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Post by seawell on Jan 3, 2020 6:28:48 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 3, 2020 9:31:13 GMT -6
Looks interesting but surely a 2u chassis for this was not needed.
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Post by ragan on Jan 3, 2020 9:53:36 GMT -6
Whoa.
I miss the UAD plug like crazy. Thing is it was always on a parallel aux, which is much harder to incorporate using hardware in a DAW. Hmmm...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 3, 2020 9:53:44 GMT -6
Couldn't find pricing for this.
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Post by jamiesego on Jan 3, 2020 10:10:41 GMT -6
I would definitely be interested in trying it. I haven’t used the Dimension D plugin but I do like Soundtoys Microshift quite a bit.
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Post by drbill on Jan 3, 2020 10:25:24 GMT -6
Um.....YEAH!!! I wanna hear this.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 3, 2020 10:33:44 GMT -6
Whoa. I miss the UAD plug like crazy. Thing is it was always on a parallel aux, which is much harder to incorporate using hardware in a DAW. Hmmm... how so? Just setup an aux track with a hardware insert that goes to this unit. The input of the Aux track is just a Bus. Put that input on any channel send and there you go.
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Post by ragan on Jan 3, 2020 10:37:53 GMT -6
Whoa. I miss the UAD plug like crazy. Thing is it was always on a parallel aux, which is much harder to incorporate using hardware in a DAW. Hmmm... how so? Just setup an aux track with a hardware insert that goes to this unit. The input of the Aux track is just a Bus. Put that input on any channel send and there you go. I understand how an aux works. It's the delay compensation when running parallel HW inserts that gets janky. In Pro Tools native anyway.
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Post by ragan on Jan 3, 2020 10:38:20 GMT -6
Anyone seen a price?
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 3, 2020 10:42:57 GMT -6
how so? Just setup an aux track with a hardware insert that goes to this unit. The input of the Aux track is just a Bus. Put that input on any channel send and there you go. I understand how an aux works. It's the delay compensation when running parallel HW inserts that gets janky. In Pro Tools native anyway. have you tried not using it(or anything) as just a direct output and then bring it back in on a separate channel? As in not using it as a hardware insert? So an aux channel out and an Audio channel(so you can print the effect when done) back in. Some times that works better.
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Post by ragan on Jan 3, 2020 10:49:45 GMT -6
I understand how an aux works. It's the delay compensation when running parallel HW inserts that gets janky. In Pro Tools native anyway. have you tried not using it(or anything) as just a direct output and then bring it back in on a separate channel? As in not using it as a hardware insert? So an aux channel out and an Audio channel(so you can print the effect when done) back in. Some times that works better. I have in the past but it's been dramatically off because the input side doesn't even try to compensate (because it doesn't have any reason to think that signal would be delayed by DSP induced latency or DAW buffer). So instead of not quite right delay compensation you have no delay compensation. Does it work differently for you? What DAW?
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Post by ericn on Jan 3, 2020 11:05:46 GMT -6
It looks like somebody combined my first Tascam spring reverb with an old Roland delay, not sure if I love it or hate it! For some reason I picture the PCB from some Behringer pedal in side.
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Post by drbill on Jan 3, 2020 11:25:04 GMT -6
I understand how an aux works. It's the delay compensation when running parallel HW inserts that gets janky. In Pro Tools native anyway. have you tried not using it(or anything) as just a direct output and then bring it back in on a separate channel? As in not using it as a hardware insert? So an aux channel out and an Audio channel(so you can print the effect when done) back in. Some times that works better. My experience with PT HD/HDX is that that works worse - compensation wise. The best way is as you initially mentioned. Insert on an Aux return, send signal to it via an aux send on desired channel. Works perfectly here, but again, this is not intersample accurate. Nothing can be. Physics and all. Some hear it, some don't. Also seems signal dependent on whether or not it's "OK" with you. Higher sample rates leave inter-sample latency less.
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Post by ragan on Jan 3, 2020 12:15:29 GMT -6
have you tried not using it(or anything) as just a direct output and then bring it back in on a separate channel? As in not using it as a hardware insert? So an aux channel out and an Audio channel(so you can print the effect when done) back in. Some times that works better. My experience with PT HD/HDX is that that works worse - compensation wise. The best way is as you initially mentioned. Insert on an Aux return, send signal to it via an aux send on desired channel. Works perfectly here, but again, this is not intersample accurate. Nothing can be. Physics and all. Some hear it, some don't. Also seems signal dependent on whether or not it's "OK" with you. Higher sample rates leave inter-sample latency less. And PT native doesn't even ping your interface to figure out latency (the way every other DAW does). You have to manually calculate it using a transient and converting from samples to ms and then enter it into your I/O settings. And then if you change sample rate or buffer size you have to do it again. It's f*%$ing insanity. Every other DAW just does it for you (because it's so trivial for the DAW to handle it). One of those things where Avid just nakedly hamstrings PT to try and extract some cash from you. I've wondered if any of the newer versions of PT have corrected this? I don't see it discussed much. I'm on PT 2018.
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Post by drbill on Jan 3, 2020 12:18:09 GMT -6
What's the reason not to go to HDX? Money? If so, I get it, but the benefits so far outweigh the money it's (IMO) silly not to go full HDX if you can.
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Post by WKG on Jan 3, 2020 12:18:32 GMT -6
It looks like somebody combined my first Tascam spring reverb with an old Roland delay, not sure if I love it or hate it! For some reason I picture the PCB from some Behringer pedal in side. That's great! I was actually thinking they could probably stuff it into a pedal and save the cost of the 2 space box...
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Post by ragan on Jan 3, 2020 12:25:00 GMT -6
What's the reason not to go to HDX? Money? If so, I get it, but the benefits so far outweigh the money it's (IMO) silly not to go full HDX if you can. Yeah, mainly money. It's like 8x as expensive or something. Totally silly for a dude who makes music by himself. Plus I'd have to change up my interface situation and I'm unwilling to ditch the Symphony. But beyond that, I'm not gonna reward Avid for shitty business practices. "Oh hey there, Native PT guy, glad you like our product, really appreciate your years of patronage. But check this out...if you give us $800 more every year...you'll get...A SOLO BUTTON!!!"
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Post by drbill on Jan 3, 2020 12:31:18 GMT -6
OK. Whatever works for you. I'm not paying $800 a year for anything. And HDX is a lot more than a solo button. But again, whatever works (or doesn't) for you. The rest of PT is so great for me, that I'm unwilling to switch to any of the other DAW's. Whatever the cost is (within reason, and I think it's within reason), it's worth it to me.
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Post by lpedrum on Jan 3, 2020 12:50:55 GMT -6
It's kinda sad that Roland often doesn't have any interest in reissuing their legacy products--calls it "chasing ghosts." It just leaves the door wide open for companies like KT. The new Boss Dimension C pedal supposedly has all of the Dimension D settings, but in a stereo guitar pedal format of course.
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Post by ragan on Jan 3, 2020 12:52:52 GMT -6
OK. Whatever works for you. I'm not paying $800 a year for anything. And HDX is a lot more than a solo button. But again, whatever works (or doesn't) for you. The rest of PT is so great for me, that I'm unwilling to switch to any of the other DAW's. Whatever the cost is (within reason, and I think it's within reason), it's worth it to me. What’s your yearly HDX rental fee now that they’ve pushed everyone to subscription? I think my buddy’s HDX dues are about $800. Re: solo button I just mean that I’d be paying a significant amount of money to have PT include something incredibly basic (handling delay compensation).
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Post by lpedrum on Jan 3, 2020 12:54:04 GMT -6
It looks like somebody combined my first Tascam spring reverb with an old Roland delay, not sure if I love it or hate it! For some reason I picture the PCB from some Behringer pedal in side. That's great! I was actually thinking they could probably stuff it into a pedal and save the cost of the 2 space box... They have...Its the WAZA Boss Dimension C.
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Post by lpedrum on Jan 3, 2020 12:58:13 GMT -6
Looks interesting but surely a 2u chassis for this was not needed. Klark Teknik is going for the exact retro look on these vintage reissues--and this box nails it.
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Post by lpedrum on Jan 3, 2020 13:00:27 GMT -6
OK. Whatever works for you. I'm not paying $800 a year for anything. And HDX is a lot more than a solo button. But again, whatever works (or doesn't) for you. The rest of PT is so great for me, that I'm unwilling to switch to any of the other DAW's. Whatever the cost is (within reason, and I think it's within reason), it's worth it to me. What’s your yearly HDX rental fee now that they’ve pushed everyone to subscription? I think my buddy’s HDX dues are about $800. Re: solo button I just mean that I’d be paying a significant amount of money to have PT include something incredibly basic (handling delay compensation). No better way to kill the excitement of a new product thread than by talking about Pro Tools subscriptions!
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Post by ragan on Jan 3, 2020 13:12:02 GMT -6
What’s your yearly HDX rental fee now that they’ve pushed everyone to subscription? I think my buddy’s HDX dues are about $800. Re: solo button I just mean that I’d be paying a significant amount of money to have PT include something incredibly basic (handling delay compensation). No better way to kill the excitement of a new product thread than by talking about Pro Tools subscriptions! Good point. I shall cease. Might grab one of these KT Dim D’s. Love that sound.
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Post by drbill on Jan 3, 2020 13:46:27 GMT -6
OK. Whatever works for you. I'm not paying $800 a year for anything. And HDX is a lot more than a solo button. But again, whatever works (or doesn't) for you. The rest of PT is so great for me, that I'm unwilling to switch to any of the other DAW's. Whatever the cost is (within reason, and I think it's within reason), it's worth it to me. What’s your yearly HDX rental fee now that they’ve pushed everyone to subscription? I think my buddy’s HDX dues are about $800. Re: solo button I just mean that I’d be paying a significant amount of money to have PT include something incredibly basic (handling delay compensation). HDX is more than just delay comp. It's a powerful system that takes a lot of the load off your comp, but I do get your point. I don't do the subscription. I don't like upgrading my OS or PT version every time there's a minuscule change. I wait it out and upgrade all at once. Usually every 3 years or so. I just bought a new PT Ultimate HDX subscription when I upgraded my drives, vid card and OS. I think it was around $700 or so for the new license, but I'm going to sell my old license, and I'll net back a few hundred. My Mac / PT guy handles all that stuff for me. Yeah, it's kind of a pain, but IMO so worth it. And I agree - if the price on this is in line with their other offerings, I'll be grabbing one too.
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