 11, 2014 9:21:12 GMT -6
I can't help but wonder, those people who decided to black lion mod their apollos, is unison even workin right for them? Spend $800 for a so called improvement and just screws everything up now, ugh that would suck
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Post by tonycamphd on May 11, 2014 9:29:50 GMT -6
I can't help but wonder, those people who decided to black lion mod their apollos, is unison even workin right for them? Spend $800 for a so called improvement and just screws everything up now, ugh that would suck i would all but guarantee that Black lion does nothing to the digital flow/interface portion of the system, they do their thing to the analog sections only, and IME, VERY well. |
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Post by warren on May 11, 2014 9:45:52 GMT -6
But doesn't the preamp transparency get affected do to op-amp change? And if unison uses feedback from the preamp, wouldn't calculations be off?
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Post by tonycamphd on May 11, 2014 9:55:30 GMT -6
But doesn't the preamp transparency get affected do to op-amp change? And if unison uses feedback from the preamp, wouldn't calculations be off? not likely, it's more probable that BLA put in opamps with better noise specs, speed, any of the preamps outgoing parameters would have to be very close to the original circuit in order for BLA to NOT have to redesign the entire circuit, which i'm sure was not in there best interest. If a problem arises, we'll all know soon enough, i bet the guys that are willing to spend the $ on the mod, have already tried this, and if you haven't heard anything by now, you probably won't?....but i could be wrong? |
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Post by warren on May 11, 2014 10:02:21 GMT -6
Yeah, guess we'll see. Very interesting to see if there are any difference in terms up unison between a stock and modded unit.
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UAD 1073
May 11, 2014 12:00:53 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2014 12:00:53 GMT -6
Yeah, guess we'll see. Very interesting to see if there are any difference in terms up unison between a stock and modded unit. Have bla mod please read gearautopsy detailed review. I am with tony here, the bla mod kept the stock pres and converters but did replace/upgrade a variety of components essentially to make apollo signal path more accurate and quieter. My blapollo has full unison functionality and personally I would argue the opposite, if the given pre emulation is as accurate as possible and if unison triggers the apollo pre impedance and gain staging to mimic the emulated pre , before converters and before the actual plug emulation interacts with the signal, then a more accurate and cleaner signal path should represent the sonic characteristics of the emulated pre better. I have heard tons of great mixes on stock apollos, but it definitely has a lower mid range bloom , post bla mod that is gone and certainly find my blapollo more detailed. I know people with both units be fun to do a shoot out ! |
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Post by warren on May 11, 2014 12:09:14 GMT -6
+1 on the shootout |
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Post by henge on May 11, 2014 12:12:54 GMT -6
Never mind!!
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Post by henge on May 11, 2014 12:15:36 GMT -6
Here's a sample Jordan and I did this morning. All live with no compression and only the 1073 eq used. Sounds like a 1073 to me. She hit it pretty hard in spots and you can hear some sweet Neve distortion which would blend right in on a busier mix. There's a bit of hiss from the R-84's which was my fault. I didn't have them staged right. But still a fair quick example of how these can be used. https%3A//soundcloud.com/herb-music/new-uad-1073-unitySo, this is the Apollo unison thingy through the plug? Sounds Great! |
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Post by tonycamphd on May 11, 2014 12:20:41 GMT -6
Yeah, guess we'll see. Very interesting to see if there are any difference in terms up unison between a stock and modded unit. Have bla mod please read gearautopsy detailed review. I am with tony here, the bla mod kept the stock pres and converters but did replace/upgrade a variety of components essentially to make apollo signal path more accurate and quieter. My blapollo has full unison functionality and personally I would argue the opposite, if the given pre emulation is as accurate as possible and if unison triggers the apollo pre impedance and gain staging to mimic the emulated pre , before converters and before the actual plug emulation interacts with the signal, then a more accurate and cleaner signal path should represent the sonic characteristics of the emulated pre better. I have heard tons of great mixes on stock apollos, but it definitely has a lower mid range bloom , post bla mod that is gone and certainly find my blapollo more detailed. I know people with both units be fun to do a shoot out ! kcat, how long did you live with your appolo in stock form? I had my digi 002 rack sig modded with the addition of an FM clock, it was a night and day change for me, and it has been a tremendous converter, clock and pre setup. |
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