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Post by phdamage on Jun 20, 2021 12:51:17 GMT -6
Joke’s on me! Pulled out of the box to use on a session and I couldn’t get an XLR cable in the housing. Dunno if there is too much paint in there or what, but I’m going to exchange this one
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 20, 2021 14:33:49 GMT -6
I have the R121. Nothing else is quite like it in the midrange. That said, the Bumblebee RM5 is close in overall design to the R121. I have the RM6 and the RM7 though. The RM6 is a bit more extended in the top end and less boomy, but the mids are similar. I recently used the RM6/57 combo on a guitar cabinet next to another cabinet with R121/57 combo and honestly I couldn't tell much difference between them. I haven't done explicit side-by-side tests though. I’d love to hear more about the bumblebee Rm6 you have. What are you factory uses? How does it sound on drums? I’m considering buying a pair of those or the RM5’s
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Post by svart on Jun 21, 2021 7:36:52 GMT -6
I have the R121. Nothing else is quite like it in the midrange. That said, the Bumblebee RM5 is close in overall design to the R121. I have the RM6 and the RM7 though. The RM6 is a bit more extended in the top end and less boomy, but the mids are similar. I recently used the RM6/57 combo on a guitar cabinet next to another cabinet with R121/57 combo and honestly I couldn't tell much difference between them. I haven't done explicit side-by-side tests though. I’d love to hear more about the bumblebee Rm6 you have. What are you factory uses? How does it sound on drums? I’m considering buying a pair of those or the RM5’s What initially sold me were the videos in the build thread here on this site: realgearonline.com/thread/8749/bumblebee-ribbon-mic-assembly-videoI haven't used mine on "drums" per se, but have used them as room mics for drums occasionally, although I don't have any specific tracks I could show you offhand. I need to set up this week for some work this weekend, so maybe I'll set up a mono overhead with the RM6. I bought the mic mainly to use as a second guitar ribbon and all-around mic. So far I've done both and haven't even given it a second thought since it just works. The RM5 is a longer ribbon but also a thicker ribbon, so it'll give more of a ribbon-y vibe.
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Post by phdamage on Jun 21, 2021 10:30:23 GMT -6
update: speaking with Matt at Stager. looks like some of the powder coat got in my connector. i shaved it a little and managed to get some cables with Neutrik connectors to fit (Switchcraft worked just fine), but most of my cables have Redco connectors and none of those fit still
to be fair, Matt has been super responsive trying to resolve this.
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Post by phdamage on Jul 17, 2021 21:07:01 GMT -6
coming back to just say that aside from the weird/annoying thing where a lot of my mic cables wouldn't fit into the mic (literally have never had this happen before in 25 years and well over 100 mics!), the SR-2N sounds great! have been pleasantly surprised with their performance on distorted guitar cabs. pretty sure i want another, but definitely curious about that other mic they make now!
will be my first choice for distorted guitars for sure, going forward.
PS anyone wanna buy one of my M160s?
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Post by roundbadge on Jul 19, 2021 10:54:26 GMT -6
I just got the sr-5 here On cabs it’s more focused and slightly tighter in the lows than the sr2 Liking it on the distorted stuff. Matches well with others ..57,545 unidyne etc
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Post by enlav on Jul 19, 2021 18:53:02 GMT -6
coming back to just say that aside from the weird/annoying thing where a lot of my mic cables wouldn't fit into the mic (literally have never had this happen before in 25 years and well over 100 mics!), the SR-2N sounds great! have been pleasantly surprised with their performance on distorted guitar cabs. pretty sure i want another, but definitely curious about that other mic they make now! will be my first choice for distorted guitars for sure, going forward. PS anyone wanna buy one of my M160s? Wait, do you not have a use for those M160's? I've only ever had access to one where I've recorded, so I haven't been able to try, but I always wondered how they would sound on sources like overheads.
On a related topic - funny enough there was an Royer R121 at my college that had an issue with Neutrik connectors as well. I remember seeing one of our instructors going at it with what looked like a butter knife...
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Post by phdamage on Jul 19, 2021 21:44:11 GMT -6
I literally did list (and sell, sorry!) one of my m160s. Happy to keep one for guitar cab duty sometimes. just haven’t loved it for overheads and I think I would rather have something else. Unsure if another stager 2N would be it - I might want another flavor, and I don’t see myself using the stagers for overheads. If I go for ribbons, I think I’d prefer something darker
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Post by enlav on Jul 20, 2021 8:40:49 GMT -6
All good! I was actually more surprised you were parting with them as opposed to interested in buying (at the moment anyways), since I remember them being pretty cool on what I did have a chance to use them on.
I'd be curious to hear how the Coles 4038 sounds in person compared to the 2N. I'd always assumed the 2N for me was another "character" or "flavor" mic for sources as opposed to being used in stereo duties, but if the two are within the ball park, I wouldn't mind getting a second Stager and pretending to forget the Coles exist.
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Post by phdamage on Jul 20, 2021 8:58:43 GMT -6
yeah, I've wanted a Coles 4038 forever. I think that might be the next buy
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Post by robschnapf on Jul 20, 2021 13:02:55 GMT -6
I have 4038s and the SR3n. I hardly ever use the Coles anymore.
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Post by robschnapf on Jul 20, 2021 13:04:29 GMT -6
I have 4038s and the SR3n. I hardly ever use the Coles anymore.
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Post by robschnapf on Jul 20, 2021 13:05:20 GMT -6
That post was so good it had to happen twice. Oops
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Post by ciscokid on Jul 20, 2021 14:26:54 GMT -6
SR3 is a special mic. I finally got around to getting a 2nd one recently.
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Post by phdamage on Jul 20, 2021 14:38:29 GMT -6
ooh. interesting, esp as the Coles seem backordered all over the place.
just had a look. i didn't realize the SR3 is now the same price as the SR1. I thought it was like $1300. maybe i'll wait until i geet another guitar center coupon.
though i'm considering my next purchase to be a Serrano 87 or an Audio Scape 1176 (version A or D)
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Post by notneeson on Jul 20, 2021 14:50:01 GMT -6
I recently mixed a record with Coles on OHs, and was underwhelmed. I mean it came out great, but I thought the drum sounds started out just OK. Maybe it was that particular room or placement that I didn't love.
I remember tracking somewhere with a 4038 on guitar in the late 90s and the engineer insisted on keeping a plastic bag over the mic.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 20, 2021 14:55:40 GMT -6
I recently mixed a record with Coles on OHs, and was underwhelmed. I mean it came out great, but I thought the drum sounds started out just OK. Maybe it was that particular room or placement that I didn't love. I remember tracking somewhere with a 4038 on guitar in the late 90s and the engineer insisted on keeping a plastic bag over the mic. The plastic bag is hilarious. I feel like if the tonal balance of all other bits doesn't match, something like Coles can seem really dull. If it's all in the same sonic world, may be awesome. I had the RCA 44-BX and BK-11A up listening to my own voice....they both sound broken. But they sound right in use! They just don't sound like a 'regular microphone' on my own voice to my own ears, and I'm not one to ever listen to my own voice either.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 20, 2021 15:11:53 GMT -6
I recently mixed a record with Coles on OHs, and was underwhelmed. I mean it came out great, but I thought the drum sounds started out just OK. Maybe it was that particular room or placement that I didn't love. I remember tracking somewhere with a 4038 on guitar in the late 90s and the engineer insisted on keeping a plastic bag over the mic. The plastic bag is hilarious. I feel like if the tonal balance of all other bits doesn't match, something like Coles can seem really dull. If it's all in the same sonic world, may be awesome. I had the RCA 44-BX and BK-11A up listening to my own voice....they both sound broken. But they sound right in use! They just don't sound like a 'regular microphone' on my own voice to my own ears, and I'm not one to ever listen to my own voice either. That makes sense! Funny enough we had a 44 on mono OH, and that I did like. Of course, I haven't heard it on my own monitors yet, so there's that. PS, Doug I thought of you this weekend, we were using the RCA console at Panoramic as a glorified overdrive pedal on bass. Kind of amusing.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 21, 2021 7:53:31 GMT -6
PS, Doug I thought of you this weekend, we were using the RCA console at Panoramic as a glorified overdrive pedal on bass. Kind of amusing. Oh brother Where's the eye-roll emoji?
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Post by enlav on Jul 21, 2021 8:19:58 GMT -6
just had a look. i didn't realize the SR3 is now the same price as the SR1. I thought it was like $1300. maybe i'll wait until i geet another guitar center coupon. Wow, Guitar Center is carrying Stager now? They also started stocking Vanguard mics sometime ago.
But you do have to be careful, the knuckleheads setting up pricing often have things off; it looks like their SR3 is $1499.99 on their site but on VK, it's 1349.99.
(I never shop without that 20% off coupon from there.)
I have 4038s and the SR3n. I hardly ever use the Coles anymore. Interesting - mind elaborating what stands out or seems to sound/perform better?
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Post by robschnapf on Jul 21, 2021 12:25:24 GMT -6
Mind you the Coles stil sound great. I’m not disparaging them. It’s a classic sound. I find for the me the SR3a is less work. More extended top end. Not hyped just go out further before they die. So flatter longer…..
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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2021 9:47:19 GMT -6
I recently mixed a record with Coles on OHs, and was underwhelmed. I mean it came out great, but I thought the drum sounds started out just OK. Maybe it was that particular room or placement that I didn't love. I remember tracking somewhere with a 4038 on guitar in the late 90s and the engineer insisted on keeping a plastic bag over the mic. Plastic bag? Were they all out of paper? Seriously, that's one of the most preposterous things I've ever heard. Thanks for the eye roll! LOL
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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2021 9:49:53 GMT -6
Mind you the Coles stil sound great. I’m not disparaging them. It’s a classic sound. I find for the me the SR3a is less work. More extended top end. Not hyped just go out further before they die. So flatter longer….. Based on this assessment, I would love to hear a comparison being the Stager 2N and the Samar VL37
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Post by orphic on Feb 26, 2022 8:55:54 GMT -6
Also, just bought the cheaper stager. Will report back on my findings And your findings are... ? EDIT: Sorry, new to the forums. Somehow I didn't see there was a second page to this thread. Nevermind!!
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Post by robertg on Feb 26, 2022 10:50:11 GMT -6
I love the Stager SR2N on tenor sax, *no politics*et, bass cab and hollow body jazz guitar. A 121 would be fine for those but if you are looking for big, warm and slightly vintage, I would suggest the Stager. Great mic!!
interesting, I listed a type of horn that pairs well with the SR-2N and this site thought I was referring to a former recent president. I wonder if it will also automatically edit this edit.
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