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Post by jacobamerritt on Jun 23, 2020 14:34:24 GMT -6
Well I was just informed today by my guys at Vintage King that these units are coming out of the factory in Wuhan. So.......... we all know I’m not getting this anytime soon. Just FYI, its been proven its impossible for something shipped from China to still have active coronavirus, it simply can't survive that long of a shipping time. More likely to get it from the mailman or an Amazon drop off.
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Post by forgotteng on Jun 23, 2020 14:42:55 GMT -6
I assure you I’m not concerned about getting corona virus.
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Post by Ward on Jun 23, 2020 21:15:48 GMT -6
Since nobody has posted this yet . . .
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 24, 2020 5:31:52 GMT -6
I assure you I’m not concerned about getting corona virus.
Even if its on the unit, the virus can suvive ø 4h on surfaces - if at all....
As far as I know the trip from Large-China to Large-USA is longer than 4 h.
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Post by soundintheround on Jun 24, 2020 6:59:02 GMT -6
I found the UAD plugins for CE-1 and Dimension D pretty spot on! Not sure I would be interested in this....
1. It’s Behringer (Build quality/parts are terrible) but 2. There no real tactile advantage of getting the hardware (It’s just buttons), and I probably wouldn’t use it for tracking.
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Post by soundintheround on Jun 24, 2020 7:02:24 GMT -6
And I guess 3. I already have a Roland SBF-325 that does chorus. If anything I’d be getting an original. Worth the extra bucks IMO.
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 24, 2020 9:40:31 GMT -6
And I guess 3. I already have a Roland SBF-325 that does chorus. If anything I’d be getting an original. Worth the extra bucks IMO. To your points, the Klark Teknik gear has proven to be solid and well made and not the typical Behringer quality. (love my KT2A) The BBD is not just a chorus—it’s a different animal. Lastly, sure we’d all love to own the original Roland unit but I for one don’t think it’s worth the extra bucks, especially if the KT unit knocks down its resale value. The whole thrust of this is to buy something that’s affordable to most of us.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Jun 24, 2020 11:38:01 GMT -6
I found the UAD plugins for CE-1 and Dimension D pretty spot on! Not sure I would be interested in this.... 1. It’s Behringer (Build quality/parts are terrible) but 2. There no real tactile advantage of getting the hardware (It’s just buttons), and I probably wouldn’t use it for tracking. As lpedrum stated, the build quality is not bad at all on the KT stuff. Ive had 4 of their new units, and sold of some other comparable units that were way more money, for worse quality.
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Post by soundintheround on Jun 24, 2020 18:28:43 GMT -6
I guess I look for gear with a bit higher quality parts inside, something that will last a lifetime, and I can throw on the bench and fix it/service it if I need to. Not looking for gear which reminds me of the inside of my flat screen TV.... Lol
But I hear ya! I think your right it is a little better quality than typical Behringer. Thankfully.
As for clones hurting re-sale value....usually I see it actually does the opposite. People realize it isn’t sounding exactly like the original, and after about a year the price goes up.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Jun 24, 2020 20:32:01 GMT -6
I guess I look for gear with a bit higher quality parts inside, something that will last a lifetime, and I can throw on the bench and fix it/service it if I need to. Not looking for gear which reminds me of the inside of my flat screen TV.... Lol But I hear ya! I think your right it is a little better quality than typical Behringer. Thankfully. As for clones hurting re-sale value....usually I see it actually does the opposite. People realize it isn’t sounding exactly like the original, and after about a year the price goes up. Yeah... but something that lasts a lifetime isn't coming in at this price point. They do include a 10 year warranty though, so they must feel pretty good about the new QC. I definitely know what you mean though! For me they aren't 'heirloom' pieces, but decent workhorses, or a different flavor. Basically for the price of a UAD plugin. Maybe they'll stick around, or I figure these are at least fun to try for a couple years. So far my Manley, Langevin, Iron Age, Weight Tank (Locomotive), JDK, Vintech are the keepers for life.
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Post by delcampo on Jun 25, 2020 19:56:25 GMT -6
I'll be curious if after this is out it looks like certain sonic related components could be upgraded using the original dimension d schematic as a road map. Inevitably the corners cut to get it at that price point will matter, to a debatable degree. Not sure how much it's relevant but I've heard there are some difficult, or impossible to find Panasonic chips in the original? EmRR ?
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Post by donr on Jun 25, 2020 20:36:21 GMT -6
I found the UAD plugins for CE-1 and Dimension D pretty spot on! Not sure I would be interested in this.... 1. It’s Behringer (Build quality/parts are terrible) but 2. There no real tactile advantage of getting the hardware (It’s just buttons), and I probably wouldn’t use it for tracking. I'd agree with the quality of the plugins. Rack space is at a premium in my home studio. The CE-1 and Dimension D do distinct tricks, but the plugins are close enough for a mix. I've got a CE-1 pedal but I still use the UAD version to mix.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 26, 2020 8:47:14 GMT -6
I'll be curious if after this is out it looks like certain sonic related components could be upgraded using the original dimension d schematic as a road map. Inevitably the corners cut to get it at that price point will matter, to a debatable degree. Not sure how much it's relevant but I've heard there are some difficult, or impossible to find Panasonic chips in the original? EmRR ? Dunno, but I'd expect there to be too many physical layout differences in parts selection for it to be a reasonable pursuit.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 26, 2020 13:23:27 GMT -6
I found the UAD plugins for CE-1 and Dimension D pretty spot on! Not sure I would be interested in this.... 1. It’s Behringer (Build quality/parts are terrible) but 2. There no real tactile advantage of getting the hardware (It’s just buttons), and I probably wouldn’t use it for tracking.
I think the bad Behringer parts thing is over. I was surprissed a lot when I got my KT76. And I will buy a second one too.
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Post by sirthought on Jul 6, 2020 16:24:58 GMT -6
Behold
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Post by ericn on Jul 6, 2020 17:28:23 GMT -6
It exists it really exists!
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 6, 2020 18:41:15 GMT -6
Sounds pretty rad! I might need to get one..
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Post by drbill on Jul 6, 2020 22:40:43 GMT -6
Sounds like the 80's to me...
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Post by christopher on Jul 6, 2020 23:00:49 GMT -6
That Juno sample is ready for a Stranger Things soundtrack.. pretty great.
I didn’t read the whole thread.. Did they start making BBD chips again? sorry, if it’s been mentioned.. last I heard years ago they were next to impossible to get for DIY delays etc
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Post by mhbunch on Jul 7, 2020 0:06:30 GMT -6
sounds just like I hoped - can't wait to get ours
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Post by chessparov on Jul 7, 2020 1:00:09 GMT -6
Sounds like the 80's to me... Or that Byrds Album. Chris
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Post by cyrano on Jul 7, 2020 1:45:37 GMT -6
That Juno sample is ready for a Stranger Things soundtrack.. pretty great. I didn’t read the whole thread.. Did they start making BBD chips again? sorry, if it’s been mentioned.. last I heard years ago they were next to impossible to get for DIY delays etc Some are impossible to find if you need an exact one, for repair. So some folk started ripping them from lesser gear. It's possible Behringer is making their own. They have a chip fab and are producing VCA's, amongst other stuff. BBDs aren't really "HiFi" anyways, but I suppose some will say the original sounds better :-)
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2020 5:20:31 GMT -6
I'll be curious if after this is out it looks like certain sonic related components could be upgraded using the original dimension d schematic as a road map. Inevitably the corners cut to get it at that price point will matter, to a debatable degree. Not sure how much it's relevant but I've heard there are some difficult, or impossible to find Panasonic chips in the original? EmRR ? Having recently done some looking into on the similar Panasonic MN3005/MN3008 chips used in Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man pedals, EH is now using some Chinese XVIVE clones of these old BBD chips in the last five years or so. Panasonic stopped making the MN3xxx chips some time ago, and the remaining NOS stock dried up a few years ago, apparently. I've read that Roland used similar MN3xxx chips in the Dimension D. Based on the recent release of the Boss Waza Dimension C/D clone pedal and now the release of this new KT unit, my guess is that the development of these new XVIVE chips in the last few years has facilitated the cloning of these old products, with more to likely come.
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Post by timcampbell on Jul 7, 2020 8:32:28 GMT -6
Yes it seems like there are more bucket brigade pedals coming out.
I thought this unit sounds very good, like our old Roland. I can't remember mixing many backgroung vocals without it.
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Post by sirthought on Jul 7, 2020 10:13:01 GMT -6
Well Xvive had announced their Echoman pedal in a mini format years ago, claiming the closest sound to the Memory Man. And then they just never released it for like two years. I'm guessing now they were paid enough for chips from EHX and Boss to make it worth their while to wait.
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