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Post by johneppstein on Jun 15, 2020 14:47:16 GMT -6
I thought the vocal in the video on the site was pretty great sounding personally. Not surprising. Would you post a video on your product site that wasn't "pretty great sounding"?
I wouldn't.
And there are people out there who probably wouldn't be above posting a vid with audio from an entirely different mic - or at least one hand picked example.
I NEVER trust company sound clips. Probably one reason why the big companies seldom, if ever, bother with that crap.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 15, 2020 14:53:32 GMT -6
Say something real.. you are almost funny. But I was never a Fred Willard fan...or an eater of fruity loops... did anyone yet bother to listen to the mic? Let's do a shootout oh you many mouths... put your mic where your tiny mouth is Put your mic in my mailbox. Words are cheap. Promo words are even cheaper. In fact some promo words are so cheap that we should be paid to read them. |
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 16:00:04 GMT -6
JHe you utter idiot - go on to the app wish and dial in U87 and you'll see where your precious German mics are coming from - People who love our mics: Robert Rodriguez - famed Producer and Movie Maker, Disney, Mike Kosacek - Contributor for TAPEOP MAGAZINE, Jonathan Grossman - Sound Producer for many famous movies,including CRAZY RICH ASIANS, Mark Del Castillo - famed Music Producer and Engineer, Guitar wizard for the world famous band DEL CASTILLO, Max Vox, Famed Voice Actor you here every day if you watch TV. These are all organic and real customers that we neither sought out or paid any kind of money to. These are but a few... Johnepstein old buddy I love your spunk. But the world ain't flat, I promise it's round. You keep mis-applying my words, and showing your lack of knowledge. I know the differnce in an AKG capsules and and M7/K7 capsule seeing how I make em. You want to see our non-center terminated breakthrough aluminum capsule prototype to prove it? Or an AKG capsule in our lab? Do you know what a transducer is? And Yes condenser is a capacitor of sorts that uses minuscule amounts of electricity. In fact in the old world they still refer to them in some parts as capacitor mics. And the anachoic chamber can be used to block out all noise in order to MEASURE transformer hum by golly. Not as a shield for a transformer. I'm not your enemy brother. Too much there for me to keep going on. Busy here. Really busy.
And cheap tube? Come on man. A straight 12AX7 is a noisy bitch. Thank God we don't use one! And the hand made German tube we do use ain't cheap. (We use a 12AX7 WAR) It cost more than the average tube used by any of my competitors. Then there is the 7025's we use in our 47's - real 7025's I might add - military grade. Now I have a collection of everything from old Mullards, Telefunkens, and a variety of very expensive NOS RCA 7025's from the 60s. But our hand made German tube beats them all and yes all of this was a daring concept design wise. God bless you Epstein. Hope we can get real with each other sooner rather than later. You can talk directly to me. Call me Tommy.
In regards, shootouts - I'm game as described otherwise a small studio in Virginia already kicked the crap out of the pristine legacy recordings of Frank Sinatra using our mics and and Avalon 737 on vocal and I forget what he used on clean guitar cabinet off the top of my head. None of this work did I solicit or pay for. I'm super super grateful for the contributions. Wish you guys would LISTEN to the mic. That's what you do for a living. Make and judge great sound. Right??? Come on! I'll help you any way I can.
And, yes, the guys that make your BL mics and your Ne mics and your Te mics are all mostly in Ningbho! The really really good manufacturers are there! You are already buying that "crap!" I do use German stuff and Russian stuff, etc. too, in my mics.
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Post by timcampbell on Jun 15, 2020 16:07:30 GMT -6
I hate to say it but this way of defending your work does nothing to encourage new end users for your product, at least not on this forum
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 16:08:50 GMT -6
Thank you for being open minded RGO! Means the world to me. Much appreciated. I don't mean to come off so brash. Pretty reserved in person. But sound is the thing. We have all drank some of the big corp Kool Aid unfortunately.
People who love our mics: Robert Rodriguez - famed Producer and Movie Maker, Disney, Mike Kosacek - Contributor for TAPEOP MAGAZINE, Jonathan Grossman - Sound Producer for many famous movies,including CRAZY RICH ASIANS, Mark Del Castillo - famed Music Producer and Engineer, Guitar wizard for the world famous band DEL CASTILLO, Max Vox, Famed Voice Actor you here every day if you watch TV. These are all organic and real customers that we neither sought out or paid any kind of money to. These are but a few...
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 16:14:44 GMT -6
I was attacked on this forum last post some 3 months ago. Probably prompted by a competitor. I waited until I had some ducks to shoot at/ out. Hope some one would bother with being fair. I am not looking for new users here. I was already assassinated here - judged by the color of my skin or sleeve I should say before anyone bothered to listen to one single thing made on my mics. Or figure out why I make em. No one has ever even seen one from here. Damnit guys! We are supposed to be the artistic enlightened open minded leaders of our art. So I hope someone can hear the truth and just say it. Listen to the mics!
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Post by drumsound on Jun 15, 2020 16:15:19 GMT -6
This has already be done at that other joint. Someone bought one and hated it. The CEO showed up and was combative. Everyone moved on.
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 16:15:36 GMT -6
Apologies! One cat did listen! RGO thank you so much brother. You have real guts.
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 16:16:48 GMT -6
Except that he didn't buy one which is been proven and would hae been hammered home if the cat hadn't closed the thread. And he did not have pics of the inside of our mic as reported.
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 16:19:25 GMT -6
Yes. I will not be so cheap as to mention the liars name here. But he didn't want me to speak anymore so he shut me out of the thread - closed it.
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Post by timcampbell on Jun 15, 2020 16:19:43 GMT -6
Not at all Tommy. I am just trying to say that other boutique manufacturers don't need to make flashy claims, try to be familiar with members they don't know, or try to address every post. I'm sure you make a wonderful mic. If you want to generate interest please lend one to some members and if all that you've said holds water they will post glowing reviews and generate sales way beyond the cost of your incovenience
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Post by jacobamerritt on Jun 15, 2020 16:23:08 GMT -6
Not at all Tommy. I am just trying to say that other boutique manufacturers don't need to make flashy claims, try to be familiar with members they don't know, or try to address every post. I'm sure you make a wonderful mic. If you want to generate interest please lend one to some members and if all that you've said holds water they will post glowing reviews and generate sales way beyond the cost of your incovenience This is the truth |
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 16:26:05 GMT -6
Go read his BS if they will still allow it to be opened. Let me know.
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Post by timcampbell on Jun 15, 2020 16:27:14 GMT -6
There is no need to. Let your mic speak for itself and critics be damned
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 16:27:38 GMT -6
Thank you Blackdawg! You have guts! Again I had nothing to do with that video sample - did not pay for it or solicit it in anyway. An amazed customer contributed it.
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Post by tommy on Jun 15, 2020 16:31:09 GMT -6
THANK YOU TIM!!! You are right.
Thank you sooooo much. I'll try to shut up now man. But this is the stuff people read when they go the internet to find out about us. If I don't speak up they think its all gospel from the experts.
Thank you again.
Kindest regards,
Tommy
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Post by Ned Ward on Jun 15, 2020 17:11:30 GMT -6
I thought the vocal in the video on the site was pretty great sounding personally. Not surprising. Would you post a video on your product site that wasn't "pretty great sounding"?
I wouldn't.
And there are people out there who probably wouldn't be above posting a vid with audio from an entirely different mic - or at least one hand picked example.
I NEVER trust company sound clips. Probably one reason why the big companies seldom, if ever, bother with that crap.
John - I'm laughing as Reeves Amps when they started did exactly that - they had these amazing amps, and the WORST-sounding samples to judge them by to the point I wondered "why bother?"
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 15, 2020 17:49:05 GMT -6
Tommy, if you want, PM me, I'll try your mic, make a couple of demo tracks and send it back to you. You can find a few of my gear demos at youtube to see what I typically do.
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 16, 2020 1:23:01 GMT -6
And, yes, the guys that make your BL mics and your Ne mics and your Te mics are all mostly in Ningbho! The really really good manufacturers are there! You are already buying that "crap!" I do use German stuff and Russian stuff, etc. too, in my mics. All MY what? I don't have a hell of a lot of condenser mics that I actually use, those are USA by companies like Pearlman and Heiserman and older German/Austrian mics, of which I do not have nearly enough (and regret some that I no longer posess.)
I have a shitload of other mics, too, but none that fit any of the abbreviations you listed.
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Post by levon on Jun 16, 2020 3:19:48 GMT -6
Thank God, this Tommy character can bully all he wants, but nobody but me decides which mics I use and buy.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 16, 2020 5:33:00 GMT -6
Tommy, if you want vocal mike cred here, send one to Martin or Vincent. We know their voices well and trust their judgement and honesty.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 16, 2020 7:33:11 GMT -6
Tommy, if you want, PM me, I'll try your mic, make a couple of demo tracks and send it back to you. You can find a few of my gear demos at youtube to see what I typically do.
A great offer I always liked your dry real life mic testing, since my last SDC CHINA experience I think most china mics sound bad. I own one exception and that is Samson LDC which sounds for no reason I know great on my vocals I boughtit used on market here in berlin for 70 bucks.
It not so hard to send mic for shoot out getting some great YT video too.....
If Tommy has faith in his products, there is no easier way to get support.
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Post by ericn on Jun 16, 2020 9:21:04 GMT -6
Thank God, this Tommy character can bully all he wants, but nobody but me decides which mics I use and buy. And here I thought it was my job to decide for you! Sure shoot my ego to bits😁 |
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Post by ericn on Jun 16, 2020 9:27:18 GMT -6
Tommy, If you want a fair, comprehensive, and revealing shootout of your mics then may I suggest you consider contacting Vincent R. here on the boards to see if he'd be willing to do that. Send him demos of both of your mics and give him time to work with them. Not only will it be a straight-up comparison against some of your top competitors, but the process, chain, and voice will ensure a level playing field. If you're not familiar with him, he's well experienced at it, knows what he's doing, and always does an outstanding and professional job in his reviews. Hearing your 47 against the FLEA 47 and 49 would be telling. Yeah. Vincent's shootouts are about the only one on the internet that I'm willing to listen to. Because I know him enough to know that he's unbiased, he's not selling anything or compromised in any other way, and he's absolutely meticuous about what he does. But even Vincent's shootouts don't tell me a lot of things I need to know, such as how a mic responds to positioning. One of the problems with mic shootouts is positioning, which presents two mutually contradictory (if that's the word) problems. It's really difficult to get both mic positions and signals identical (even if you set up the mics in the exact same position, you have no guarantee that the signal doesn't vary somewhat, even if it's recorded) is half the problem, and the other half is that quite often the optimum position for one mic may not be the same as for another. So do you want positioning to be "equal" or do you want to display each mic at it's own best? The latter, obviously, would be ideal in theory, but in reality is a real can of worms.
But yeah, you want a fair, unbiased shootout, Vincent is about as good as you'll ever get.
At this point I can pretty much judge a mic in the hands of Vincent, his wife or JK in 2min. My ideal acid test would be to have all 3 in a nice room for about 2 hours. Then I could judge proximity effect, different patterns off axis response and some different types of vocals. |
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Post by tommy on Jun 16, 2020 9:49:49 GMT -6
mrholmes if you have read my original post you will probably start to understand that I am trying to tell you all of your mics are likely China mics whether you know it or not if they have been purchased in the last ten years. And Johnepstein again I appreciate your input but I have some key photos from the Heiserman website showing lots of Chinese caps, etc in their gear. My highest praise to the Heiserman team, however, for what they are attempting. Highest caliber CNC processes are hard to learn, but I have to love their mics because they are my heroes, I just took a different path so far, and, I like them, have a whole bunch of NOS new Russian paper in oil caps that everyone wants to bow down to, however, we won't use them except by request, because they are inconsistent and unpredictable regarding leakage.
My point is this: If the big mic companies are producing gear in China for cheap quit raping your customers or someone like me will come along with mics that blow their current builds out of the water. Be honest enough to do what Fender does and sell cheaper versions based on where the products are made. And you guys in the business join in and stop propping up these turned to shit companies that are screwing everyone. It's happened in industry after industry. Now then, I'll state this emphatically as soon as it is possible to manufacture everything in the US to the standards I find elsewhere I will do it. In the meantime I'll keep providing mics that sound better than your current build $10,000 mics for a fraction of the cost. I have one mic - a U47 - Thiersch PVC capsule - German tube - that I swear is the best 47 sounding mic I have ever heard. Should sell for 6k easily and I may do that next year still. Right now it's a third of that. We don't sell 47 clones, we sell what they should have evolved to. All of them do that little thing - can hear a spider walk when open but as soon as vocal level spl touches em, they do that little compression/gate thing in the warmest way like the original ones.
Also, I want to thank all you guys, for letting me speak. For your input - even if I didn't like it. This is the way things should be in every arena. I'm not on this forum to sell mics, just represent some. I was assassinated on here a few months ago. It was time to speak out. Again, I'm not looking for your vote. I'm not running for president. I don't think anyone here has ever seen or used one of my mics. That's ok. And, I don't need to do shoot out's but if your going to crucify my mics site unseen by golly bring your best to Austin and put it up against mine. You can even pick mine out of the warehouse. Come run some clean male and female vocal clips, acoustic instruments whatever. I'll help set it up with pre-approved artists. whatever. If you have looked at my website recently you will realize I don't need to prove anything anymore. I'll try to keep up with this Forum as I can. Very very busy here. I wish you guys all the best. And yes RGO, I am a character - you have no idea - but damnit I just have to be who I am. Lots of times I don't like me either.
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