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Post by Mister Chase on May 29, 2021 17:19:55 GMT -6
My support with Lynx has always been great.
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Post by shakermaker on May 30, 2021 9:42:00 GMT -6
My mac M1 is amazing, running studio one / apollo UAD ... quiet, fast, small foot print. Can't see the need to upgrade to M1X but excited to see what they will be all about What are the pertinent specs of your Mini? Cost? Maxed everything out, and it was still cheap considering for a mac. 16 gigs of ram ... I've spent so many hours building quiet pc's in this big huge towers over the years, its so nice to just have a small, quiet, cool mac that gets the job done...
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Post by plinker on May 30, 2021 10:51:46 GMT -6
What are the pertinent specs of your Mini? Cost? Maxed everything out, and it was still cheap considering for a mac. 16 gigs of ram ... I've spent so many hours building quiet pc's in this big huge towers over the years, its so nice to just have a small, quiet, cool mac that gets the job done... I'll be upgrading my old Hachintosh with the M1X when it comes out.
I'm done with big boxes!
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Post by veggieryan on May 30, 2021 12:53:30 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on May 31, 2021 3:17:03 GMT -6
Yeah, guys for years have been chasing specs with PCs but my research on people working with M1 on audio and video has been that it works great overall, consumes a small fraction of the energy and has very little heat. If I can track and mix with no fan noise that's the option I'm reaching for. Even if some other chip is technically stronger, sounds like the M1 is an improvement and likely the future of creative studios.
I think the more interesting question, beyond what the M1x will cost is when will Apple open up the iPads a bit more for software. They have the same M1 right now, but you could not run a standard DAW. I could see a lot of young bands wanting to track at rehearsal with just an iPad. It should be technically possible.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 31, 2021 4:10:35 GMT -6
I get the let’s have direct comparisons concerns, but why in the world would apple design and build a new soc architecture that underperforms against intel chips ?
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Post by sirthought on May 31, 2021 5:49:25 GMT -6
I get the let’s have direct comparisons concerns, but why in the world would apple design and build a new soc architecture that underperforms against intel chips ? Well if it's aimed at the mass market, they could build it for a lot of things. Just look at how many computers have been sold with lower powered Atom processors.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 31, 2021 6:20:50 GMT -6
ah the point was that Apple wanted to outperform intel, apparently at all price points, it wil be interesting to see the continued roll out of of the m1x and the next gen processors to confirm their performance.
Processing performance is one thing but the reduced heat, related fan noise and energy consumption are certainly impressive.
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Post by ericn on May 31, 2021 9:50:19 GMT -6
What will be interesting is to see how Apple / ARM manage multi cores and CPU’s
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Post by dok on May 31, 2021 11:01:36 GMT -6
Yeah, guys for years have been chasing specs with PCs but my research on people working with M1 on audio and video has been that it works great overall, consumes a small fraction of the energy and has very little heat. If I can track and mix with no fan noise that's the option I'm reaching for. Even if some other chip is technically stronger, sounds like the M1 is an improvement and likely the future of creative studios. Considering that aside from performance questions the chief complaint always seems to be fan noise it sounds like Apple did exactly what audio customers have been asking for. I'm really excited for the next round of machines.
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Post by Mister Chase on May 31, 2021 11:28:40 GMT -6
Yeah, guys for years have been chasing specs with PCs but my research on people working with M1 on audio and video has been that it works great overall, consumes a small fraction of the energy and has very little heat. If I can track and mix with no fan noise that's the option I'm reaching for. Even if some other chip is technically stronger, sounds like the M1 is an improvement and likely the future of creative studios. I think the more interesting question, beyond what the M1x will cost is when will Apple open up the iPads a bit more for software. They have the same M1 right now, but you could not run a standard DAW. I could see a lot of young bands wanting to track at rehearsal with just an iPad. It should be technically possible. Yea, I've built all my PC's since 2000 ish when I was in high school. I keep it in another room that I don't track in. But I wouldn't mind a quiet computer.
I think if they give us some higher performance options with more cores (the M1x supposedly has 8 high perf cores) then it should be a great system for audio. No hyperthreading so it would be nice to get the core count higher. Once this whole system evolves and software is on board, could be great.
The energy cost is wayyyyyyyyyyy lower. Something like 32 watts under load on LTT's video they did not long ago. Many powerful PC procs are over 100w just the proc alone.
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Post by OtisGreying on May 31, 2021 11:58:56 GMT -6
I get the let’s have direct comparisons concerns, but why in the world would apple design and build a new soc architecture that underperforms against intel chips ? How is it underperforming? M1 benchmarks I thought were blowing intel out of the water?
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Post by kcatthedog on May 31, 2021 12:10:47 GMT -6
Was being facetious, poking fun at all the m1 naysayers, as obviously Apple knew exactly the performance improvement it was looking for.
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 6, 2021 12:13:32 GMT -6
I too was going to wait till the Fall when supposedly the upgraded M1X might arrive. But life intervened when my 2012 Mac mini died three weeks ago. With paying studio work scheduled for the summer I needed to act fast. I ended up buying the M1 with 16GB Ram and a 500 drive. With my Apogee Symphony/Thunderbolt drivers not scheduled to be M1 Big Sur ready until the Fall I also grabbed an MI ready Motu UltraLite MK5 and I'm using it in combination with the Symphony in standalone mode. I'm running Cubase 11 with the usual plugins--Fabfilter, Klanghelm, Valhalla, Eventide, Cytomic etc. as well as external effects. So far? ZERO issues with the M1. Something will probably arise as time goes on but I'm super impressed so far. It's zippy and cool to the touch.
I know that everyone's needs are different. If you need multiple video monitors, do a lot of post production, or run dozens of instances of Kontakt maybe the M1 wouldn't fit your needs. But my thing is basically recording and mixing real instruments and so far I couldn't be happier with the M1.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 6, 2021 22:29:08 GMT -6
I too was going to wait till the Fall when supposedly the upgraded M1X might arrive. But life intervened when my 2012 Mac mini died three weeks ago. With paying studio work scheduled for the summer I needed to act fast. I ended up buying the M1 with 16GB Ram and a 500 drive. With my Apogee Symphony/Thunderbolt drivers not scheduled to be M1 Big Sur ready until the Fall I also grabbed an MI ready Motu UltraLite MK5 and I'm using it in combination with the Symphony in standalone mode. I'm running Cubase 11 with the usual plugins--Fabfilter, Klanghelm, Valhalla, Eventide, Cytomic etc. as well as external effects. So far? ZERO issues with the M1. Something will probably arise as time goes on but I'm super impressed so far. It's zippy and cool to the touch. I know that everyone's needs are different. If you need multiple video monitors, do a lot of post production, or run dozens of instances of Kontakt maybe the M1 wouldn't fit your needs. But my thing is basically recording and mixing real instruments and so far I couldn't be happier with the M1. Hoping when everything finally gets coded for Big Sur m1 that the tests show really crushing power for kontakt. I typically do classical and jazz but when I do pop, I sometimes have a LOT of Kontakt going. Need the juice.
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Post by dok on Jun 7, 2021 18:19:15 GMT -6
No new Apple hardware announcements at WWDC today. So we continue to wait...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 19:30:59 GMT -6
I'm on an M1 Mac Mini for about 4 months now. It is the biggest jump in CPU power in our lifetimes. For audio the key is the single core speed. I doubt we will see another exponential jump in single core speed like M1 had over Intel. Therefore I don't anticipate any real need to upgrade from M1 to M1X for most audio users unless you are running large sampler libraries and need tons of RAM. Already I can't make the M1 break a sweat running giant sessions in LUNA in Rossetta 2. The jump from emulated to native binaries will be much larger than M1 to M1X as we are seeing with the unbelievable results of the recent Uhe Diva native version for example. M1 is a beast. LUNA will fly once it's native. If you are still on PC now is the time to sell and switch before they lose the rest of their value in my opinion. Imagine no fan noise and 1/10th the power consumption for what feels like 2-4X the performance. It is? I'm pretty sure a Ryzen 9 5950X would make mincemeat out of an M1, single core (M1) 3.2Ghz / 5950X (4.9Ghz w/ turbo), also most decent plugins etc. are multi-threaded nowadays and DAW's usually spread every channel across different cores.. In terms of performance in the high end sector of CPU's the M1 is average but that's not really the point. The really and I mean REALLY impressive bit is relative performance vs. TDP, the M1 in the Macbook Air essentially outputs similar watts under load as a mobile phone (10W)?! The MBP and Mini's are a little bit more powerful than the Air and requires more power but still, a 25(ish) watt load is still ridiculous. I guess it's mobility and potentially noise that's the biggest factor, a Ryzen 1700X ($200.00) is a bit more powerful than an M1 on average and with a quiet blower shouldn't be all that bad. If your M1 isn't breaking a sweat neither will the Ryzen.. For me where the M1X really pays dividends is the mobile device / laptop sector, the I9 in my generation (2018 / 2019) MBP throttled under thermals, having access to a 12 core in a "mobile" device that's not going to set itself on fire is amazing. I'd even get rid of my desktops, see I don't just do audio, I still use desktops (16 core +) for work / programming / design. With an M1X I could easily combine all of my spare devices..
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 7, 2021 19:45:52 GMT -6
I'm on an M1 Mac Mini for about 4 months now. It is the biggest jump in CPU power in our lifetimes. For audio the key is the single core speed. I doubt we will see another exponential jump in single core speed like M1 had over Intel. Therefore I don't anticipate any real need to upgrade from M1 to M1X for most audio users unless you are running large sampler libraries and need tons of RAM. Already I can't make the M1 break a sweat running giant sessions in LUNA in Rossetta 2. The jump from emulated to native binaries will be much larger than M1 to M1X as we are seeing with the unbelievable results of the recent Uhe Diva native version for example. M1 is a beast. LUNA will fly once it's native. If you are still on PC now is the time to sell and switch before they lose the rest of their value in my opinion. Imagine no fan noise and 1/10th the power consumption for what feels like 2-4X the performance. It is? I'm pretty sure a Ryzen 9 5950X would make mincemeat out of an M1, single core (M1) 3.2Ghz / 5950X (4.9Ghz w/ turbo), also most decent plugins etc. are multi-threaded nowadays and DAW's usually spread every channel across different cores.. In terms of performance in the high end sector of CPU's the M1 is average but that's not really the point. The really and I mean REALLY impressive bit is relative performance vs. TDP, the M1 in the Macbook Air essentially outputs similar watts under load as a mobile phone (10W)?! The MBP and Mini's are a little bit more powerful than the Air and requires more power but still, a 25(ish) watt load is still ridiculous. I guess it's mobility and potentially noise that's the biggest factor, a Ryzen 1700X ($200.00) is a bit more powerful than an M1 on average and with a quiet blower shouldn't be all that bad. If your M1 isn't breaking a sweat neither will the Ryzen.. For me where the M1X really pays dividends is the mobile device / laptop sector, the I9 in my generation (2018 / 2019) MBP throttled under thermals, having access to a 12 core in a "mobile" device that's not going to set itself on fire is amazing. I'd even get rid of my desktops, see I don't just do audio, I still use desktops (16 core +) for work / programming / design. With an M1X I could easily combine all of my spare devices.. Yea, its remarkable about the power consumption with M1. However, I think most people are thinking the M1 is supposed to compete with these high end Ryzens etc and they really aren't made for that. They are in most end user devices for average users. We haven't seen what the "Jade" code name dies are all about. Those will likely be the ones to compare to higher end CPU cores. I'm looking forward to all this.
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