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Post by adamjbrass on Aug 26, 2019 8:35:09 GMT -6
I had the same exact experience with those. I was thinking, why is there absolutely no headroom in this device? I would never want to deploy something like that in a session, unless I wanted a hairy sound. Because they are 'exact' recreations, and they don't have any headroom relative to modern thinking. They aren't meant to be used as standalone preamps driving high level AD inputs, they are rated at +6dBm with +14dBm being gross distortion. Many old circuits like this require an adjustment to the working methods used at the time, and if you are unwilling to explore that, they aren't for you. The easy answer is print much lower than you normally would, and add gain afterwards. Or use compressor make up gain if you are tracking with it. Same old thing: gain staging. I would rather use my Fearn's. They are +30 headroom over 0VU. A real good design. If i need any more than that, I reach for the BA-660, which has the most headroom out of all my gear. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 26, 2019 9:21:59 GMT -6
Because they are 'exact' recreations, and they don't have any headroom relative to modern thinking. They aren't meant to be used as standalone preamps driving high level AD inputs, they are rated at +6dBm with +14dBm being gross distortion. Many old circuits like this require an adjustment to the working methods used at the time, and if you are unwilling to explore that, they aren't for you. The easy answer is print much lower than you normally would, and add gain afterwards. Or use compressor make up gain if you are tracking with it. Same old thing: gain staging. I would rather use my Fearn's. They are +30 headroom over 0VU. A real good design. If i need any more than that, I reach for the BA-660, which has the most headroom out of all my gear. Question might be, how do you get on with the Coil CA-70? Also low headroom, as far as maximum output goes. It works differently than a REDD47, so there may be more apparent input stage headroom. But also soft distortion versus hard. |
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Post by jamiesego on Aug 26, 2019 10:50:55 GMT -6
Hmmm . . . I bought one of the last ones Front End Audio were selling off. Maybe the latter day ones were better and there were some circuit or transformer changes? That could make a big difference! I had one of the first ones off the line. Straight from Dizengoff. I remember he mentioned something about changing the transformers out for me so maybe the design was still being finalized. I never did get them changed out..... At this point pretty happy with my Ampex MX-10, Colins 212Y then the Electric&Company stuff rocks. 6072 with UTCs and his Stereo 6 with vintage Ampex Transformers. My 'distortion boxes' are 2 Military grade Viewlex preamps meant for projectors loaded with original RCA tubes. (i think also sold as western electric and others) Talk about low headroom. But wow, mic up a drum kit with a single dynamic in the right spot....eq some mids out, and theres an awesome drum sound! Electric & Co is killer! I would love to hear your thoughts on the 6072 vs the MX10. I’ve wanted to try an MX10 for ages but they’re hard to find for decent prices. I have one of his modded stereo 601’s and I’ve wondered if that was in the ballpark. |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2019 11:33:02 GMT -6
Don't worry guys, I've got the solution! Adam and John E. should "team up" and use the most effective marketing known to Man... (MIDI drumroll please) Why it's the all new Time Life series of Real Gear TV Commercials!! (Adam & John will require matching SSL sweaters BTW) Or would "Top Brass" be a better concept? Either way, with Adam connecting with all that Cyber-Street Cred and John's straight talkn' Baby Boom'n approach.... Shoot, this could be one heck of a Reality sitcom! Chris Depends how much I’m getting paid, because i’d likely go insane working with him. Actually, probably not - I'm a lot more easy going in person. Dunno about the sweater bit though - some T-shirts like the old Mercenary shirts would ne nice. |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2019 11:41:57 GMT -6
I found out about the CAPI DI and mic blend boxes from Instagram. Went to their website and they have all the pertinent info on it. There is room for both ways John. Jeff has a great informational website and puts up cool stuff on face page and insta. Just because Dizengoff’s webpage isn’t great doesn’t automatically discredit any and all use of social media marketing. Just try to look through the lens of somebody that’s never seen a tape machine, doesn’t care about tape machines, and wouldn’t want a console of any type in their room. You aren’t exactly the prime candidate they are trying to reach. I get that it can be frustrating, but I think we al pretty much get your point. I don't have anything against advertising on social media if you have a decent website to back it up with hard information. It's the reliance on social media to the exclusion of all else that strikes me as being terminally stupid.
It's not that Dizengoff's website "isn't great" - it's that the site has no real content about the products whatsoever. As far as I know people who work mainly ITB still want to know the basic facts about products they're interested in before comitting hard cash to a purchase. The absence of that on their website - which should be the central organ of their sales - presents a HUGE red flag. It tells me that they're not really interested in the professional market. Either that or that they simply don't have their sh!t together. Neither one is a good sign.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2019 11:50:32 GMT -6
You guys realize that Dizengoff doesn't even have products in production yet right? From what I can tell, they've given up on their old products, closed the company completely for a while, and are looking to launch some new 500 series products that are yet to be in production. They probably don't have specs or info posted on their website yet because they're still in the prototype stage. So my impression that it's all a bunch of vaporware is correct?
I guess that the people running the company are too young to remember the example of Osborne Computerr back in the '80s. Osborne was a pioneering manufacturer of portable computers - they pretty much had a corner on the market - that comitted "suicide by vaporware" by heavily publicising an advanced new model long before they were ready to go into production. This killed all their present sales and people got tired of waiting for the new machines and went elsewhere, killing the company.
Vaporware is a very bad business strategy.
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Post by soundintheround on Aug 26, 2019 12:02:59 GMT -6
This thread has gotten a little out of control if you ask me. Can only imagine Matt coming here and being like wtf lol They do have some info up on their site: www.dizengoffaudio.com/shop-1Not everyone directly sells their stuff and sometimes it is really up to the distributor to market and inform the buyers. Not the dude designing it. He’s actually the guys from Black Lion Audio and been around for a bit. I don’t think he is vaporware. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 26, 2019 12:03:25 GMT -6
Kidding aside, a YouTube Channel with Adam & John E. would probably be a Hit! Adam could be the sharp guy, who lives on the edge of town. John E. the gruff guy, with a "heart of gold". Hey there's the theme song!  Chris |
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Post by soundintheround on Aug 26, 2019 12:05:00 GMT -6
Kidding aside, a YouTube Channel with Adam & John E. would probably be a Hit! Adam could be the sharp guy, who lives on the edge of town. John E. the gruff guy, with a "heart of gold". Hey there's the theme song! Chris I’d watch it! |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 26, 2019 12:06:46 GMT -6
Keeps me search'n for a part of gold.
Chris
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 26, 2019 12:52:47 GMT -6
You guys realize that Dizengoff doesn't even have products in production yet right? From what I can tell, they've given up on their old products, closed the company completely for a while, and are looking to launch some new 500 series products that are yet to be in production. They probably don't have specs or info posted on their website yet because they're still in the prototype stage. So my impression that it's all a bunch of vaporware is correct?
I guess that the people running the company are too young to remember the example of Osborne Computerr back in the '80s. Osborne was a pioneering manufacturer of portable computers - they pretty much had a corner on the market - that comitted "suicide by vaporware" by heavily publicising an advanced new model long before they were ready to go into production. This killed all their present sales and people got tired of waiting for the new machines and went elsewhere, killing the company.
Vaporware is a very bad business strategy.
No. Why would it be vaporware? They had a few products a few years ago and a number of members here own some of those products. The company seemingly went out of business and is now beginning a relaunch with the upcoming 500 series products. They're not taking preorders and not delivering or anything (like some other companies). |
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Post by adamjbrass on Aug 26, 2019 13:34:38 GMT -6
I would rather use my Fearn's. They are +30 headroom over 0VU. A real good design. If i need any more than that, I reach for the BA-660, which has the most headroom out of all my gear. Question might be, how do you get on with the Coil CA-70? Also low headroom, as far as maximum output goes. It works differently than a REDD47, so there may be more apparent input stage headroom. But also soft distortion versus hard. The Coil's had far more headroom than the D4's. At least in my experience. I used those Coils in a lot of places. I thought the D4 was totally unusable. And not from a "Digital Audio Level" compatability sense either. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2019 13:37:20 GMT -6
 a new mike up on fb and Instagram. |
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Post by adamjbrass on Aug 26, 2019 13:38:57 GMT -6
Depends how much I’m getting paid, because i’d likely go insane working with him. Actually, probably not - I'm a lot more easy going in person. Dunno about the sweater bit though - some T-shirts like the old Mercenary shirts would ne nice Well, when you put it like that.....After working with Fletcher, anything seems possible......But why would you want to?? unless you like punishing yourself. I did, at the time.
I'd wear my Mercenary Sweat Shirt. It reads "Staff, get the fuck out of my way"......
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Post by chessparov on Aug 26, 2019 13:51:25 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2019 14:07:34 GMT -6
So my impression that it's all a bunch of vaporware is correct?
I guess that the people running the company are too young to remember the example of Osborne Computerr back in the '80s. Osborne was a pioneering manufacturer of portable computers - they pretty much had a corner on the market - that comitted "suicide by vaporware" by heavily publicising an advanced new model long before they were ready to go into production. This killed all their present sales and people got tired of waiting for the new machines and went elsewhere, killing the company.
Vaporware is a very bad business strategy.
No. Why would it be vaporware? They had a few products a few years ago and a number of members here own some of those products. The company seemingly went out of business and is now beginning a relaunch with the upcoming 500 series products. They're not taking preorders and not delivering or anything (like some other companies). Vaporware is when a company makes product announcements to stir up customer interest when they don't actually have anything to back it up. Maybe (like Osborne Computer) they have something in development, but it's nowhere near ready for a public release. Everybody gets all worked up in anticipation, but when nothing of substance materializes the company loses credibility.
That's why it's vaporware.
The fact that the company already went out of business once and is trying to make a comeback only exacerbates the situation.
They would have done much better to keep things under wraps until they had at least one new product ready to market, or at least to demo. THAT would give them credibility.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2019 14:11:32 GMT -6
a new mike up on fb and Instagram. Do you REALLY want me to pick apart all the BS in that "product announcement"? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2019 14:13:29 GMT -6
Actually, no. I just posted it as I saw it on Facebook and it would seem to offset some of the negative comments above.
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Post by schmalzy on Sept 27, 2019 14:36:06 GMT -6
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Post by forgotteng on Oct 1, 2019 9:48:52 GMT -6
Anybody have any info on the LD1948 mic? It seems intriguing.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Oct 2, 2019 13:24:37 GMT -6
Anybody have any info on the LD1948 mic? It seems intriguing. I know its not the only factor but the capsule is fairly anonymous (Transsound 2555). Seems like the other components are excellent. |
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Post by theglow on Jan 29, 2020 13:30:10 GMT -6
Hey, all! So I just got a Dizengoff Type 140 today and have been running some stuff through it, and I’ve gotta say I’m really, REALLY impressed by it! Sounds more like a proper plate than any plugin I’ve come across, so there’s that... Anyway, I took the liberty of bouncing a few samples for y’all. The vocal clip is presented dry, then with the reverb A, B, and C settings (with the controls all set at 12 o’clock), followed by the shortest decay, then longest, then a (very rough) mock-up of how it would sound in the mix. The vocal was double tracked, but other than the reverb there is no further processing on these. Type 140 Tests
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 13:37:42 GMT -6
Hey, all! So I just got a Dizengoff Type 140 today and have been running some stuff through it, and I’ve gotta say I’m really, REALLY impressed by it! Sounds more like a proper plate than any plugin I’ve come across, so there’s that... Anyway, I took the liberty of bouncing a few samples for y’all. The vocal clip is presented dry, then with the reverb A, B, and C settings (with the controls all set at 12 o’clock), followed by the shortest decay, then longest, then a (very rough) mock-up of how it would sound in the mix. The vocal was double tracked, but other than the reverb there is no further processing on these. Type 140 Tests
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Post by theglow on Jan 31, 2020 9:28:55 GMT -6
Hey, all! So I just got a Dizengoff Type 140 today and have been running some stuff through it, and I’ve gotta say I’m really, REALLY impressed by it! Sounds more like a proper plate than any plugin I’ve come across, so there’s that... Anyway, I took the liberty of bouncing a few samples for y’all. The vocal clip is presented dry, then with the reverb A, B, and C settings (with the controls all set at 12 o’clock), followed by the shortest decay, then longest, then a (very rough) mock-up of how it would sound in the mix. The vocal was double tracked, but other than the reverb there is no further processing on these. Type 140 Tests
Any chance you've compared to the UAD 140? I’ve only compared it to Little Plate and the Arturia Rev-Plate; both great, but the Dizengoff sounded more legit. Perhaps someone can run the ‘DRY’ clip I provided through the UAD? |
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Post by javamad on Feb 1, 2020 8:10:18 GMT -6
Ask and you shall receive  I ran the original dry through 4 UA 140 plate presets labelled accordingly. I included the original files too so you don't have to go around mixing folders :-) Bear in mind my set up is hybrid and the simplest thing for me is to just bounce through my summer, dry in one channel and reverb in the other. I don't expect its changing much though. I do think I mixed wetter perhaps than the other versions, sorry. Dizengoff-with-UA |
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