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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2021 12:47:28 GMT -6
www.macworld.com/article/347436/mac-mini-refresh-could-bring-slimmer-design-borrow-imac-features.htmlIt’s no secret that Apple is planning to refresh its nearly every Mac it sells across 2021. We’ve already heard about major redesigns for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, and now we’ve got some information on the new Mac Mini. According to Front Page Tech’s Jon Prosser, who has been a veritable font of information this year, the Mac mini will showcase Apple’s new M1X processor, which will “include eight high-performance cores and two energy-efficient cores for a total of 10, but will be offered in either 16 or 32 graphics core variations,” based on a previous Bloomberg report. Mark Gurman previous reported that the new Mac mini processor “will greatly outpace the performance and capabilities of the current M1 chips.” The upcoming high-end Mac mini will also return the two additional USB4 / Thunderbolt 3 ports that disappeared with the M1’s debut. Like the current model, Prosser says it will also have two USB-A ports, ethernet, and HDMI, Prosser reports. It could also feature a magnetic power connector like the iMac with a color-matched braided cable. Like the new 24-inch iMac, the Mac mini is expected to also to get a new thinner case. The longstanding metal top will reportedly be replaced with “a plexiglass-like material that sits on top of the aluminum enclosure.” Prosser speculates that two-tone color options could be coming with the Mac mini, also not unlike the new iMac. Since this is a higher-end Mac, it probably won’t come in the rainbow colors, but silver-and-space-gray would look pretty sharp.
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Post by Quint on May 25, 2021 13:04:24 GMT -6
Wonder what that'll cost? Could be a great option for studio Mac guys.
I'm not really a Mac guy, but these M1s intrigue me.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2021 13:07:30 GMT -6
Bet it will be twice as much...but I'd pay $1699 for it probably.
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Post by superwack on May 25, 2021 13:19:18 GMT -6
Pro Tools Expert had an article on the new macs too, they said Apple is reportedly working on a 40 core MacPro! Based on the current loaded MacPro that thing is probably going to cost $100k
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 13:29:16 GMT -6
Could be sick. Cant wait for the new Mac book pro. Windows Laptops and DPC latency have become a shit show
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Post by kcatthedog on May 25, 2021 13:54:58 GMT -6
I sent my m1 mini back cus my 2012 mbp i7 is working fine and as I thought the next gen m1x is going to be even more powerful: glad I’m waiting.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 25, 2021 14:47:29 GMT -6
Wonder what that'll cost? Could be a great option for studio Mac guys. I'm not really a Mac guy, but these M1s intrigue me. Can't remember where I saw this but some "insider" was speculating around the $1099 level. His basis being that the massively upgraded M1 mini's didn't see a massive price increase so he expects the new Super Mini to be about what the current Super Mini (Intel) costs. If this thing is anywhere near $1099, they're going to sell a lot of them. |
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Post by Mister Chase on May 25, 2021 14:51:03 GMT -6
I decided to wait for M1x. I have built all my own PC's since I was 15, but Windows 10 bricking my PC and becoming un-updateable really has me seriously thinking mac this time around. Plus clients with Logic sending me logic sessions. I also would like to try Luna. I basically only do music now on my PC so, I'm thinking it'll be a good jump. I am not sure, but I would like to see how the new Mini M1x performs. It's always hard for my because I can build something like a Ryzen PC that at least on paper is still the fastest.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 15:04:05 GMT -6
I decided to wait for M1x. I have built all my own PC's since I was 15, but Windows 10 bricking my PC and becoming un-updateable really has me seriously thinking mac this time around. Plus clients with Logic sending me logic sessions. I also would like to try Luna. I basically only do music now on my PC so, I'm thinking it'll be a good jump. I am not sure, but I would like to see how the new Mini M1x performs. It's always hard for my because I can build something like a Ryzen PC that at least on paper is still the fastest. I just need everything to be plug and play and work. Apple dropped the ball many times but if the interface manufacturers update drivers and Pace drivers come in soon, they will be bomb for mobile recording unless you hunt for certain laptop models. |
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Post by mrholmes on May 25, 2021 15:26:39 GMT -6
The big question is LogicX M1 ready? From what I have seen on a M1 it’s fake ready... makes the impression they just put something Rosetta like under the roof to impress at the press conference claiming all software is ready.
We did a test and it did not outperform my old 2010 12 core intel Mac Pro.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 25, 2021 16:11:23 GMT -6
I'll be watching this, I always wanted a dedicated Mac Mini.
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Post by Chad on May 25, 2021 16:18:02 GMT -6
This looks interesting. I’ve used Mac since 1994. I’m guessing this will be a tiny bit more powerful than my Motorola-based Apple Performa 636CD was back then. 250MB (IDE?) Hard Drive and 16MB of RAM.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 25, 2021 16:35:23 GMT -6
The big question is LogicX M1 ready? From what I have seen on a M1 it’s fake ready... makes the impression they just put something Rosetta like under the roof to impress at the press conference claiming all software is ready. We did a test and it did not outperform my old 2010 12 core intel Mac Pro. I have a current M1 Mac Mini and run Logic. It is not "fake ready," it is ready, and it's really good. What's not ready are some third party plugins and some MIDI interfaces that are not Core MIDI compliant. For that reason, I run Logic in Rosetta mode most of the time, where it has been fast and stable. I've had exceedingly few issues. Similar deal with Final Cut Pro: some of the third-party plugins I use aren't ARM-ready yet. The last of those are scheduled to be ready by September. I'll say, too, that I'd read about Prosser's report a few days ago, and if it's all true, I'll probably try and get a new M1X Mini and sell my M1 Mini, not because the M1 isn't good (it is), but just because resale will probably still be pretty good on it. |
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Post by mrholmes on May 25, 2021 17:09:53 GMT -6
The big question is LogicX M1 ready? From what I have seen on a M1 it’s fake ready... makes the impression they just put something Rosetta like under the roof to impress at the press conference claiming all software is ready. We did a test and it did not outperform my old 2010 12 core intel Mac Pro. I have a current M1 Mac Mini and run Logic. It is not "fake ready," it is ready, and it's really good. What's not ready are some third party plugins and some MIDI interfaces that are not Core MIDI compliant. For that reason, I run Logic in Rosetta mode most of the time, where it has been fast and stable. I've had exceedingly few issues. Similar deal with Final Cut Pro: some of the third-party plugins I use aren't ARM-ready yet. The last of those are scheduled to be ready by September. I'll say, too, that I'd read about Prosser's report a few days ago, and if it's all true, I'll probably try and get a new M1X Mini and sell my M1 Mini, not because the M1 isn't good (it is), but just because resale will probably still be pretty good on it. I still wait till there is a clear go for LogicX. On YT I can find similar results like we had them here in my studio. I still doubt logic is ready because we only used logic plug ins to do the test. |
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Post by wiz on May 25, 2021 17:41:21 GMT -6
I have a current M1 Mac Mini and run Logic. It is not "fake ready," it is ready, and it's really good. What's not ready are some third party plugins and some MIDI interfaces that are not Core MIDI compliant. For that reason, I run Logic in Rosetta mode most of the time, where it has been fast and stable. I've had exceedingly few issues. Similar deal with Final Cut Pro: some of the third-party plugins I use aren't ARM-ready yet. The last of those are scheduled to be ready by September. I'll say, too, that I'd read about Prosser's report a few days ago, and if it's all true, I'll probably try and get a new M1X Mini and sell my M1 Mini, not because the M1 isn't good (it is), but just because resale will probably still be pretty good on it. I still wait till there is a clear go for LogicX. On YT I can find similar results like we had them here in my studio. I still doubt logic is ready because we only used logic plug ins to do the test. I am experiencing zero problems (touch wood) in Logic... running UAD,Fab Filter, Izotope, M7 link, Waves, Toontrack SD3 I am running in Rosetta cheers Wiz |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 25, 2021 18:33:38 GMT -6
I had zero problems too, almost identical set up, cept using Aurora , only problems were its big Sur drivers.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 25, 2021 18:34:58 GMT -6
Mr Holmes I thought I read Logic was updated for big Sur, what problems are you worried about ?
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Post by the other mark williams on May 25, 2021 19:17:05 GMT -6
I have a current M1 Mac Mini and run Logic. It is not "fake ready," it is ready, and it's really good. What's not ready are some third party plugins and some MIDI interfaces that are not Core MIDI compliant. For that reason, I run Logic in Rosetta mode most of the time, where it has been fast and stable. I've had exceedingly few issues. Similar deal with Final Cut Pro: some of the third-party plugins I use aren't ARM-ready yet. The last of those are scheduled to be ready by September. I'll say, too, that I'd read about Prosser's report a few days ago, and if it's all true, I'll probably try and get a new M1X Mini and sell my M1 Mini, not because the M1 isn't good (it is), but just because resale will probably still be pretty good on it. I still wait till there is a clear go for LogicX. On YT I can find similar results like we had them here in my studio. I still doubt logic is ready because we only used logic plug ins to do the test. I don't know what to tell you, man. I haven't had any problems in Logic on the M1 Mini. There's an ARM version and a Rosetta version - you just run whichever version fits your plugin situation. Obviously if your audio interface doesn't have universal binary drivers, it's not going to work. Metric Halo was ready with drivers before the M1 Macs even landed, so I've been fine on that front. |
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Post by Quint on May 25, 2021 20:43:08 GMT -6
So, for those of you with real world experience in comparing the two, just how much faster/more powerful/better is the M1 compared to the previous generation of Mac's?
And the M1x is supposed to be even better than the M1?
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Post by Mister Chase on May 25, 2021 20:48:43 GMT -6
So, for those of you with real world experience in comparing the two, just how much faster/more powerful/better is the M1 compared to the previous generation of Mac's? And the M1x is supposed to be even better than the M1? I only have exp on the M1 and my 2012 MBP, not a more recent Intel gen.
I've been having a hard time finding direct comparisons. It's a little more complicated than comparing Intel to AMD or something like that, it seems.
M1x is supposed to be better, yes. A step up. 10 total cores. I don't know about clock speed or anything like that. But more than 16g of ram will be available as well.
I want to see some real world tests as close as we can of M1x vs a Ryzen with a similar number of cores. Honestly, at this point in my life, I may be ready to sacrifice the raw power of my custom PC's to get the stability and ease of use I get on my mac.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 25, 2021 22:21:01 GMT -6
I don’t have any numbers but everything loaded and completely faster and that was running rosetta2, so not as fast as the m1, could be.
M1x with double, triple and maybe more cores and ram,will be faster still and faster running heavy processing sessions.
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Post by OtisGreying on May 25, 2021 22:39:32 GMT -6
I had zero problems too, almost identical set up, cept using Aurora , only problems were its big Sur drivers. Did you figure out a workaround kcatt? Will the Lynx get some sort of firmware update to be compatible or did you need to go to a different OS? |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 26, 2021 4:23:16 GMT -6
I just reverted to Catalina and my 2012 mbp, the older drivers are rock solid.
I was part of their driver test apparently others were ok in big Sur, but I know Lynx thinks the big Sur dust has to settle, so I thought return m1 and wait for m1x.
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Post by veggieryan on May 26, 2021 10:52:08 GMT -6
I'm on an M1 Mac Mini for about 4 months now. It is the biggest jump in CPU power in our lifetimes. For audio the key is the single core speed. I doubt we will see another exponential jump in single core speed like M1 had over Intel. Therefore I don't anticipate any real need to upgrade from M1 to M1X for most audio users unless you are running large sampler libraries and need tons of RAM. Already I can't make the M1 break a sweat running giant sessions in LUNA in Rossetta 2. The jump from emulated to native binaries will be much larger than M1 to M1X as we are seeing with the unbelievable results of the recent Uhe Diva native version for example. M1 is a beast. LUNA will fly once it's native. If you are still on PC now is the time to sell and switch before they lose the rest of their value in my opinion. Imagine no fan noise and 1/10th the power consumption for what feels like 2-4X the performance.
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Post by Mister Chase on May 26, 2021 11:01:32 GMT -6
I'm all for it. The slimmer Mini with M1x is going to be what I grab this summer/fall. Not just increased cores but ram and ports. I do modern productions sometimes with massive amounts of VSTi's and I want the max multithread for Studio One and PT. Even with my Kaby Lake i7700k, PT was killing me with native plugins from day one. Despite all my efforts tweaking BIOS and windows until I was blue in the face. I'm pretty ready to jump. I'd have gotten a Mac Pro long ago if I could have afforded it.
Meanwhile, I am still doing remote sessions on my used 2012 MBP in PT without issue.
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