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Post by drumsound on Jun 2, 2020 0:54:17 GMT -6
I think the prototype was used on Weezer’s “Hash Pipe”😁 I think the child that fingerpainted that panel was on the hash pipe.  That is possible the ugliest and stupidest looking piece of gear I've ever seen. I thought this was an overstatement, until I clicked on the image link. Right. I'm often hyperbolic, but gahtdam that thing is freaking hideous. That is possible the ugliest and stupidest looking piece of gear I've ever seen.
If we could still rate members here, I'd give you all the stars I possibly could!
Looks alone will prevent that unit from EVER finding it's way into my studio or work elsewhere. I don't care how it might sound. Any client would see that and immediately think "amateur hour". Thank You. *bows* The thing would make us look like fools to out clients in SEVERAL ways. First it looks like a kid colored it in the dark. THEN when we wanted to execute something (especially if it were a client request) and we had no clue how to achieve it it would just get worse. I appreciate the veer of it. He did get everyone's attention, for better of worse! You guys are failing one test: the idea that's been sold to us by Madison Ave that things MUST LOOK MANUFACTURED. STORE BOUGHT IS BETTER. WHY WOULD I PAY FOR A PAINTING WHEN I CAN TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH. HOW DARE THERE BE NO PERFECT RIGHT ANGLES ON LEVEL. All the things that keep the little guy down in favor of big industry. It's how they got us to buy factory made bowls rather than patronize the local potter. etc etc ad nauseam. It's a cultural problem. I'm sure he'll make anyone a standard silk-screened or engraved panel if desired. I dislike the 'Terry'. That'd probably be better served another way. Maybe the one place a manufactured badge would make a big difference. Nothing about it says "amateur hour", not until it's driven and it fails to perform. I haven't met many clients who would know the difference anyway. In fact, many would be attracted to its difference. It is how it SOUNDS, right? It does have all the NECESSARY useful and not misleading info required for operation. 30Hz on a Pultec tells you NOTHING. But wait, it does fail one other recent demand around here: it's more than 2RU high. Gear shouldn't confuse the end user, or get in their way. Its an EQ with zero quidelines. How'd you like a car with terrible labling for controls. Or a remote with now numbers, legend or obvious power button? How about a phone with a bunch of app icons, but no idea what they meant? User interface is an important part of design. There's a ton of information that needs to be conveyed to a user.. hopefully intuitively, quickly, without confusion. I look at that thing and I have no idea what it does or how to use it. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 2, 2020 7:23:51 GMT -6
At least you could see all the pencil marks you would need for recall against the white background 🤔
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Post by EmRR on Jun 2, 2020 9:04:25 GMT -6
Gear shouldn't confuse the end user, or get in their way. Its an EQ with zero quidelines. Again, the PULTEC!!!!! I know, it gets old. But it's the same really, turn the knobs till it sounds good. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 2, 2020 9:35:42 GMT -6
A Pultec has labels though. I don't understand the comparison...?
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Post by m03 on Jun 2, 2020 9:55:28 GMT -6
A Pultec has labels though. I don't understand the comparison...? I think he's implying that the frequency values printed on the classic EQP-1A faceplate don't correspond to a modern understanding of the frequency points that they affect, as well as a lack of shelf vs bell labeling on each section. I'd argue that they still give you a far better idea of what they apply to than the linked monstrosity. |
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Post by christopher on Jun 2, 2020 9:57:00 GMT -6
he explains it pretty well here and the idea behind the looks.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2020 9:59:04 GMT -6
The illegible Lindells I sold were "pultecs" also and they were not easy or fun to use.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 10:00:46 GMT -6
I get "using your ears" in terms of moving a dial and just listening rather than relying on the visual. I think that's a huge drawback, especially with plugins that have fancy graphics, meters, graphs for the EQ curves, etc. Listening with your eyes and all that. Ignoring meters on compression is something I have a very hard time with, but it's a good exercise... stuff like that.
But I definitely want to know what everything does, if not just initially. I want to quickly look at a thing, and reach for the right knob rather than move a knob only to realize it's the wrong one and then have to do the mental gymnastics to back pedal.
Take my Daking EQ's for instance... I know exactly how many clicks it takes to get to x-frequency, but it's because they are marked in the first place so I have the confidence to blindly shift things and just listen. Memorization.
This thing is a nightmare, far as that goes.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 2, 2020 10:39:41 GMT -6
A Pultec has labels though. I don't understand the comparison...? I think he's implying that the frequency values printed on the classic EQP-1A faceplate don't correspond to a modern understanding of the frequency points that they affect. I'd argue that they still give you a far better idea of what they apply to than the linked monstrosity. A Pultec doesn't have labels that tell you much of anything. If you've never seen one: The physical layout spacing is terrible, there's no clear sectional grouping. It's not obvious the bottom Boost and Atten are the same frequency selector, it's a bit implied but nothing else in the universe does that, so it's not an assumption you would make. Yeah, the frequencies on the bottom are misleading to a modern mindset, meaning the last 40 years, minimum. It'd be better unlabeled. The top Boost and Atten are laid out the same way! The Atten select gives a clue once you double take the unit a few times, yet still leaves questions. The bandwidth is in-between the sets! Which does it go with? The Boost and Atten controls do very very little until turned most of the way. There's nothing resembling a linear mental relationship with the knob movement. A lot of the lower motion, based on knob position, is placebo effect. Boost and Atten both turn the same direction?! Up/Down should be up down. Atten? Really? In every modern reproduction? Everyone says 'Cut', last I noticed, but that one's a tangent. If this MONSTROSITY appeared as a new device today, it would get the same collective WTF, not for it's cosmetics, but for it's layout and labeling. Now to the Terry: To my view has none of the informational problems above. OK, we don't know about the knob throw and direction, could be THE SAME, NO WORSE. Easily seen in the typical dark control room, rack position, etc. High cut and Low cut shouldn't use the HPF LPF signs since they are shelves. Otherwise the controls are pretty clearly LABELED. If it offends the eye, that's stylistic and cultural mental training. The layout follows typical symmetrical styling, which some like and some hate. Lows to highs are low to high. The circuit description is pretty interesting, lots about listening to different topologies and part types within those topologies. Right or wrong, a lot of thought into the design. That should trump the rest, really. It's clearly a color beast, and IT LOOKS THAT WAY. I just put it together that Terry bought a custom compressor clone from me, which I was brokering for the designer. Within 6 months he let us know he'd essentially gutted it and turned it into a different circuit. Perplexing he'd not started from scratch with such a project, after spending real money. Maybe we started him down this road...... |
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Post by m03 on Jun 2, 2020 10:55:29 GMT -6
If this MONSTROSITY appeared as a new device today, it would get the same collective WTF, not for it's cosmetics, but for it's layout and labeling. If it came out today it would likely be labeled more effectively and the controls would make more sense. They continue to be styled like the old ones because of branding and nostalgia. It can simultaneously be true that classic Pultec labeling is hot garbage and the Terry CEQ labeling is a glowing plutonium dumpster fire. If given the choice of controls for any device that kinda-sorta-roughly represent what they claim to and no labeling at all, I'll gladly take the former every time. No matter whether it's an audio device or the windshield wiper stalk on a car. |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2020 11:02:24 GMT -6
I keep staring at this darn thing and I still can't figure it out. Either I'm a moron (possible) or this is a horrible labeling system.
The complete lack of english letters and/or words, and complete lack of numbers is baffling to me. It's outrageous.
Even a Pultec has English, and numbers on it.
This is some sort of bizarre symbology that no group of people would generally understand at first look. Or even after a few times like sloweye said.
Maybe Terry is an alien from another planet.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 2, 2020 11:09:51 GMT -6
If you're colorblind, it's a bad scene with this one. It fails the Americans With Disabilities test.
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Post by christopher on Jun 2, 2020 11:22:29 GMT -6
Seems like one knob selects frequency, knob next to it selects how muchy. I figure it’s for serious mastering dudes who will only use the same EQ over and over all day every day. Probably as hard as learning to shift a big rig. Will be interesting how this plays out on the used market. Seems like a lifelong commitment.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2020 11:22:45 GMT -6
OK I figured it out, this is a Genius level IQ test. Only genius level people can understand the labeling on this Terry. Terry is a Genius.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 2, 2020 11:24:33 GMT -6
Wow
You should see a mid 60’s CBS console EQ and try to guess what it does. It’s easy, 4 knobs, nicely engraved with position numbers.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 2, 2020 11:24:55 GMT -6
OK I figured it out, this is a Genius level IQ test. Only genius level people can understand the labeling on this Terry. Terry is a Genius. I mean... I understood it right away. 😁 |
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Post by Ward on Jun 2, 2020 11:25:44 GMT -6
OK I figured it out, this is a Genius level IQ test. Only genius level people can understand the labeling on this Terry. Terry is a Genius. |
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Post by Darren Boling on Jun 2, 2020 11:28:18 GMT -6
It took me a bit of staring at the recall sheet while watching the demo (which again I think sounds amazing!) and it started to become very clear, I'm guessing having it in front of me will make it even more so. Looking like I'll possibly get my hands on one in July so I'll know more then. Here's the demo link if anyone didn't click through.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 2, 2020 11:40:04 GMT -6
Transform that to a standard printed/engraved panel, and tell me you can’t figure it out. I’m having a hard time believing it. It’s grouped, it’s color coded, it uses standard visual symbols. It’s not DISHONEST through numerical labelings rounded to convenient frequency labels that are simple approximations, some or all of which may bend in relation to what the neighbors are doing. In that manner it FREES one from false declarations.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2020 11:41:21 GMT -6
The one in the video has even fewer symbols on it. He did, however, add roman numerals. Hey, another fun attribute: Inconsistency!
I am fully open to the possibility that I am, in fact, a big dumb idiot.
But I still think this thing sucks.
This is one of those Yanni or Laurel things.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 2, 2020 14:05:51 GMT -6
Gear shouldn't confuse the end user, or get in their way. Its an EQ with zero quidelines. Again, the PULTEC!!!!! I know, it gets old. But it's the same really, turn the knobs till it sounds good. There are WORDS that make sense to an audio person on a Pultec. I don't think they are super clear of intuative, but they are also simpler units. (I think) The Terry is more of a modern fully parametric, multi band stereo unit. Probably... A Pultec has labels though. I don't understand the comparison...? yep I keep staring at this darn thing and I still can't figure it out. Either I'm a moron (possible) or this is a horrible labeling system. The complete lack of english letters and/or words, and complete lack of numbers is baffling to me. It's outrageous. Even a Pultec has English, and numbers on it. This is some sort of bizarre symbology that no group of people would generally understand at first look. Or even after a few times like sloweye said. Maybe Terry is an alien from another planet. Yeah, the Pultec and least pushes you in a the direction of what to move for different things. The one in the video has even fewer symbols on it. He did, however, add roman numerals. Hey, another fun attribute: Inconsistency! I am fully open to the possibility that I am, in fact, a big dumb idiot. But I still think this thing sucks.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 2, 2020 14:06:53 GMT -6
Also, I'm not bothering with the video, because for that kind of money, I'm buying a piece of gear that isn't gonna piss me off every time I look at my rack. The things is a complete non-starter for me.
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 2, 2020 14:46:08 GMT -6
Workflow is an important consideration with all gear...anything that takes me out of the "feel", or makes me momentarily loose inspiration is a no go. To that end this face plate is infuriating...I shouldn't have to translate hieroglyphs when using a piece of gear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 14:58:27 GMT -6
I had to figure out what everything really did on a pultec both perceptually and frequency wise to bring my head around it. It has a perverse logic to it. It took me a few hours. I’ve used a lot of gear like that. Fuck most the gear and plugs on my current album is like that. I like that a lot of the pultec changes are incredibly subtle. It’s just part of the box and I like that for coloring individual tracks. It’s a 5k color box that’s mostly not worth 5k in today’s business but that tube flavor is nice and I’m sure the Pulse ones kick the shit out of all the cheaped out clones. The KT ones are surely going to be worse than plugins. Tube gear can’t be skimped out. By all means the Apogee and Ignite plugs are decent for that subtle color but the real thing is a real thing. Sure I can get a better tube line stage but whatever. The pultecs are simple to use once learned and set it and forget it on a lot of instruments and mixes. It solves problems and can make things better. Same with the Dangerous Bax EQ and clones of it. Simple and Solves problems.
But This Terry thing doesn’t have the frequencies labeled. There’s not even any labeling of the notches. It would fuck with my workflow. The version with unindented pots is going to be totally unusable. How the fuck can I scan the problem regions for resonances? I can hear something is wrong and want to sweep a certain region. I’ve used a ton of different eqs in studios and various plugs at home. It needs to have some logic. I might think x project is gonna use mainly channel strip y with z for the secondary eq if needed. Anything unlabeled and unnotched is going to just waste my time. That’s also the problem with shit like the stock reaper plugs. Who the hell designed those guis? I thought fab filter was bad. ReaEQ is for guys visually mixing with their eyes. The notched version of this Terry thing is going to be counting clicks and the unnotched version just wasting my time trying to eq out some resonance from some hesher’s shitty cab he uses to play live four times a year or add some weight and smoothness without wrecking his “tone”
Maybe this can do the job but that hesher might think you’re some acid casualty hippie with that kindergarten art class panel. They’re gonna think you’re Bob Ross and not some guy they can pay a few hundred to few thousand dollars to who will solve their problems for them. A lot of casework is for flexing. I don’t like having to explain stuff. I’m not going to buy Focusrite gear in 2020 because it’s not that great and I don’t want to have to explain and prove that the expensive overpriced Chinese ones are like 5/10 and not 0/10 gear like the Scarlet 2i2 to some guitarists. Meanwhile the aluminum case work on the older UK stuff does all the talking for you like the Lavry Gold. This Terry thing better be actually great. I mean it has to be a better tool and sound better things that look better than it that are also very expensive.
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Post by subspace on Jun 2, 2020 17:14:47 GMT -6
It took me a bit of staring at the recall sheet while watching the demo (which again I think sounds amazing!) and it started to become very clear, I'm guessing having it in front of me will make it even more so. Looking like I'll possibly get my hands on one in July so I'll know more then. Here's the demo link if anyone didn't click through. Oh wait, does he make shirts too? Just spray the thing flat black, buy a Dymo label maker and raise the price $500 to cover the "authentic vintage recreation cost" |
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