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Post by mrholmes on Oct 11, 2021 11:37:33 GMT -6
It never leaves the vocal chain.
Svart is the 1176 still one of the fastest compressors? My impression is it's almost fast on every setting....
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 10, 2021 17:16:22 GMT -6
Hopefully i'll find a compressor I love some day. Maybe a Tube Tech CL1B or the Stam Child 660, but they're out of reach for me right now. To bring in a Buddhist idea.... I made the decision to fully concentrate on the output with the gear that I have. There will always be something that is more fancy, more shiny etc. Making the vision happen … here and now. This idea helps me to go back to the songs... I also use 30 minute block time blocks in my schedule with exact descriptions what to do... what’s the goal. Helps me to stay on task....
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 10, 2021 8:47:57 GMT -6
For me, it somewhat depends on the year. It's been a little while since I've owned any 1176 hardware, and try as nearly every developer has, I still don't think anyone has nailed it in software. So it definitely hasn't been a given to use an 1176 over here for a good while now. When I have the hardware, it touches the LV maybe 60-70% of the time.
But if I'm tracking myself, I prefer an LA-2A on the way in, anyway. Fewer variables to distract my mind from the performance. Hoping to get an Audioscape 76 variant at some point, but lately I keep buying Rickenbackers instead. Depending on the source material the PAMC77 or the BRA76 reacts and sounds a lot like my hardware 76s. Like someone said, they pin the transients down....
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 10, 2021 0:39:29 GMT -6
I'm still waiting for a plugin that can make the same "feels like art" effect as running a mix through my Otari with Ampex 406... I imagine some day it will be possible but... Suffice to say, there are reasons I will keep at least some pieces of gear around. Because they sound great and I can't find a digital version. Back to Q clone, I think it's a useful tool though for certain EQ curves I may like from hardware.
I may find it again on YT. There was an ABX test between the UAD plug in and the real tape machine. In blind AB I picked the plug in as the one supporting the music the most. It made the beat breath; it gave a nice sheen to the top end without sounding bad; the head bump was exactly what was needed for the song.... Yes I know many factors play role… But the video showed one more time that music is totally subjective. Blind ABX is a nice game to exclude my own wishful thinking.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 9, 2021 23:44:46 GMT -6
I tried it, but the 1176 always sounded like using the tone controls on a Fender amp to me. I use LA2A style compressors when I do vocals. I prefer 1176's on acoustic guitars, it tucks them into the track better than anything else I've tried. Oh, welcome to the forum deif! One of the most interesting posts ever. I hate 1176 and other hw comps on acoustics. I prefer a plug in, a free one named Buttercomp by Airwindows.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 9, 2021 18:31:04 GMT -6
It's here, the Warm Audio Sony C-800 clone. Sound on sound gave it a positive review, is it worth a look? Yeah - that vocal at around 2:05 is really, really nice. Impressive. One thing is sure, the sun shines bright in Chicago’s tracking facilities …
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 9, 2021 14:43:04 GMT -6
I would say in 9 of 10 cases I fall back on the 1176 for LV. Every time I swear to use something different, but in the end it's 1176. I think It's too fast for a slow song, but every LV has some fast transients.
To my surprise, I have the impression the 1176 is a little depended on his feed? It's a feedback compressor ? - Jesus, I should know this but - grrr...
Keen to know which tool you guys love for LVs most often....
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 9, 2021 11:34:13 GMT -6
Now, I would be curious if waves would make a q-clone plugin that works on frequency response, harmonic distortion and compression curves in one. Hmmmm.Then you get into Kemper territory where ethics are somewhat in question. From what I understand, this is the basic premise behind how Acustica plugins work. They use a convolution-based process (i.e. impulse responses) that extracts the frequency, phase, and harmonic content of a specific setting on a piece of gear, and then go through the same process for every possible setting and/or combination of settings. But even then, the Acustica stuff isn't always bang-on, either. I'm not sure plugins will ever get there 100%, but maybe we don't need them to.
I am not sure, but I have the impression that plug ins can do the trick.
The developer needs to push the boundaries.
I think these brands push it to see how close they get,
UAD FLA BRA PA (Not all plugs) DDMF
TDL Overloud
On the other hand some hardware is cool too. I may invest in an SSL fusion as soon my business is covering up more from the losses we did during the high of the pandemic.
IMO - It all comes down to a good compromise.... Everyone needs to find his own way....
Everybody is different...
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 8, 2021 13:17:53 GMT -6
BTW: I like the THU amp sims even Dr. Bill likes them, and he is super picky... THU Rig Player is a Game changer in Amp Simulation, its similar to the Kemper Profiles...
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 8, 2021 13:09:57 GMT -6
Any one have a fav or must have Overloud plug? I got a 25% off coupon for next 7 days. dan
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 7, 2021 19:57:40 GMT -6
I have an M1 min (16/500) and an M1 Air (8/500) and incredibly, can run Logic x on either. The mini can certainly handle a bit more (I use a fair amount of Nebula when mixing) but both beat the pants off of my 2012 i7 iMac and my 2015 MacBook Pro, which both decided to fail within a month of each other (otherwise, I had not planned on switching everything). At this point, the only real pain in the ass is IZotope is not compatible yet. I really miss RX. I write them every time they email me a new upgrade offer, but no luck yet. Otherwise the M1 experience has been pretty fantastic. I am also on the fence mini 8 or 16. Would you be so kind to run the new Logic X benchmark test on both, please. I am keen to know at which track count the CPUs strikes..... music-prod.com/logic-pro-x-benchmarks/
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 6, 2021 17:44:05 GMT -6
Actually interesting, seems like its his own creations. Will try his free saturation plug tomorrow. Adding side harmonics like with some hardware by the nature of the process is possible. Yes I know some other plug ins do this already and I can build a side saturation matrix with my daws aux strips. www.tbproaudio.de/products/Keen to know how it sounds. Will find some spare time on the weekend …
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 4, 2021 9:43:18 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 4, 2021 0:58:04 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 4, 2021 0:18:37 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 3, 2021 16:39:48 GMT -6
There's a thread somewhere on here that goes into a lot of detail. The short story is that I like a 32" 2k monitor. 4k pixel pitch is just too small for font, even sitting a few inches away. Pixel interpolation, aka: enlarging, is iffy. Usually you get fuzzy looking lines with the native anti aliasing or you get jagged lines without it. 2k and 32" about 1.5' away gives me the best clean lines and readability that I've found without the pixels being noticable. You just addressed a key concern I have about 4k, thank you! My brain have a hard time with the concept of touchscreen mixing.. I don't know. I did try and I don’t regret it. Sure it has cons but at the same time many many pros as well..
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 3, 2021 9:44:26 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 1, 2021 3:17:29 GMT -6
The AA plug is louder. Hence the 3d. Just listend on my not so great BT cans but I heard differences too. Thats why I ask in the first post is it precise level matched...so its not. I always use logics tone generator to level match the in and output...
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 30, 2021 16:47:29 GMT -6
I've tried a limited number of Acustica plugins, but they all had that preamp (distortion) feature that adds harmonics to the content. In some cases this isn't equal to the original gear at all, which is what UAD claims they strive for. But that really doesn't matter. What matters is if you like how it sounds or not. But just know that features like those make your chain comparison not apples to apples. I've never claimed to have spectacular ears, but I heard nothing in those that made me happier or disappointed. I do think a blind A B test would be worthwhile if you really want to know what's satisfying in the long run. Glad you found what works for you. Couldn’t agree more they all soounded good and very similar to me. The UAD was a tat lower in level, or may hyped different frequencies more? I had this myself you can go down a rabit hole about this nuances -I hear the gras grow- stuff... But it has nothing to do with making a decision to get the song done. Use the one you like the most and move forward... Clarirfy your impression in a blind test, when it fades away you know it wasn’t UAD, it was your subconscious mind....
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 30, 2021 10:25:32 GMT -6
Sounds like time for some blind A B tests!
Would have been my next statement.
Extremely precise level matching with test tones and then blind ABX. And voilà most of the differences fade away, at least this is my expereince. Many differences are made up by our brain, special when we were the ones who set the whole testing up....
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 29, 2021 19:13:16 GMT -6
And you are sure that you level matched your AB testing close to perfection?
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 28, 2021 18:36:47 GMT -6
LogicX channel EQ in Oversampling mode. SSL Brainworx G and E. Sometimes I use the free STL Pultec. I have to admit for gods sake of the quality I will reanimate my Waves SSL bundle soon. The compressors are just like the ones I know from a friends 4k. If I remember right the G had a smoother top end compared to the brainworxs... But hey those consoles are extremely old ... my guesswork is, they are all different?
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 27, 2021 15:28:58 GMT -6
Prior to the early 2000s, Apple trounced Intel with its real-time operating system (prior to system X) combined with IBM's Power PC RISC architecture. I'll never forget the look on an Intel VP's face when we demonstrated this fact at a Stanford MUSIG meeting. A few years later, Intel came back and trounced Apple. Apple was literally looking at losing Avid and Adobe, among other developers, along with most of their celebrity users who had played a big role in Apple's image. They had no choice but to cut a deal with Intel. They also acquired what became Final Cut and Logic. I suspect this move to new CPUs has been in the works for many years. The performance just needed to be capable of motivating developers to stay on board. You are right I had forgotten that Logic was made by Emagic a German company. Apple bought this company in 2000...
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 27, 2021 7:02:40 GMT -6
Klanghelm and Black Rooster are worth to mention too. I bet there are others we don't see on our radar.
Uhe Presswerk, DDMF Magic Death Eye are very good too. Sound Radix stuff is cool too but imposes its own dynamics on the performance like Oxford Dynamics digging in, but it’s more controlled.
Yes remember Oxford Dynamics from the past liking it a lot, but they were extremely expensive back in the days, missed the sell right now, but is on my list. The waves SSL strip compressors sounded a lot like the real thing, but then came WUP, and they stopped to work.
The SSL 4k EQ and the Oxford EQ are based on the same idea... Right?
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 27, 2021 5:43:32 GMT -6
There's a lot more good outboard non linear gear. Most ITB dynamics plugins feel like they are a total disrespect to the recorded audio with side chains doing god knows what. The big exception are the Tokyo Dawn plugs. Almost everything else on fast attack feels like it has some aliased sidechain where the fast attack physically can't work or the peaks are missing from it. It's super gross. Some other exceptions are some of the Fuse plugs but honestly, most digital dynamics are terrible and dysfunctional. I own a ton of them. Almost all bad or they barely do anything and sound bad or forced if you try to make them do something.
Klanghelm and Black Rooster are worth to mention too. I bet there are others we don't see on our radar.
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