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Post by junior on Nov 16, 2019 0:07:25 GMT -6
Remo Ambassador drum heads. Sometimes they are $5 or $10 on Amazon. Word.
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Post by junior on Nov 16, 2019 0:14:08 GMT -6
Well, if any of the following go on sale for BF / CM, I'll be forced to break out my wallet, LOL:
Sononym Opticom XLA-3 Audiothing Outer Space CraveEQ Gulfoss BassRoom Tim Petherick Nebula Libraries
Tick-tock, tick-tock...
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Post by mike on Nov 16, 2019 1:11:47 GMT -6
What would I really like? Lately I've been lusting after a FleA 47 with the F7 cap and the EF12 tube. Have not seen any Black Friday sales on it.
I don't know if it will happen this year or not, but I think in the past few years the Flea's went on sale for 10% off for a couple of weeks when it gets closer to black Friday at Vintage King. Might not sound like allot, but on a 4k mic, that's a little over $400 which is something. You can check RSS, Zenpro or Calistromusic for their prices then also,.... between them all you can sometimes find a demo deal.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 16, 2019 2:39:36 GMT -6
I'd be interested if John E. even just did a brief mini-review, of his Heiserman H47 FET... Chris
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Post by adamjbrass on Nov 16, 2019 6:19:52 GMT -6
I'd be interested if John E. even just did a brief mini-review, of his Heiserman H47 FET... Chris But only with real drummer and not a M1D1 patch...
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Post by mitchkricun on Nov 16, 2019 8:52:19 GMT -6
Would love to find a discount on SD3. I’m ready to make the jump from Slate Drums. Also Neural DSP Nolly and Goodhertz Canopener. Do you guys think SD3 will go on sale? Have you messed with SSD5? Used them on a song I just finished mixing and it was the first time I forgot they were not live drums. I’ve messed with SSD5 quite a bit. I’ve had it since SSD3. Solo the Overheads. Do the sound like any Overheads you’ve EVER tracked? I’m guessing, no. Not saying it’s a bad product at all. I’m saying I’m ready for something that sound and react like real drums.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 16, 2019 13:04:34 GMT -6
I have a physical drum kit. It makes it MUCH easier to get a live drummer to come over. What is the point of comments like these? It'll never cease to amaze me that they get posted. Person 1: I really like the clips of the Upton I've heard. Thinking about taking the plunge. Person 2: Have you tried the Bock though? I was really impressed with it. Sounded a lot like the vintage 251 I used to use. Person 3: I ONLY LISTEN TO SINGERS LIVE IN MY LIVING ROOM RECORDINGS ARE AN ILLUSION Person 1: Person 2: Everyone else: Well, since you asked, my point was that if you have a kit and use a real drummer you have no need to mess with drum programs and, assuming a decent drummer, your drum tracks always sound like a real drummer.
In many, if not most, cases programmed drums don't sound quite right, which I have always assumed is that you really need to be drummer in order to program realistic drum parts. And there's always the problem with getting the ambience right and not having the glue provided by leakage and sympathetic ringing between drums. To me programmed drums usually sound like individual instruments to some degree, not an integrated kit.
Of course, having a real kit does require having the space to keep it set up and not being in a situation inimical to doing so.
In case you're wondering, yes, I did try the Toontrack drum programs, both hand programmed and with an electronic kit. I didn't really find them satisfactory, even running on a dedicated computer, and ended up giving the whole thing away. I was pretty disappointed.
My music partner has has some success with the antiquated Mick Fleetwood drum loop collection, but that's pretty limited.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 16, 2019 13:18:02 GMT -6
I'd be interested if John E. even just did a brief mini-review, of his Heiserman H47 FET... Chris But only with real drummer and not a M1D1 patch... I don't know how to mic a MIDI patch.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 16, 2019 13:27:57 GMT -6
I'd be interested if John E. even just did a brief mini-review, of his Heiserman H47 FET... Chris Unfortunately since haveing to relocate out of SF I have yet to be able to hook up with a drummer worth recording, which bears on this in two ways:
1) I'm mostly interested in trying this mic as a kick out mic, as several people I respect use the U47FET.
2) When I record I track drums first, with a scratch vocal into my M88 and scratch rhytrhm guitar part using the guitar's pickup so as to not bleed into the drums. The drummer gets the vocal and guitar via phones. Then afterwards we track everything else. Without a competent drummer recording has been stymied and I haven't tracked any vocals, which is the other use I want the H47 for. When I do I'll probably be comparing the H47 to one of my TM-1s and maybe my U87, although I don't care for the 87 on my vocals much.
I have a new drummer coming over today, in about half an hour - if things work out maybe the logjam will be broken. Let's hope.
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Post by ragan on Nov 16, 2019 16:00:23 GMT -6
Well, since you asked, my point was that if you have a kit and use a real drummer you have no need to mess with drum programs and, assuming a decent drummer, your drum tracks always sound like a real drummer. Right. So two people were talking about something and your contribution was to announce that you don't don't participate in what they're talking about. I'm just always baffled by the need to interject such things. In many, if not most, cases programmed drums don't sound quite right, which I have always assumed is that you really need to be drummer in order to program realistic drum parts. And there's always the problem with getting the ambience right and not having the glue provided by leakage and sympathetic ringing between drums. To me programmed drums usually sound like individual instruments to some degree, not an integrated kit. For the record, in SD3 you can have whatever bleed you'd like from any of the mics, from zero up to the full bleed as it was tracked. I keep mine at 100% bleed because you're right, it doesn't sound natural without it. In case you're wondering, yes, I did try the Toontrack drum programs, both hand programmed and with an electronic kit. I didn't really find them satisfactory, even running on a dedicated computer, and ended up giving the whole thing away. I was pretty disappointed. How would the processing being handled on a dedicated computer have any effect on whether you liked the result sonically? What electronic kit were you using? Understanding how to play into a virtual instrument like SD3 is its own skill and it requires a pretty good V-Drum setup as a baseline. One that translates velocity nuances into MIDI very well. The audio (of SD3) itself is simply actual recorded drums so the translation of a performance is where the rubber meets the road. And that's a function of both the person hitting the drums and the piece of gear encoding it all.
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Post by sopwith on Nov 16, 2019 18:29:46 GMT -6
Been waiting to grab the Bob Weir acoustic preamp, which just went 60% off at SW - so that one's been answered.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 16, 2019 20:43:37 GMT -6
Well, since you asked, my point was that if you have a kit and use a real drummer you have no need to mess with drum programs and, assuming a decent drummer, your drum tracks always sound like a real drummer. Right. So two people were talking about something and your contribution was to announce that you don't don't participate in what they're talking about. I'm just always baffled by the need to interject such things. In many, if not most, cases programmed drums don't sound quite right, which I have always assumed is that you really need to be drummer in order to program realistic drum parts. And there's always the problem with getting the ambience right and not having the glue provided by leakage and sympathetic ringing between drums. To me programmed drums usually sound like individual instruments to some degree, not an integrated kit. For the record, in SD3 you can have whatever bleed you'd like from any of the mics, from zero up to the full bleed as it was tracked. I keep mine at 100% bleed because you're right, it doesn't sound natural without it. In case you're wondering, yes, I did try the Toontrack drum programs, both hand programmed and with an electronic kit. I didn't really find them satisfactory, even running on a dedicated computer, and ended up giving the whole thing away. I was pretty disappointed. How would the processing being handled on a dedicated computer have any effect on whether you liked the result sonically? What electronic kit were you using? Understanding how to play into a virtual instrument like SD3 is its own skill and it requires a pretty good V-Drum setup as a baseline. One that translates velocity nuances into MIDI very well. The audio (of SD3) itself is simply actual recorded drums so the translation of a performance is where the rubber meets the road. And that's a function of both the person hitting the drums and the piece of gear encoding it all. Latency. Being able to use the (how should I put this) aggregated rig in a system that is analog based. Without latency that makes it simply not work. In other words, as an external instrument. Certainly you can understand this?
The V-drum brain was a Roland. That's supposed to be good, yes?
It did not work. It could not integrate ino an analog recording system. The latency was not merely annoying, it was ridiculous.
BTW, if you really want to continue these personal attacks I suggest that we take it to PM, so as to not bother other members.
Or just cool it. Not everybody agrees with you. I know that not everybody agrees with me. Nobody ever said they had to.
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Post by ragan on Nov 16, 2019 22:27:59 GMT -6
Right. So two people were talking about something and your contribution was to announce that you don't don't participate in what they're talking about. I'm just always baffled by the need to interject such things. For the record, in SD3 you can have whatever bleed you'd like from any of the mics, from zero up to the full bleed as it was tracked. I keep mine at 100% bleed because you're right, it doesn't sound natural without it. How would the processing being handled on a dedicated computer have any effect on whether you liked the result sonically? What electronic kit were you using? Understanding how to play into a virtual instrument like SD3 is its own skill and it requires a pretty good V-Drum setup as a baseline. One that translates velocity nuances into MIDI very well. The audio (of SD3) itself is simply actual recorded drums so the translation of a performance is where the rubber meets the road. And that's a function of both the person hitting the drums and the piece of gear encoding it all. Latency. Being able to use the (how should I put this) aggregated rig in a system that is analog based. Without latency that makes it simply not work. In other words, as an external instrument. Certainly you can understand this?
The V-drum brain was a Roland. That's supposed to be good, yes?
It did not work. It could not integrate ino an analog recording system. The latency was not merely annoying, it was ridiculous.
BTW, if you really want to continue these personal attacks I suggest that we take it to PM, so as to not bother other members.
Or just cool it. Not everybody agrees with you. I know that not everybody agrees with me. Nobody ever said they had to.
Personal attacks? Where? I was being direct in my questions for sure but I don’t know where you get ‘personal attacks’ from. I guess my faux dialog sarcasm may have come across too biting. If so I apologize. I certainly didn’t intend any of it to be interpreted as ‘attacks’. That being said, you can be a cantankerous son of a gun, John. You dish it out on a daily basis. If getting a little back gets your hackles up it might be time to thicken the skin a little. Re: latency, I get that. I can’t deal with latency. In order to monitor SD3 satisfyingly I’d need to be running my DAW at 32 or 64 samples and my system won’t do that. I monitor the onboard Roland sounds for getting the performance (so no latency) and then go do what I want in SD3 to get whatever sounds I want. It’s not ideal, I’d rather monitor SD3 sounds. I plan on designing my next audio machine around being able to do that.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Nov 16, 2019 22:50:02 GMT -6
Have you messed with SSD5? Used them on a song I just finished mixing and it was the first time I forgot they were not live drums. I have a physical drum kit. It makes it MUCH easier to get a live drummer to come over. I prefer that too. Not the point.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Nov 16, 2019 23:00:56 GMT -6
The GUI is not even close to awesome. I'm not a DAW fan, but Reaper's GUI is no less comprehensible than any other I've seen and a good deal less incomprehensible than many.
I still hate mixing in a GUI. That's why I own a console.
Reaper's GUI is far from something like Pro Tools. And, when you want to make it even more frustrating, download a "theme" and watch buttons disappear.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 16, 2019 23:03:09 GMT -6
Latency. Being able to use the (how should I put this) aggregated rig in a system that is analog based. Without latency that makes it simply not work. In other words, as an external instrument. Certainly you can understand this?
The V-drum brain was a Roland. That's supposed to be good, yes?
It did not work. It could not integrate ino an analog recording system. The latency was not merely annoying, it was ridiculous.
BTW, if you really want to continue these personal attacks I suggest that we take it to PM, so as to not bother other members.
Or just cool it. Not everybody agrees with you. I know that not everybody agrees with me. Nobody ever said they had to.
Personal attacks? Where? I was being direct in my questions for sure but I don’t know where you get ‘personal attacks’ from. I guess my faux dialog sarcasm may have come across too biting. If so I apologize. I certainly didn’t intend any of it to be interpreted as ‘attacks’. That being said, you can be a cantankerous son of a gun, John. You dish it out on a daily basis. If getting a little back gets your hackles up it might be time to thicken the skin a little. Re: latency, I get that. I can’t deal with latency. In order to monitor SD3 satisfyingly I’d need to be running my DAW at 32 or 64 samples and my system won’t do that. I monitor the onboard Roland sounds for getting the performance (so no latency) and then go do what I want in SD3 to get whatever sounds I want. It’s not ideal, I’d rather monitor SD3 sounds. I plan on designing my next audio machine around being able to do that. S'OK, I have the same problem with my humor.
MEEE? canTANKerous? Whatever would give you that idea?
Hackles? Nah, my hair's too long - even the demon in The Exorcist couldn't make them stand up.
I was trying to get my electric drums to work for low volume live playing back when I lived in a room in an SRO with neighbors who complained about my TV at a low conversational level.
My sleep aids are beginning to kick in - let's postpone this before I say something idiotic!
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Post by woofhead on Nov 17, 2019 11:00:09 GMT -6
Now there's an idea for a BF deal- Sleep aids! I know I could use some of those
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Post by chessparov on Nov 17, 2019 11:03:31 GMT -6
FWIW if/when I ever use Reaper, it'd be for very simple multitrack recording.
I do appreciate the comments, from "both sides" here though. In addition, the support available from their Forum, and was impressed by the couple of Kenny Gioa videos I watched. Chris
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 17, 2019 11:43:39 GMT -6
Been waiting to grab the Bob Weir acoustic preamp, which just went 60% off at SW - so that one's been answered. Wow! I didn’t even know that this existed and I’ve been looking for exactly this. I want to use a DPA 4060 and a pickup at the same time, and could find nothing at a reasonable cost that would power the mic and blend it.
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Post by Coil Audio on Nov 17, 2019 12:00:36 GMT -6
If Front End has that same Coil Audio deal as they did last year, that’ll be hard to pass up. Either another CA-70 or the 286 would be sweet, though I don’t need either. Hey RGO gang - We will be doing a similar deal this year - BF thru CM.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 17, 2019 12:22:54 GMT -6
If Front End has that same Coil Audio deal as they did last year, that’ll be hard to pass up. Either another CA-70 or the 286 would be sweet, though I don’t need either. Hey RGO gang - We will be doing a similar deal this year - BF thru CM. Would you say the 286 is similar in topology to the V72? Wondering if a second CA70 would be more beneficial (mainly for running stereo tracks during mixing), or adding a single 286 to my CA70. I have a Tab-Funkenwork V72S, so I have that sound covered.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 17, 2019 13:23:12 GMT -6
Been waiting to grab the Bob Weir acoustic preamp, which just went 60% off at SW - so that one's been answered. I predict that unit will be Dead upon arrival! Chris
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Post by m03 on Nov 17, 2019 13:44:34 GMT -6
Back on topic, nothing exciting, but my potential list software-wise:
AudioThing Springs IK Tape Machine Collection Fuse Audio Lab VCL-4 and VCL-25A
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Post by Guitar on Nov 17, 2019 13:47:47 GMT -6
Back on topic, nothing exciting, but my potential list software-wise: AudioThing Springs IK Tape Machine Collection Fuse Audio Lab VCL-4 and VCL-25A Be aware that the IK tape machines use a massive amount of CPU. They sound good, but I was unable to use one on a recent mix because of this issue.
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Post by Coil Audio on Nov 17, 2019 18:41:01 GMT -6
Hey RGO gang - We will be doing a similar deal this year - BF thru CM. Would you say the 286 is similar in topology to the V72? Wondering if a second CA70 would be more beneficial (mainly for running stereo tracks during mixing), or adding a single 286 to my CA70. I have a Tab-Funkenwork V72S, so I have that sound covered. It is very different. A CA-286 would very much compliment your CA-70. You would be very happy. Ultimate vocal chain? Free Tube De-Essing?
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