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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 10, 2014 7:42:21 GMT -6
Ok, but here's a problem. If I switch over to TB (which I did on this update), can I still use a FW satellite? I guess off the back of the computer I could, right??
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Post by warren on May 10, 2014 8:06:02 GMT -6
I'd think so since you're going through your computer's FW port. Be very surprised if it didn't work.
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UAD 1073
May 10, 2014 8:37:07 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2014 8:37:07 GMT -6
Ok, but here's a problem. If I switch over to TB (which I did on this update), can I still use a FW satellite? I guess off the back of the computer I could, right?? Pci-e drivers should only defeat apollo fw ports or a fw>tbolt converter or lose satellite octo or quad in tbolt chassis. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 8:47:46 GMT -6
will try to get to that today already saw some comments on ua forum 1073 thread about dsp usage; its actually the eq that sucks up the dsp, so people are experimenting with using the pre in unison in console and the legacy in normal slot for the eq ( curves are essentially the same), the legacy is included in the 73 demo and purchase so you get the new pre and the two 73 eq's also, don't sweat the dsp usage, UA has for 2 year's offered great combo (HW/Plug) deals on its octo card; right now u get a $750 coupon and a custom upgrade offer, combined this can save you $1300-2,100 in retail plug prices, plus of course you get 8 more chips I have a quad and octo, (12 sharc chips) going to see if i stacked the new 73 in unison in console and the legacy in normal slot for eq how many tracks I can load in console (as a singer songwriter 2 is lots  ), but for others I am curious, if I can get 16 to 24 tracks running in real time. I think the new 73 is UA's best plug and I got a lot of them. and like cat5 and cowboy said the pci-e driver lowered LRT and buffers over tbolt is huge and ua is still giving away the tbolt card with new apollo's and you get the custom upgrade offer ? Do you work for UA? |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 10, 2014 9:46:25 GMT -6
Here's a sample Jordan and I did this morning. All live with no compression and only the 1073 eq used. Sounds like a 1073 to me. She hit it pretty hard in spots and you can hear some sweet Neve distortion which would blend right in on a busier mix. There's a bit of hiss from the R-84's which was my fault. I didn't have them staged right. But still a fair quick example of how these can be used.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/herb-music/new-uad-1073-unity
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2014 9:53:51 GMT -6
will try to get to that today already saw some comments on ua forum 1073 thread about dsp usage; its actually the eq that sucks up the dsp, so people are experimenting with using the pre in unison in console and the legacy in normal slot for the eq ( curves are essentially the same), the legacy is included in the 73 demo and purchase so you get the new pre and the two 73 eq's also, don't sweat the dsp usage, UA has for 2 year's offered great combo (HW/Plug) deals on its octo card; right now u get a $750 coupon and a custom upgrade offer, combined this can save you $1300-2,100 in retail plug prices, plus of course you get 8 more chips I have a quad and octo, (12 sharc chips) going to see if i stacked the new 73 in unison in console and the legacy in normal slot for eq how many tracks I can load in console (as a singer songwriter 2 is lots ), but for others I am curious, if I can get 16 to 24 tracks running in real time. I think the new 73 is UA's best plug and I got a lot of them. and like cat5 and cowboy said the pci-e driver lowered LRT and buffers over tbolt is huge and ua is still giving away the tbolt card with new apollo's and you get the custom upgrade offer ? Do you work for UA? Ha Ha I wish !!! nope just gained a lot of knowledge over the last 2 year's on cowboys' thread and started with a quad , bought a quad satellite used ( cat5's actually) and sold it and got last year's octo deal and I am taking a hard look at the current octo deal. I understand people's concerns about the apparent price of ua plugs etc. , but if you do the math, often there is a better deal hiding there in the weeds ; ua just doesn't say so explicitly. btw here is what someone posted on the ua forum comparing the ua 73 to the new ik 73: "I just made a very short comparison of the UAD and the IK one and have to say that I don't regret buying the IK version. They really sound very similar. If you compare the harmonic tone curves the preamp produces, you also see that they are very close. I won't get into deeper comparison, to finally judge that the UAD version is 1% clearer or whatever... if you use the apollo, you might wanna buy the UAD version, if you just use the PCI-e cards, why the hell should I buy it, if it uses 67% of one DSP in stereo mode??? this is ridiculous. if you consider, that you have to use a complete solo card with one instance of the 1073 - you almost could buy a hardware clone... sorry to say, but this here sounds great, but the competitors are on the same level and sooo much cheaper!" a couple people are comparing them and saying the Ik stands up very well |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2014 9:56:02 GMT -6
cowboy 73 in unison slot ?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 10:01:35 GMT -6
Ah! Criticism! I like it! I'm sure it's great though.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2014 10:02:04 GMT -6
Here's a sample Jordan and I did this morning. All live with no compression and only the 1073 eq used. Sounds like a 1073 to me. She hit it pretty hard in spots and you can hear some sweet Neve distortion which would blend right in on a busier mix. There's a bit of hiss from the R-84's which was my fault. I didn't have them staged right. But still a fair quick example of how these can be used. https%3A//soundcloud.com/herb-music/new-uad-1073-unityboy marvellous presence ! I just used the eq on a prerecorded track the other day , then next day i set it to default and tweaked, added in FF de esser and multiband compressor to bring down the boom in my acoustic and a little lift to the voice; sounded pretty polished in a minute money's a little tight right now but going to be hard not to grab the Ua 73 |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2014 10:03:20 GMT -6
Ah! Criticism! I like it! I'm sure it's great though. no just checking: in unison then we are hearing the pre and the eq, if not in unison then we are hearing just the eq I think ? still trying to graduate from cowboy u , so not planning on pissing off the prof , heard he can get mean if you get on his wrong side |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 10:18:58 GMT -6
You talking about me? I'm the most laid back person in the world...Just have little patience with bullshit... (I'm not referring to you)
I was just applauding that you posted someone saying it wasn't king shit. I love the UA stuff - I have a Satellite Quad and use them on every mix...but jeesh, you would think the shit is made of gold.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 10, 2014 10:19:32 GMT -6
LOL. The only school I teach here kcat is how to take a perfectly good track and screw it up somehow. Yeah that was Unison. I called it Unity but didn't realize I was screwing even that up. Too dumb to realize what it's even called I guess on this end.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 10:21:00 GMT -6
Here's a sample Jordan and I did this morning. All live with no compression and only the 1073 eq used. Sounds like a 1073 to me. She hit it pretty hard in spots and you can hear some sweet Neve distortion which would blend right in on a busier mix. There's a bit of hiss from the R-84's which was my fault. I didn't have them staged right. But still a fair quick example of how these can be used. https%3A//soundcloud.com/herb-music/new-uad-1073-unityYeah - really nice top end... |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 10:22:57 GMT -6
Anyone have time to record a vox through just the Apollo pre and then one on the Neve and one on the API?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 10, 2014 10:27:52 GMT -6
JK, Ive got a ballgame at 2 but I'm planning on doing a test this evening using the 2 R-84's stacked vertical and running one through the Apollo and one through the Heritage staged as close as I can get them. No eq on the Apollo either because the my Heritage doesn't have one. Should be a good test.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 10:35:26 GMT -6
Cool!
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Post by category5 on May 10, 2014 10:42:01 GMT -6
cowboy - That's a great showcase for both the R84 and the UA 1073. Upon casual listening it sounds exactly like a Neve pre. No digititis at all. So far unison has been a major leap over the Focusrite thing that had so much promise but was just ahead of the state of technology IMO. I plan to compare my SCAs to the UA when I can, but alas I type one handed with a baby on my shoulder heating me up like a piece of charcoal (it's the best though). Re: Jordan. She's really come into her own since I met you. Wow. They grow up fast. I know you're proud as can be and you should be!
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 10:52:38 GMT -6
Damn kids...totally get in the way of my gear addiction.
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UAD 1073
May 10, 2014 11:46:15 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by lcr on May 10, 2014 11:46:15 GMT -6
So the new drivers are no different than previous for firewire connection on OSX? The improved drivers only affect thunderbolt?
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2014 13:14:54 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2014 13:21:32 GMT -6
LOL. The only school I teach here kcat is how to take a perfectly good track and screw it up somehow. Yeah that was Unison. I called it Unity but didn't realize I was screwing even that up. Too dumb to realize what it's even called I guess on this end. its your spiritual leaning i guess damn your folks must be proud ! I was only asking as your post didn't say. I learn something from everyone of your mixes; got nothing but respect for you; period @johnken,, no was making fun of herbie !! it will take us all time to really dial in a new plug. the thing I noticed with the new 73 eq is that you can actually hear the difference of 1 increment of change for me its maybe the first plug that almost seem real, I haven't used a real 73 but I mean I turn something and I hear a difference, plus the knobs throw shadows; got to love that eye candy detail |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 10, 2014 18:26:23 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on May 10, 2014 18:37:21 GMT -6
I am in the camp of having lots of different preamps, I really like preamps, and think each one brings something different to the table, especially when you get into driving them differently, adjustable impedance etc. Why did I mention that, to establish context. The two preamps don't sound the same. (i am also in the camp of you don't have (well I don't) to have the exact take, millimetre perfect, small intestine positioned exactly the same, if you can't decide which audio path to use, from to different takes... WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING RUNNING A RECORDING STUDIO 8) ) so this test is perfectly adequate for me. I would chose the one labelled as Heritage. Because it doesn't have high end. Thats the sound I would go for, because it would suit my sonic preference, generally. I might reach for the unison preamp, for the very next vocal take though, because it might suit better. Let me finish by saying this.... that is a very nice vocal sound, considering it could be achieved by an apollo twin, and 1073 unison plug in thingy. all up cost, less than a grand?? !!! in that context its a winner. is it a 1073 neve, of course not. But its a nice plug in and interface. cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 18:48:43 GMT -6
Why don't you post it here so I don't have to go over to that fucking shithole...
God Bless
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2014 18:54:28 GMT -6
I thought the Heritage sounded more open...The UAD seemed to have more low mids whle the Heritage seemed a little more balanced all the way around. The UAD sounded great though...and I bet you could eq it to sound almost identical. That's pretty damn impressive.
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), but for others I am curious, if I can get 16 to 24 tracks running in real time.
