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Post by teejay on Dec 2, 2019 21:55:35 GMT -6
Hmmmm...I don't know. I have run across them on Reverb before and wondered. Watched the video overview on their FB page. Folks here would be better able to tell if the description of components and approach (especially on the "U47") hold water. Granted, they will install Thiersch or even Neumann caps, but say their caps are better.
One thing I noticed is a lack of attention to detail on their website. To me that says a lot about a company. Granted, not everyone has HTML skills or wants to pay a web designer for a professional look, but incorrect spelling and poor sentence structure bothers me. If you don't take the time and effort to get basic stuff like that right, or don't have someone at least proof your content before posting, I start to wonder about the product build and components.
Both mics are "on sale" at the moment. Don't know if that's actually regular pricing anyways or if they're discounted for now.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 2, 2019 22:18:32 GMT -6
No, I haven't. However the hype in their listing makes me suspicious. Along with the fact that it's designed around a 12AX7, which, in a microphone, is a sign of cheapness. As to it being a "U67 style", well...... Real 67s don't use 12AX7s. Real 67s don't have a tubular head basket - which affects the acoustic resonances in the mic. Real 67s use a proper transformer - they crtiticize the "Large, Bulky" transformers used by Neumann. The truth is that low end performance is tied to the size of the transformer. Sounds to me like they're making excuses for using a cheap tranny, which is definitely a way to cut costs. Neumann transformers are not a source of noise, which they claim.
Their website reads like it was writthen by an illiterate. Microphones don't use "chords".
I could go on, but enough is enough. If it seems too good to be true it usually is.
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Post by audioscape on Dec 3, 2019 18:41:27 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 3, 2019 20:50:20 GMT -6
One other thing - is this an "ELA M" style mic or is it a "U67" style mic? LDC ELA M mics used an AKG C12, edge terminated capsule. The U67 used a Neumann center terminated capsule.
You can't have it both ways.
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Post by ragan on Dec 3, 2019 23:16:55 GMT -6
Looks like another of the dozens of companies who rebrand ShuaiYin/Alctron/Apex/whatever stuff. Doesn't mean it's not a decent mic but it does mean I'd buy the cheaper Alctron version if I wanted one. And like John said, their marketing betrays some fundamental non-understanding of mics.
Edit: just saw this line...
"Buy it now and we offer to buy it back from you in ten years for twice today’s price provided it’s in good shape. But you won’t sell - it will be worth more."
Ok no, don't buy this mic. This is a bunch of bullshit.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2019 4:06:51 GMT -6
The whole pitch is just confused, so if that is the case how well designed in the mike ?
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Post by adamjbrass on Dec 4, 2019 8:49:00 GMT -6
people post that kind of description to come up in search engines
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 4, 2019 11:47:20 GMT -6
YIKES! Yeah, once I saw their webpage and dug a little deeper I realize their claims are dubious at best.
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Post by tommy on Jun 14, 2020 21:50:23 GMT -6
People who love our mics: Robert Rodriguez - famed Producer and Movie Maker, Disney, Mike Kosacek - Contributor for TAPEOP MAGAZINE, Jonathan Grossman - Sound Producer for many famous movies,including CRAZY RICH ASIANS, Mark Del Castillo - famed Music Producer and Engineer, Guitar wizard for the world famous band DEL CASTILLO, Max Vox, Famed Voice Actor you here every day if you watch TV. These are all organic and real customers that we neither sought out or paid any kind of money to. These are but a few...Please listen to the mic. Weirdaudiotech.com. They sound fantastic! It all comes downs to sound. Go to the samples on the website weirdaudiotech.com
Please, let's do a mic shoot out at a neutral studio. The truth is in the sound. We can open mics up as well, THE LITTLE RED MONSTER and the other mics too. See the difference - hear the difference. Tommy here. CEO WEIRD AUDIO weirdaudiotech.com. Let me say, I appreciate your input and concern regarding these mics and I think I can allay your concerns if you will give me a chance. Please give me a chance. We are the underdog for sure. I could start by giving you my bon-fides in the business but most aren't going to read that far. I will say I got really upset as I dug down the rabbit hole regarding the big three mic companies that once produced fabulous mics to find that in general they were ALL selling knock offs of the originals. I knew I could come up with great mics in a pure pragmatic process that sounded better. Let's start with current scenario: Blue once made some of the finest hand made mics in the world, (I still have an early serial number hand-made Latvian Blue)but they were bought by Logitech, famous for mass production of cheap computer keyboards, etc., and now mass produce cheap mics that aren’t always so cheap! Neuman bought by Senheiser, Georg would turn over in his grave! Senheiser mass produced dynamic mics but had no experience with top shelf boutique mics. Neuman actually mostly used Gefell capsules, by the way, but on their website, you see a picture of a metal lathe as though they were traditional CNC experts and craftsmen in that regard. Senheiser certainly is not. But then again they quit polished brass tension rings on their capsules years ago and now use plastic on their K capsules whereas we use highly polished brass. Then there is Telefunken: By the way they never even built the ELAM 251 of yesteryear that was made by AKG and what they are making now is pure knockoff look a - likes (that I can have built for a few hundred dollars each) and sell for thousands. Well, it's not Telefunken anyway, it's Telefunken Electrocaustic, an American marketing company, that bought the rights to use the name Ultimately, most all of em then turn to the Ningbho district of China to mass produce knockoffs of the originals. All of this PISSED ME OFF! Young dudes graduate these schools here in Austin and believe they have to sacrifice themselves to buy crap because of the name on it. By the time I got way down deep in the rabbit hole I had developed sources in Asia where I found I could buy some of this stuff right off the line for a few hundred bucks each and I was tempted to do so - Not!!! I was REALLY PISSED! I felt used! The creative arts were enslaved and duped by this bullshit! We’ve been brain washed into believing the emperor's new clothes are dope. Star cracking open mics and comparing to yesteryear. It’s all come down to cheap mass production and maximum profit. That being said, come to Austin with any doubter of my mic with your fav 67 and shoot out with mine in a neutral studio. Invite the magazines. We can get some attention I promise. Might get Rupert to check in - you never know - he lives 30 miles from here these days. I'll slay that dragon. No Bullshit. Let's do the real damn thing! My $550 mic against the $5,500 mic and don’t even bring a piece of crap fet fake! Back to Ningbho district. Ningbho uses a variety of corpoarate vehicles used to represent a group of mic element maker groups basically subsidized by the State. There are various names thus used in this district when going to market, and they private label and or build for damn near everyone one thing or another. Do not get me wrong! There IS definitely some fabulous mic making talent there but not behind every door. Many of those doors open to cheap mass production where there is a market. China operates this way - you want chemicals or lab creations, bio medical - that's the Wuhan district, Apple phones are made in another district. (Whole cities have been built for that!) You want microphones - that's Ningbho. Now there is major slight of hand going on. You can get your goods delivered to America and do final assembly here and say your mic is American made for example. Even when they are really assembled in toto here inside you are going to find electronic components mostly made in China even when they are painted and labeled some other way. How do I know? Even before I knew all of this I started opening a lot of mics, have been for years actually. Take the time to find certified production white papers. Go see them make these hand wound American transformers and caps. Arrange to buy some "off the line.” And at the door! Watch them make them and ask what goes inside. I'm going to be doing video blogs on all of this soon. Back to our mics. When we decided to make mics we were all from the business and not the DYI - do it yourself - side. We wanted the stars of CNC processes, and sputterists (lol) gold or otherwise.(We have our own PVC M7 capsule coming out soon for you purists, btw) We wanted simple but elegant electronics packages and in truth - mic electronics are not complicated. We wanted the best that could be made by the guys that made the best stuff in each area of the mic. We wanted a sleeve that was striking and a name that was memorable, and we wanted to sound better than the big corporate knockoffs, but once more we wanted mics that sounded fabulous, and thus was born the LITTLE RED MONSTER. Point one – mic sleeves – we went shopping: SLEEVES DO NOT MAKE THE MIC in most case by the way – the sound does. MANY microphones out there these day share the exact if not similar sleeve as other mics. Case in point: All of the ELAM 251 copies out there, everyone has a yellow tube these days, Warm Audio, Alctron, Telefunken Electrokaustic, add infinitum. The U47 sleeve is ubiquitous!!! By the way: We make one and I think we might just have the best one ever made - go listen to our sound files at weirdaudiotech.com/u47 PLEASE! be sure to listen to the clip in the video bottom page, Fly Me 2D Moon, and compare that to Frank Sinatra's original Fly Me To The Moon that he remastered in 2008, always using the best gear in the world! But, in sleeves, WE DID NOT WANT TO LOOK LIKE A NEUMAN or a this or that, we shopped high and low and landed on one that Alctron also uses - one other mic! They can't even be used in NORTH America right now, those sleeves!!! Guilty! we use a sleeve that one other mic uses! We uses a similar, ubiquitous power supply. Go look at all the clone world first please!!! From U87's to Beta 57's so many copy cat sleeves! Now what is inside our mic? Magic. Magic design that we don;t have patented nor does anyone (Elon Musk who I have come to love recently said ANYONE CAN USE OUR PATENTS! Basically that if anyone can iMprove on them it helps us all. That said, We definitely tweak our design and offer it to anyone. I doubt they know our capsule magic and other tricks. We use a very strange tube in the LITTLE RED MONSTER these days, hand-made in Germany, the 12AW7WAR. YOU WON'T FIND THIS TUBE IN ANY OTHER MIC WE KNOW OF! Our mics sound incredible! Look at our accolades on the website! LISTEN TO THE SAMPLES. When the CEO of a sound company contracted for many major motion pictures not only loves the mic, but sends us samples free of charge he likes the mic so much, it's like praising one of my children. Soon, same dude is going to check out our versions of the U47 as well. It was such an honor to be invited into his domain and watch him test the LITTLE RED MONSTER. You have to see the PROOF OF THIS and listen to it on website. weirdaudiotech.com. He APPROACHED US! Was so very cool. It meant the world to me! He and his guys new Steven Paul mods and all of it, but they loved our LITTLE RED MONSTER! Now then, why was the LITTLE RED MONSTER advertised with ELAM 251, U67 LIKE title? Two reasons, it compares very favorably in dynamics with them both but mostly for search results. On those particular channels, in this day and age, the LITTLE RED MONSTER would never have been seen without this bs. Not always going to be that way. Joneppstein is absolutely correct about the capsule wiring difference between the two mics he mentioned. And as to the bullshit about the buy-back. It's not bullshit. I stand by that. Buy it now and I will buy it back gladly, in ten years for twice what you pay for it now. That offer is good until October 1. Our price is going up again as our overhead increases. There is more to come from us, believe me. And the more detractors we get the more opportunity we get to tear the gust out of our competitor’s mics and practices. Some of that could get real messy if some of you guys are not careful because I will literally tear down builds via video blog. But, I am going to quit taking shots at the local builders. Forgive me you guys. Give me a weak and I will change the wording throughout our adds and public statements. I want to be totally in the corner of the local guys. I have the utmost respect for their endeavors. Let’s help and not hurt each other. And, lastly, in person I am not an arrogant ass and I hope I don’t sound like one here. I am definitely not like anyone you know. Story is long and not always wholesome. Maybe a little bigger than me in it’s craziness. So many miles. I’m grateful to be alive. It’s a miracle. But at 63, I’ve recorded double platinum artists and double Grammy winners, written some unknown books and songs, I can curl, 185 lbs (that’s very rare), bench over 315 for reps most days (not so rare), and do 505 pound shrugs for reps (a little on the rare side). I cut my teeth in the business in LA many years ago, top of the tower, Capitol records, wide-eyed intern for a minute. Ben Edmonds was my mentor. Later I did a lot of stuff I never got credit for. So be it. Today, and, by God, (quite literally), I have some of the best damn mics in the world! Come see me. Ill prove it to ya. All the above. Maybe buy you lunch, dinner, or both. Jam some in the studio or get some acoustic magic going on the back porch, kick it some of awesome live venues we have here. Would love to meet ya. Tommy WEIRD AUDIO
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Post by tommy on Jun 14, 2020 22:30:14 GMT -6
Oh! By the way johneppstein, all transformers produce something of a hum. Get a scope and a mic and an anachoic chamber and check it out. Go stand next to one of the big ones someday and listen. I've recorded many of them. And, the old Neuman BVO8 transformers were a big pain in the ass in all of their iterations in regards to the U47. Very well documented reality there. It was one of the reasons Georg decided to make the U67. What I say about our transformers is that it is crazy to make un-precise hand wound transformer when you can make a near perfectly wound transformer via computerized precise production procedure. We can all still use an outhouse if we so desire but modern plumbing just seems to be superior. Also, a precision made transformer also needs to be shielded so your super sensitive transducting capsule doesn't pick up any of the transformers attributes.The old BV08 was too big to shield. DO A SHOOTOUT WITH OUR Weird 47 and an old U47. There is just no denying the difference. You can compare Franks original recordings with our cover ones on our website weirdaudiotech.com. He had the best stuff in the world on all levels to work with. And remastered in 2008. Check it out. Be honest about the difference.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 15, 2020 0:08:11 GMT -6
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Post by levon on Jun 15, 2020 2:01:38 GMT -6
Wow, this guy is pretty weird.
John is right, a U67 ELA M??? This will surely impress the Fruity Loops perducers.
Eff this and save your money.
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Post by jcgriggs on Jun 15, 2020 5:53:41 GMT -6
>>> SNIP <<< I can curl, 185 lbs (that’s very rare), bench over 315 for reps most days (not so rare), and do 505 pound shrugs for reps (a little on the rare side).>>>SNIP <<< Wow. It's like Fred Willard faked his own death and is now selling microphones.
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 6:38:18 GMT -6
Say something real.. you are almost funny. But I was never a Fred Willard fan...or an eater of fruity loops... did anyone yet bother to listen to the mic? Let's do a shootout oh you many mouths... put your mic where your tiny mouth is
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Post by Ward on Jun 15, 2020 6:54:33 GMT -6
. . . man, whatever that is, it's a helluva drug.
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 7:01:35 GMT -6
Thank you so much RGO. I really really appreciate you. Never know quite what to say in one of these situations. As a young kid I wanted to be a really great drummer and then a great guitarist, then a great song writer, etc., but I am none of those things. Along the way I got all mixed up in doing studio stuff and messing with mics. So here we are. Hard to stick to the script everyone else expects of you. I have never quite fit into anyone else's box. I really really hope our gear helps someone out there. You don't have to get a second mortgage to own it. To date we have had zero returns from legitimate customers due to performance. Zero. People love our mics. I'm probably going to get a few detracting returns now just to make a point. All ask of anyone is to let me know and hear what they are comparing it to and the pre they have chosen to legitimize any input good or bad.
Kindest regards, Tommy
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Post by ericn on Jun 15, 2020 8:11:58 GMT -6
Please listen to the mic. Weirdaudiotech.com. They sound fantastic! It all comes downs to sound. Go to the samples on the website weirdaudiotech.com Please, let's do a mic shoot out at a neutral studio. The truth is in the sound. We can open mics up as well, THE LITTLE RED MONSTER and the other mics too. See the difference - hear the difference. Tommy here. CEO WEIRD AUDIO weirdaudiotech.com. Let me say, I appreciate your input and concern regarding these mics and I think I can allay your concerns if you will give me a chance. Please give me a chance. We are the underdog for sure. I could start by giving you my bon-fides in the business but most aren't going to read that far. I will say I got really upset as I dug down the rabbit hole regarding the big three mic companies that once produced fabulous mics to find that in general they were ALL selling knock offs of the originals. I knew I could come up with great mics in a pure pragmatic process that sounded better. Let's start with current scenario: Blue once made some of the finest hand made mics in the world, (I still have an early serial number hand-made Latvian Blue)but they were bought by Logitech, famous for mass production of cheap computer keyboards, etc., and now mass produce cheap mics that aren’t always so cheap! Neuman bought by Senheiser, Georg would turn over in his grave! Senheiser mass produced dynamic mics but had no experience with top shelf boutique mics. Neuman actually mostly used Gefell capsules, by the way, but on their website, you see a picture of a metal lathe as though they were traditional CNC experts and craftsmen in that regard. Senheiser certainly is not. But then again they quit polished brass tension rings on their capsules years ago and now use plastic on their K capsules whereas we use highly polished brass. Then there is Telefunken: By the way they never even built the ELAM 251 of yesteryear that was made by AKG and what they are making now is pure knockoff look a - likes (that I can have built for a few hundred dollars each) and sell for thousands. Well, it's not Telefunken anyway, it's Telefunken Electrocaustic, an American marketing company, that bought the rights to use the name Ultimately, most all of em then turn to the Ningbho district of China to mass produce knockoffs of the originals. All of this PISSED ME OFF! Young dudes graduate these schools here in Austin and believe they have to sacrifice themselves to buy crap because of the name on it. By the time I got way down deep in the rabbit hole I had developed sources in Asia where I found I could buy some of this stuff right off the line for a few hundred bucks each and I was tempted to do so - Not!!! I was REALLY PISSED! I felt used! The creative arts were enslaved and duped by this bullshit! We’ve been brain washed into believing the emperor's new clothes are dope. Star cracking open mics and comparing to yesteryear. It’s all come down to cheap mass production and maximum profit. That being said, come to Austin with any doubter of my mic with your fav 67 and shoot out with mine in a neutral studio. Invite the magazines. We can get some attention I promise. Might get Rupert to check in - you never know - he lives 30 miles from here these days. I'll slay that dragon. No Bullshit. Let's do the real damn thing! My $550 mic against the $5,500 mic and don’t even bring a piece of crap fet fake! Back to Ningbho district. Ningbho uses a variety of corpoarate vehicles used to represent a group of mic element maker groups basically subsidized by the State. There are various names thus used in this district when going to market, and they private label and or build for damn near everyone one thing or another. Do not get me wrong! There IS definitely some fabulous mic making talent there but not behind every door. Many of those doors open to cheap mass production where there is a market. China operates this way - you want chemicals or lab creations, bio medical - that's the Wuhan district, Apple phones are made in another district. (Whole cities have been built for that!) You want microphones - that's Ningbho. Now there is major slight of hand going on. You can get your goods delivered to America and do final assembly here and say your mic is American made for example. Even when they are really assembled in toto here inside you are going to find electronic components mostly made in China even when they are painted and labeled some other way. How do I know? Even before I knew all of this I started opening a lot of mics, have been for years actually. Take the time to find certified production white papers. Go see them make these hand wound American transformers and caps. Arrange to buy some "off the line.” And at the door! Watch them make them and ask what goes inside. I'm going to be doing video blogs on all of this soon. Back to our mics. When we decided to make mics we were all from the business and not the DYI - do it yourself - side. We wanted the stars of CNC processes, and sputterists (lol) gold or otherwise.(We have our own PVC M7 capsule coming out soon for you purists, btw) We wanted simple but elegant electronics packages and in truth - mic electronics are not complicated. We wanted the best that could be made by the guys that made the best stuff in each area of the mic. We wanted a sleeve that was striking and a name that was memorable, and we wanted to sound better than the big corporate knockoffs, but once more we wanted mics that sounded fabulous, and thus was born the LITTLE RED MONSTER. Point one – mic sleeves – we went shopping: SLEEVES DO NOT MAKE THE MIC in most case by the way – the sound does. MANY microphones out there these day share the exact if not similar sleeve as other mics. Case in point: All of the ELAM 251 copies out there, everyone has a yellow tube these days, Warm Audio, Alctron, Telefunken Electrokaustic, add infinitum. The U47 sleeve is ubiquitous!!! By the way: We make one and I think we might just have the best one ever made - go listen to our sound files at weirdaudiotech.com/u47 PLEASE! be sure to listen to the clip in the video bottom page, Fly Me 2D Moon, and compare that to Frank Sinatra's original Fly Me To The Moon that he remastered in 2008, always using the best gear in the world! But, in sleeves, WE DID NOT WANT TO LOOK LIKE A NEUMAN or a this or that, we shopped high and low and landed on one that Alctron also uses - one other mic! They can't even be used in NORTH America right now, those sleeves!!! Guilty! we use a sleeve that one other mic uses! We uses a similar, ubiquitous power supply. Go look at all the clone world first please!!! From U87's to Beta 57's so many copy cat sleeves! Now what is inside our mic? Magic. Magic design that we don;t have patented nor does anyone (Elon Musk who I have come to love recently said ANYONE CAN USE OUR PATENTS! Basically that if anyone can iMprove on them it helps us all. That said, We definitely tweak our design and offer it to anyone. I doubt they know our capsule magic and other tricks. We use a very strange tube in the LITTLE RED MONSTER these days, hand-made in Germany, the 12AW7WAR. YOU WON'T FIND THIS TUBE IN ANY OTHER MIC WE KNOW OF! Our mics sound incredible! Look at our accolades on the website! LISTEN TO THE SAMPLES. When the CEO of a sound company contracted for many major motion pictures not only loves the mic, but sends us samples free of charge he likes the mic so much, it's like praising one of my children. Soon, same dude is going to check out our versions of the U47 as well. It was such an honor to be invited into his domain and watch him test the LITTLE RED MONSTER. You have to see the PROOF OF THIS and listen to it on website. weirdaudiotech.com. He APPROACHED US! Was so very cool. It meant the world to me! He and his guys new Steven Paul mods and all of it, but they loved our LITTLE RED MONSTER! Now then, why was the LITTLE RED MONSTER advertised with ELAM 251, U67 LIKE title? Two reasons, it compares very favorably in dynamics with them both but mostly for search results. On those particular channels, in this day and age, the LITTLE RED MONSTER would never have been seen without this bs. Not always going to be that way. Joneppstein is absolutely correct about the capsule wiring difference between the two mics he mentioned. And as to the bullshit about the buy-back. It's not bullshit. I stand by that. Buy it now and I will buy it back gladly, in ten years for twice what you pay for it now. That offer is good until October 1. Our price is going up again as our overhead increases. There is more to come from us, believe me. And the more detractors we get the more opportunity we get to tear the gust out of our competitor’s mics and practices. Some of that could get real messy if some of you guys are not careful because I will literally tear down builds via video blog. But, I am going to quit taking shots at the local builders. Forgive me you guys. Give me a weak and I will change the wording throughout our adds and public statements. I want to be totally in the corner of the local guys. I have the utmost respect for their endeavors. Let’s help and not hurt each other. And, lastly, in person I am not an arrogant ass and I hope I don’t sound like one here. I am definitely not like anyone you know. Story is long and not always wholesome. Maybe a little bigger than me in it’s craziness. So many miles. I’m grateful to be alive. It’s a miracle. But at 63, I’ve recorded double platinum artists and double Grammy winners, written some unknown books and songs, I can curl, 185 lbs (that’s very rare), bench over 315 for reps most days (not so rare), and do 505 pound shrugs for reps (a little on the rare side). I cut my teeth in the business in LA many years ago, top of the tower, Capitol records, wide-eyed intern for a minute. Ben Edmonds was my mentor. Later I did a lot of stuff I never got credit for. So be it. Today, and, by God, (quite literally), I have some of the best damn mics in the world! Come see me. Ill prove it to ya. All the above. Maybe buy you lunch, dinner, or both. Jam some in the studio or get some acoustic magic going on the back porch, kick it some of awesome live venues we have here. Would love to meet ya. Tommy WEIRD AUDIO I started laughing at the first paragraph, The big 3 would be Shure, AT and Sennhiser/ Neumann. Yeah they sell knock offs all right of their own mics. After that I can’t take somebody seriously who talks knock offs and uses generic Chinese body’s.
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Post by teejay on Jun 15, 2020 8:18:32 GMT -6
Say something real.. you are almost funny. But I was never a Fred Willard fan...or an eater of fruity loops... did anyone yet bother to listen to the mic? Let's do a shootout oh you many mouths... put your mic where your tiny mouth is Tommy, If you want a fair, comprehensive, and revealing shootout of your mics then may I suggest you consider contacting Vincent R. here on the boards to see if he'd be willing to do that. Send him demos of both of your mics and give him time to work with them. Not only will it be a straight-up comparison against some of your top competitors, but the process, chain, and voice will ensure a level playing field. If you're not familiar with him, he's well experienced at it, knows what he's doing, and always does an outstanding and professional job in his reviews. Hearing your 47 against the FLEA 47 and 49 would be telling.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 15, 2020 9:50:32 GMT -6
I thought the vocal in the video on the site was pretty great sounding personally.
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Post by ericn on Jun 15, 2020 12:51:36 GMT -6
I thought the vocal in the video on the site was pretty great sounding personally. I am still amazed that on a few voices there is no better mic than the cheapest Chinese LDC FET. The first time it pissed me off, now I just roll with it.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 15, 2020 12:57:34 GMT -6
I thought the vocal in the video on the site was pretty great sounding personally. I am still amazed that on a few voices there is no better mic than the cheapest Chinese LDC FET. The first time it pissed me off, now I just roll with it. Well this was his U47 Tube clone. Thought it was nice. Chinese manufacturing isn't bad. They've spent the last 30 years getting extremely good at it. Just just holding them to the standard that you want your product to have. The amount of stuff we all use on a day to day basis that is from China is mind boggling. It's not worth complaining about. He came off a bit brash I'll admit, but he's not wrong either.. I mean technically no one makes a mic like they did back then because...well no one makes anything like they did back then. And I know of SO many companies that do exactly what he says. parts made in china, assemble it in the USA and then go and call it "USA MADE!" Fuck yeah! America! It's super common.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 15, 2020 14:13:43 GMT -6
Oh! By the way johneppstein, all transformers produce something of a hum. Get a scope and a mic and an anachoic chamber and check it out. Go stand next to one of the big ones someday and listen. I've recorded many of them. And, the old Neuman BVO8 transformers were a big pain in the ass in all of their iterations in regards to the U47. Very well documented reality there. It was one of the reasons Georg decided to make the U67. What I say about our transformers is that it is crazy to make un-precise hand wound transformer when you can make a near perfectly wound transformer via computerized precise production procedure. We can all still use an outhouse if we so desire but modern plumbing just seems to be superior. Also, a precision made transformer also needs to be shielded so your super sensitive transducting capsule doesn't pick up any of the transformers attributes.The old BV08 was too big to shield. DO A SHOOTOUT WITH OUR Weird 47 and an old U47. There is just no denying the difference. You can compare Franks original recordings with our cover ones on our website weirdaudiotech.com. He had the best stuff in the world on all levels to work with. And remastered in 2008. Check it out. Be honest about the difference. Please stop embarassing yourself.
First, you don't appear to know the difference between an AKG derived (LDC) mic capsule (edge terminated) and a Neumann derived (LDC) mic capsule (center terminated.)
Second, you don't appear to understand that a 12AX7 is an ABSOLUTE CRAP tube for use in a microphone. They're great in guitar amps, but what makes a great tube in a guitar preamp stage are exactly the same characteristics that make it a lousy choice for a mic.
Third, you don't appear to understand that headbasket design isn't cosmetic in nature. The design of the headbask is actually very important to the sound quality of a mic, as head baskets have resonances that must be carefully designed for.
Fourth, it's obvious that you don't know crap about transformers.
Transformers are PASSIVE devices, and passive devices DO NOT "GENERATE" NOISE. Period. However if you use a shitty transformer in a mic that does not incorporate a properly designed and constructed shield made of of expensive Mu-Metal, the transformer, being a large coil of wire, can act as an antenna and picks up environmental hum. This is avoided in GOOD microphones by the use of high quality shielding - which you obviously can't afford. Have you even heard of Mu Metal?
And if you're so concerned about noise why are you using a 12AX7???
Never mind, I know the answer. !2AX7s are about the cheapest tubes you can get that will "work", because they're ubiquitous in guitar amps, the major market for tubes these days. And they have instant "name recognition" among - guitar players.
BTW, FYI I was a professional audio service tech from the early 1970s until my retirement for medical reasons in the mid 2000s. Your attempts at tech speak are laughable. "Anechoic chamber"? You don't need an anechoic chamber to test the noise floor of an electronic circuit. Or a discrete part, like a transformer - which doesn't generate noise, anyway.
You want to block environmental ELECTRONIC noise, you need a Faraday cage, not an anechoic chamber.
And the truth about hand wound vs machine made is that a QUALITY hand wound transformer will beat a machine wound unit pretty much every time. Machines are not perfect - they work within TOLERANCES. They are not perfect and they certainly can't match the work of a highly skilled specialist who tests each and every unit.
Wrong. The capsule is a CAPACITOR. Capacitors don't pick up electromagnetic interference.
Nonsense and poppycock. This demonstrates that you REALLY don't know anything about transformers.
Too big to shield? Seriously? I've worked on hi-fi power amplifiers with shielded output transformers the size of a big man's fist.
There is only ONE limitation on the size of a shielded transformer - cost.
I don't do online "shootouts". They're misleading and never accurate. And you can never tell what processing might have been employed to skew the results.
I could go into detail but I've already done that too many times, so I'm not going to bother. You want me to hear how great your mic is, send me a sample to demo for a month, then I'll have time to form an opinion. The only way to properly evalute a microphone is to actually use it in the studio. Shootouts are like spec sheets - fodder for the marks.
BTW, there is one case in which a transformer can produce a "hum" - but it's not an electronic hum, it's mechanical. If a power transformer is poorly constructeed with low quality potting material it is possible for the intense internal magnetic fields may cause loose laminations to vibrate, producing a PHYSICAL hum. The same problem occasionally can make improperly tigntened mounting hardware to vibrate. But microphone transformers don't have nearly intense enough fields to cause this.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 15, 2020 14:28:41 GMT -6
I thought the vocal in the video on the site was pretty great sounding personally. I am still amazed that on a few voices there is no better mic than the cheapest Chinese LDC FET. The first time it pissed me off, now I just roll with it. There are a few voices on which an SM58 is the best vocal mic. It says more about the individual voice than the quality of the mic. Sometimes the deficiencies/characteristics of mic and voice complement each other, when either one in most other situations might be.... "problematic".
It's why I have drawers full of mics that I almost never use.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 15, 2020 14:32:58 GMT -6
Say something real.. you are almost funny. But I was never a Fred Willard fan...or an eater of fruity loops... did anyone yet bother to listen to the mic? Let's do a shootout oh you many mouths... put your mic where your tiny mouth is Tommy, If you want a fair, comprehensive, and revealing shootout of your mics then may I suggest you consider contacting Vincent R. here on the boards to see if he'd be willing to do that. Send him demos of both of your mics and give him time to work with them. Not only will it be a straight-up comparison against some of your top competitors, but the process, chain, and voice will ensure a level playing field. If you're not familiar with him, he's well experienced at it, knows what he's doing, and always does an outstanding and professional job in his reviews. Hearing your 47 against the FLEA 47 and 49 would be telling. Yeah. Vincent's shootouts are about the only one on the internet that I'm willing to listen to. Because I know him enough to know that he's unbiased, he's not selling anything or compromised in any other way, and he's absolutely meticuous about what he does. But even Vincent's shootouts don't tell me a lot of things I need to know, such as how a mic responds to positioning. One of the problems with mic shootouts is positioning, which presents two mutually contradictory (if that's the word) problems. It's really difficult to get both mic positions and signals identical (even if you set up the mics in the exact same position, you have no guarantee that the signal doesn't vary somewhat, even if it's recorded) is half the problem, and the other half is that quite often the optimum position for one mic may not be the same as for another. So do you want positioning to be "equal" or do you want to display each mic at it's own best? The latter, obviously, would be ideal in theory, but in reality is a real can of worms.
But yeah, you want a fair, unbiased shootout, Vincent is about as good as you'll ever get.
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