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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 24, 2021 16:10:54 GMT -6
No - both units were crushing. It's really interesting how the Stam lets the snare drum ring but still slams down the cymbals. Good stuff. |
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Post by ragan on May 24, 2021 16:12:18 GMT -6
The Stam just sounds better and I don't find it to be a close call. More life, breathes more.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2021 16:16:51 GMT -6
I'm gonna have to start doing hybrid again, aren't I?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 16:18:13 GMT -6
I'm gonna have to start doing hybrid again, aren't I? Simply put, yes. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2021 16:19:17 GMT -6
This kind've goes along with drbill's HW thread - the biggest thing HW is the weight it adds to the bottom end. Same with pres, EQs, Comps... |
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Post by gouge on May 24, 2021 16:20:07 GMT -6
Yep. Imagine if you became one of these all analogue studios....
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2021 16:21:26 GMT -6
Yep. Imagine if you became one of these all analogue studios.... I'd have to get paid more. A lot more. |
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Post by gouge on May 24, 2021 16:23:21 GMT -6
Aint that the truth...
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 16:23:40 GMT -6
Yep. Imagine if you became one of these all analogue studios.... I'd have to get paid more. A lot more. Bankruptcy is over rated.  I am joking of course, nothing wrong with a hybrid setup.. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 24, 2021 16:56:47 GMT -6
I'd have to get paid more. A lot more. Bankruptcy is over rated. I am joking of course, nothing wrong with a hybrid setup.. Gotta spend money to make money or something like that. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2021 17:01:05 GMT -6
Not sure that completely holds true in the Music Business.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 24, 2021 17:10:45 GMT -6
I think it’s somebody wants you to spend money so they can make more money from you ?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 24, 2021 17:11:44 GMT -6
Not sure that completely holds true in the Music Business. Or really any business. |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 24, 2021 17:14:23 GMT -6
That was my little dig at the streaming services  |
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Post by phantom on May 24, 2021 17:55:57 GMT -6
Very different.
I really like the Stam, but it's saturating a lot isn't it? While the UAD is keeping clean?
Is the Stam not able to do clean when compressing this much?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2021 18:21:17 GMT -6
Very different. I really like the Stam, but it's saturating a lot isn't it? While the UAD is keeping clean? Is the Stam not able to do clean when compressing this much? I really would expect it to at that attack and release and GR. Slow the real ease and it doesn’t pump as much. |
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Post by bentley on May 24, 2021 18:31:24 GMT -6
No - both units were crushing. Can you upload the dry without the snare verb? Running it through my successor for giggles. 2ms attack, 100ms release at 6:1? In the more current samples, the UAD seems to get a bit spitty and smaller. |
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Post by ragan on May 24, 2021 18:33:26 GMT -6
To me, it's not just a matter of compression timing or harmonics, it's a spatial/depth thing. The UAD just sounds flatter by comparison, hazier, regardless of what's going on with the transients.
Subjective of course but it's similar to what I've found before in HW/SW comparisons. This one's a bit more dramatic than I usually find though.
The UAD 33609 is pretty old, isn't it? I don't think they ever gave that the MKII treatment.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 24, 2021 18:43:03 GMT -6
I think it was the first end to end emulation, so UA considers akin to a mkii, different than the typical mki?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 18:47:29 GMT -6
To me, it's not just a matter of compression timing or harmonics, it's a spatial/depth thing. The UAD just sounds flatter by comparison, hazier, regardless of what's going on with the transients. Subjective of course but it's similar to what I've found before in HW/SW comparisons. This one's a bit more dramatic than I usually find though. The UAD 33609 is pretty old, isn't it? I don't think they ever gave that the MKII treatment. Nods very hard, what he said.. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2021 19:06:42 GMT -6
To me, it's not just a matter of compression timing or harmonics, it's a spatial/depth thing. The UAD just sounds flatter by comparison, hazier, regardless of what's going on with the transients. Subjective of course but it's similar to what I've found before in HW/SW comparisons. This one's a bit more dramatic than I usually find though. The UAD 33609 is pretty old, isn't it? I don't think they ever gave that the MKII treatment. Yeah I agree. |
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Post by Mister Chase on May 24, 2021 21:36:55 GMT -6
Hardware.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2021 22:17:02 GMT -6
Wasn’t really meant to be a HW vs. SW thing...just as a measuring stick.
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Post by Mister Chase on May 24, 2021 22:19:49 GMT -6
Wasn’t really meant to be a HW vs. SW thing...just as a measuring stick. Fair enough. I own the UAD and like it. But I've been after a hardware version for a while just because all the demo's sounded different in a way I liked... just so happen that it's the hardware I like more. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 3:29:41 GMT -6
Wasn’t really meant to be a HW vs. SW thing...just as a measuring stick. Fair enough. I own the UAD and like it. But I've been after a hardware version for a while just because all the demo's sounded different in a way I liked... just so happen that it's the hardware I like more. IMO that's not just a plugin thing, I know there's some slight discrepancies between hardware but the WA-2A sounded nothing like my Teletronix. Stam really do seem to get it on the money IMO, issue is buying anything from them is difficult at best. |
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