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Post by nobtwiddler on May 26, 2021 15:17:59 GMT -6
And it probably won't work with anything we run now!
I personally can't wait.
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Post by shakermaker on May 26, 2021 16:32:27 GMT -6
My mac M1 is amazing, running studio one / apollo UAD ... quiet, fast, small foot print. Can't see the need to upgrade to M1X but excited to see what they will be all about
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Post by Quint on May 26, 2021 17:23:40 GMT -6
My mac M1 is amazing, running studio one / apollo UAD ... quiet, fast, small foot print. Can't see the need to upgrade to M1X but excited to see what they will be all about What are the pertinent specs of your Mini? Cost?
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Post by kcatthedog on May 26, 2021 17:56:11 GMT -6
You really just decide on drive size and 8 or 16 g of ram. As the ram is more efficient it’s not exactly the same processing capacity has old ram.
As it’s not upgradable after you buy, most go with 16 for audio.
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Post by nobtwiddler on May 26, 2021 19:15:52 GMT -6
I bought new Mac mini with 2 TB of Storage and 32 Gigs of Ram, literally a week before they release the MI's I forgot the specs, but it was the best fastest one they offered at that time.
Thought I'd be good.
Have had nothing but problems while attempting to use Luna. I never know if it will work the next day.
First the Render meter would be slammed all the time, so I purchased a Sonnet GPU puck, (another $1000!) And that reduced the Rendering quite a bit. All was good for a while.
Since then I recently updated the computer to Big Sur, and then updated Luna accordingly.
Luna now crashes multiple times per song. Half the time, I can't even work so I give up. In the middle of listening to a song back the screen will go completly blank, and then say "loading" usually in a few minutes it comes back. But a lot of the time, it just crashes the entire system.
The render meter is usually OK...But now the Memory Meter is thru the roof? I don't get it.
It's too bad, cause now I can't even get thru a song.
If I knew for sure it was the computer, I'd buy yet another new one........$$$ BUT, I really don't wanna throw good money after bad...
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Post by Mister Chase on May 26, 2021 19:25:20 GMT -6
I bought new Mac mini with 2 TB of Storage and 32 Gigs of Ram, literally a week before they release the MI's I forgot the specs, but it was the best fastest one they offered at that time. Thought I'd be good. Have had nothing but problems while attempting to use Luna. I never know if it will work the next day. First the Render meter would be slammed all the time, so I purchased a Sonnet GPU puck, (another $1000!) And that reduced the Rendering quite a bit. All was good for a while. Since then I recently updated the computer to Big Sur, and then updated Luna accordingly. Luna now crashes multiple times per song. Half the time, I can't even work so I give up. In the middle of listening to a song back the screen will go completly blank, and then say "loading" usually in a few minutes it comes back. But a lot of the time, it just crashes the entire system. The render meter is usually OK...But now the Memory Meter is thru the roof? I don't get it. It's too bad, cause now I can't even get thru a song. If I knew for sure it was the computer, I'd buy yet another new one........$$$ BUT, I really don't wanna throw good money after bad... I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. One commonality is of course Luna, have you tried other DAWs and if so, have you experienced the same issues?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 26, 2021 19:26:57 GMT -6
I bought new Mac mini with 2 TB of Storage and 32 Gigs of Ram, literally a week before they release the MI's I forgot the specs, but it was the best fastest one they offered at that time. Thought I'd be good. Have had nothing but problems while attempting to use Luna. I never know if it will work the next day. First the Render meter would be slammed all the time, so I purchased a Sonnet GPU puck, (another $1000!) And that reduced the Rendering quite a bit. All was good for a while. Since then I recently updated the computer to Big Sur, and then updated Luna accordingly. Luna now crashes multiple times per song. Half the time, I can't even work so I give up. In the middle of listening to a song back the screen will go completly blank, and then say "loading" usually in a few minutes it comes back. But a lot of the time, it just crashes the entire system. The render meter is usually OK...But now the Memory Meter is thru the roof? I don't get it. It's too bad, cause now I can't even get thru a song. If I knew for sure it was the computer, I'd buy yet another new one........$$$ BUT, I really don't wanna throw good money after bad... That kind’ve stuff makes me nervous
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Post by veggieryan on May 26, 2021 19:34:30 GMT -6
LUNA never crashes on my M1 mini. Sounds like a hardware compatibility problem or maybe even a bad cable somewhere. Maybe your intel mac mini is just a lemon and you could try to exchange it with apple or get apple care if its less than a year old. Did it crash before you added the external GPU?
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Post by nobtwiddler on May 26, 2021 19:39:21 GMT -6
"That kind’ve stuff makes me nervous"
Yep That's why I still own and use Radar, never a problem, and it sounds better than mostly everything I ever heard.
I just got into Luna for the hell of it. Figured it would be a cool option for certain projects. But I'm not sure it's ready for prime time just yet. It's a great product, as is most of the Stuff UA puts out, plugs, hardware, etc. And their guys who help you out when you have a problem are the best, really great people.
When it worked, (works) it was great~!
Tomorrow's another day.
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Post by nobtwiddler on May 26, 2021 19:40:58 GMT -6
Oh... Only crashes with Luna! Works fine, with DP, using the Apollo's or DP using my UNL-8's...
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 19:44:36 GMT -6
"That kind’ve stuff makes me nervous" Yep That's why I still own and use Radar, never a problem, and it sounds better than mostly everything I ever heard. I just got into Luna for the hell of it. Figured it would be a cool option for certain projects. But I'm not sure it's ready for prime time just yet. It's a great product, as is most of the Stuff UA puts out, plugs, hardware, etc. And their guys who help you out when you have a problem are the best, really great people. When it worked, (works) it was great~! Tomorrow's another day. Well, DAW's are rather complex and Luna is new to the table. Although this is UA we're speaking about so they've got the resources and cash to throw at sorting out these issues. Even Logic back in the day made by Apple themselves had issues, especially around delay comp AFAIR.. I have to admit that was one of the deciding factors behind keeping the Apollo X, when I do have to upgrade to Big Sur eventually I know UA will be on top of it.
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Post by ericn on May 26, 2021 20:53:14 GMT -6
"That kind’ve stuff makes me nervous" Yep That's why I still own and use Radar, never a problem, and it sounds better than mostly everything I ever heard. I just got into Luna for the hell of it. Figured it would be a cool option for certain projects. But I'm not sure it's ready for prime time just yet. It's a great product, as is most of the Stuff UA puts out, plugs, hardware, etc. And their guys who help you out when you have a problem are the best, really great people. When it worked, (works) it was great~! Tomorrow's another day. I haven’t put together a Luna system, but since it was once my day job, it’s got to be Luna my friend. Yeah this is why I don’t think my RADAR V will ever leave my rack it just works and this is why we always pushed intergrated systems we built. Were they on the cutting edge ? Hell no, I made it very plain that we would build for stability first and foremost. Is it sexy? Well there is nothing less sexy than a system that doesn’t work when you need it to. Apple sort of has everybody over a barrel again ( think, Newbus, PCI, PowerPC,G4, G5 Intel PCIE, good good how many times have I been here). I was talking to corporate IT infrastructure guy who can’t believe that we use Apple professionally because of how many major revisions we have been through. Good luck !
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Post by rowmat on May 26, 2021 20:55:16 GMT -6
"That kind’ve stuff makes me nervous" Yep That's why I still own and use Radar, never a problem, and it sounds better than mostly everything I ever heard. I just got into Luna for the hell of it. Figured it would be a cool option for certain projects. But I'm not sure it's ready for prime time just yet. It's a great product, as is most of the Stuff UA puts out, plugs, hardware, etc. And their guys who help you out when you have a problem are the best, really great people. When it worked, (works) it was great~! Tomorrow's another day. A reason I used two modified HD24XR’s (one as an A/D and the other as a D/A) connected via RME Madi. No proprietary drivers, software, updates resulting in a broken system or other crap and if the computer went down I could just jam a hard drive in the HD24XR’s and keep recording.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 26, 2021 22:29:21 GMT -6
Oh... Only crashes with Luna! Works fine, with DP, using the Apollo's or DP using my UNL-8's... Just a thought, because it really made an enormous difference for me. Do you have anything else open besides Luna? Luna REALLY doesn’t like for me to have iTunes and other things open. When I close them everything is usually kosher. I’ve had a few crashes here and there, but what’s great about Luna is it’s updating all the time. Pro Tools crashes on me every mix - without fail. I’ve just gotten used to it. Trigger seems to piss it off sometimes. Or warp.
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Post by javamad on May 27, 2021 5:42:50 GMT -6
2020 iMac here 8 cores 64Gb ram
Luna does crash on opening projects about once every two weeks About once a month I have to reboot
Other than that its pretty solid and I am really liking the sounds I am getting and how quickly mixes come together with the summing and now API Console emulation. (Note: I was already a 90% UAD user so moving to Luna was pretty easy for me)
I did try Luna last year on an old mid 2012 MBPro but the fans were going crazy and I had audio drop outs … but no crashes, go figure
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Post by svart on May 27, 2021 15:13:12 GMT -6
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Post by veggieryan on May 27, 2021 15:33:27 GMT -6
Once you actually use an M1 Macbook you realize that all x86 chips are obsolete unless you enjoy the sound of a hair dryer blowing into your ears all day while frying an egg on your crotch.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 27, 2021 16:37:20 GMT -6
I bought new Mac mini with 2 TB of Storage and 32 Gigs of Ram, literally a week before they release the MI's I forgot the specs, but it was the best fastest one they offered at that time. Thought I'd be good. Have had nothing but problems while attempting to use Luna. I never know if it will work the next day. First the Render meter would be slammed all the time, so I purchased a Sonnet GPU puck, (another $1000!) And that reduced the Rendering quite a bit. All was good for a while. Since then I recently updated the computer to Big Sur, and then updated Luna accordingly. Luna now crashes multiple times per song. Half the time, I can't even work so I give up. In the middle of listening to a song back the screen will go completly blank, and then say "loading" usually in a few minutes it comes back. But a lot of the time, it just crashes the entire system. The render meter is usually OK...But now the Memory Meter is thru the roof? I don't get it. It's too bad, cause now I can't even get thru a song. If I knew for sure it was the computer, I'd buy yet another new one........$$$ BUT, I really don't wanna throw good money after bad... That kind’ve stuff makes me nervous Remember, though: he’s talking about his Intel machine here…
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Post by Mister Chase on May 27, 2021 16:43:46 GMT -6
I'd be curious about that. They'd better step up. Linus was skeptical of Apple's claims without real benchmarks. The M1 just doesn't fly the same as x86 equivalents yet. I am hopeful that it will change. Otherwise, I'll still have to keep building my PC's because the OEM procs beat anything I can afford at Apple. I just don't make enough $ from audio to justify a Mac Pro. Fingers crossed for M1x but they'll need more than just 2 extra cores to do it.
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Post by OtisGreying on May 27, 2021 17:05:06 GMT -6
I just reverted to Catalina and my 2012 mbp, the older drivers are rock solid. I was part of their driver test apparently others were ok in big Sur, but I know Lynx thinks the big Sur dust has to settle, so I thought return m1 and wait for m1x. Very confused, are you using your 2012 MBP instead of M1 because you need to be on Catalina to use the lynx? Sounds pretty shitty to me if you can’t use M1 properly with Lynx Aurora N yet the lynx website says it’s all compatible and up to date with M1 silicon.
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Post by dok on May 29, 2021 13:25:36 GMT -6
It literally says in the article over and over that it's not an apples to apples comparison. The M1 is running the majority of these benchmarks under the Rosetta emulation layer, with half of the RAM of the top performers and about 1/3 of the power consumption with very little in the way of active cooling. Their defining criteria seems to be that the two laptops "weigh the same" which is apparently the metric by which most people measure their laptops. And before anyone accuses me of saying that the M1 is the greatest computer of all time, I'm not, but until you get benchmarks that are all natively run on systems with equal RAM and that are not throttled to stay within certain thermal and power consumption parameters, you're going to get wildly differing results like this. People on audio forums go to great lengths to eliminate every other variable between comparing microphones or preamps or even cables, for pete's sake, and this kind of comparison would get laughed out of the room if it was between audio chains with as many different variables.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 29, 2021 15:23:59 GMT -6
I just reverted to Catalina and my 2012 mbp, the older drivers are rock solid. I was part of their driver test apparently others were ok in big Sur, but I know Lynx thinks the big Sur dust has to settle, so I thought return m1 and wait for m1x. Very confused, are you using your 2012 MBP instead of M1 because you need to be on Catalina to use the lynx? Sounds pretty shitty to me if you can’t use M1 properly with Lynx Aurora N yet the lynx website says it’s all compatible and up to date with M1 silicon. My experience was about 1-2 months ago. I didn’t have good ncontrol performance running the beta drivers on m1 with big Sur. I also had my 2012 mbp i7 here running Catalina so set it up with the previous Lynx drivers, worked perfectly. Apple had extended the return time for m1 mini with full refund. So, I sent it back, have been using my 2012 mbp Catalina with zero problems with Aurora N and an just letting big Sur and m1x dust settle , then I will likely but an m1x mini or the mbp 16 inch.
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Post by OtisGreying on May 29, 2021 15:32:56 GMT -6
Very confused, are you using your 2012 MBP instead of M1 because you need to be on Catalina to use the lynx? Sounds pretty shitty to me if you can’t use M1 properly with Lynx Aurora N yet the lynx website says it’s all compatible and up to date with M1 silicon. My experience was about 1-2 months ago. I didn’t have good ncontrol performance running the beta drivers on m1 with big Sur. I also had my 2012 mbp i7 here running Catalina so set it up with the previous Lynx drivers, worked perfectly. Apple had extended the return time for m1 mini with full refund. So, I sent it back, have been using my 2012 mbp Catalina with zero problems with Aurora N and an just letting big Sur and m1x dust settle , then I will likely but an m1x mini or the mbp 16 inch. Thanks for the clarification kcatt, my plan was to match an m1x MBP with a lynx N so it very much applies to me. Hopefully by the time I acquire both the dust will have settled has you put it
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Post by kcatthedog on May 29, 2021 15:59:43 GMT -6
I had some great support from Paul and David from Lynx. David was an Apple big Sur beta tester so knew the BS bugs intimately. I love my Aurora N and it works perfectly on my 2012 mbp with the previous drivers, so I’m good for now. I had a $13k tax bill to take care of by end of May, so it just didn't make sense to keep the m1 mini, although it was certainly faster then my mbp. Serendipity showed up though as turns out my employer from almost 3 year’s ago owed me like $26k in severance after almost 30 years of employment: go figure !
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 29, 2021 16:43:00 GMT -6
Love that kcat!
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